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2ci vs 2ce (from a recreational point of view)

2ci is in general more recreational, in my experience (and sadly 100% illegal on the continent).

however, i went out clubbing on 12mg of 2ce three weekends ago and had a great time. this past weekend i went out on 14mg and was not as functional as i would have liked (particularly after hitting a spliff). I had fun, but i feel a similar dose of 2ci would have been more fun.

I think there is definitely a cut off point on both substances below which the euphoria and fun aspects dominate and you can be quite social and above which the psychedelic and introspective aspects begin to dominate and social interaction is difficult.
 
For those who got 2c-i headaches.. did you try drinking water while tripping.. exercising... and actuyally eating food on the comedown after a few tokes? I never got headaches, just couldnt sleep that easy..
 
The heachaches are the main reason I don't use 2C-I that often. I agree with others that it feels more toxic than many other unresearched synthetic phenethylamine-based psychedelics. It also seems to cause more lingering HPPD type effects for a few days after use (for me anyway).

One major advantage to 2C-I I forgot to mention was that I noticed in lighter doses 10-15mg, it has absolutely no effect on my pupils. I can be mildly tripping yet there would be no way for anybody to know by looking at me. This is a definite plus in recreational situations where non-trippers are present.
 
I have never gotten a headache from 2C-I, fortunately. Not sure why. I always smoke some cannabis during phenethylamine trips, and I drink some water but not a lot. Mostly I drink water before I go to bed. I also generally take some kratom before going to bed so I can sleep after 2C-I. perhaps that has something to do with the headaches not happening? Personally, I think I just don't get them with that substance, though.
 
just to provide alternate perspective here...

I plugged a small dose of 2C-E once (yes, in my butthole), and felt remarkably jovial and enthused. It wasn't particularly profound or compelling at all, and seemed to weaken or even completely lack many of the signature trademarks that make a larger dose so amazing, but overall I did have more fun than I've had on any dose of 2C-I.

I'm not saying I prefer it unconditionally, but the good time is definitely possible.

also, what's with all this 2C-I headache/toxicity talk? I've eaten it a fair few times and never had a complaint; I'm kinda surprised to hear people bring this up.
 
I've yet to try 2c-i, but i'm guessing it may be more recreational than 2c-e which can be preety involving mentally. I love 2c-e, but i couldn't do it too often. 2c-b and 2c-c are much more managable and a lot of fun! I've also heard that 2c-i can be a bit too heavy on the body feel side compared to 2c-b and c. my mate has tried both and he prefers 2c-b as well.
 
For me 2C-I has always seemed more speedy, emotional and "warm," while 2C-E seems more visual, mental and "cold." My vote goes to 2C-I for strictly recreational purposes.
 
I'm so curious now about low dose 2C-E. I had a bit of 2C-B today (24mg) and all I kept thinking was, this would be better if it were 2C-E. I bet 12mg would have gotten me to where 24mg of 2C-B does.
 
I think im pretty much decided on 2ci, do you think a little soma would take the edge off? Cause one thing i noticed with 2ci was muscle tightness and at higher doses it was too speedy. I feel like soma might counter those things without ending the experience the way xanax or valium might. This is of course only speculation as i have little to no knowledge as to how they would interact.
 
I can't imagine 2C-E as being recreational at any dose!! Even as low as 5mg I was faced with stone-cold seriousness.

2C-I has a good "safety blanket" entactogenic component I find. However, it tends to lose its magic after 3 or so uses for me and most people I talked to.
 
Well, for me recreational really just means I can take it and still manage to hike. I am sure at some level that would work...actually even though I found 16mg equal in every way to 250ug of LSD...I was still clear-headed enough to make a 7-mile hike around town.

2C-I never lost its magic for me, and I had it at least a dozen times. But the headache factor keeps me from going back. Too bad, I think I liked 2C-I far better than 2C-B.

Jamshyd said:
I can't imagine 2C-E as being recreational at any dose!! Even as low as 5mg I was faced with stone-cold seriousness.

2C-I has a good "safety blanket" entactogenic component I find. However, it tends to lose its magic after 3 or so uses for me and most people I talked to.
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I've had expirience w/ both 2c-e and 2c-i in social settings and wholeheartedly agree with everyone else who said 2c-i is the way to go. I did expirience a low dose 2-ce trip and all I felt was a nervous energy that didn't really grow into anything else. I did, however, find the move "RV" with Robin Williams fucking hilarious. I also had the impression that if I were to go to a party on 2c-e I'd give off "bad vibes" as the other people would definetly sense my discomfort an awkwardness. 2c-e is to much of a battle to deal with in social situations.

2c-i, however, was the complete opposite occured w/ 2c-i. I felt extremely euphoric (which remained constent throughout the night) and sociable. The visuals were mild but the mindspace and light body buzz was fantastic. The setting was absolutly perfect, a freind's BIG house which was completely open and stocked w/ fine hard alchohol. A few gin and tonics and screwdrivers went VERY well the 2c-i after it kicked in. People that visited the house seemed happy and comfortable during conversation, their was no social awkwardness or axiety.

Writing this post has brought back many good memories.
 
I've been attempting to test tolerance effects with 2c-i, and have effectively continued tripping for going on 60+ hours now, with 1-2 hour breaks inbetween starting a new trip. No tolerance appears to be present, and I feel like I'm SO close to breaking through and realizing something huge. Ive realized a lot, and have remembered what it was on my very spiritual 2c-e dose that I have blocked out (a good portion anyways).

2c-i is definitely the more recreational of the two. I feel really no body load other than muscle tightness or occasionally wanting to grind my teeth, but that's nothing that gum can't solve. It's also very malleable. I can have fun and enjoy my company, or I can be completely introspective and make life shattering realizations about the world, or I can just watch as lines in the wallpaper rotate or the grain in the oak drips.
 
Oh man! I don't understand how people trip for "60+ hours"! I would have died by now!

MGS: You do have a point. I agree that 2C-E is actually one of the least "impairing" of the 2Cs - right after 2C-D. 2C-I can be quite impairing, in that I would have difficulty navigating my way or talking to others during the peak.

Btw, I actually had you in mind as one of the people whom I thought mentioned a loss of magic with 2C-I. I recall you posting something about 2C-I being limited somehow. However, the few times it was useful, it was undoubtfully a wonderful and very insightful psychedelic.
 
I might have said something to that extent, but really it was just a matter of that in the beginning I had access to 2C-T-7, 2C-T-2, and then 2C-I. Then a few years later, the Gods rewarded me with 2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-D, etc. At that point, I saw no reason to use a material that caused me severe headaches when there were others around that did not. However, 2C-I certainly never became any less profound. My last 2C-I experience was quite a day to remember…myself, girlfriend, and two best friends all on a night out on the town, enjoying the river and shore, and other assorted places in the park. Beautiful day indeed.

Jamshyd said:
Oh man! I don't understand how people trip for "60+ hours"! I would have died by now!

MGS: You do have a point. I agree that 2C-E is actually one of the least "impairing" of the 2Cs - right after 2C-D. 2C-I can be quite impairing, in that I would have difficulty navigating my way or talking to others during the peak.

Btw, I actually had you in mind as one of the people whom I thought mentioned a loss of magic with 2C-I. I recall you posting something about 2C-I being limited somehow. However, the few times it was useful, it was undoubtfully a wonderful and very insightful psychedelic.
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recreational 2c-i is a better choice but I still think 2c-i is pretty vile, I used to live in an area where someone sold grams of it to anyone who wanted it and I saw the wreck 2c-i can play on people who use it recreationaly. The same aspects I hated about it people found enjoyment out of it, so go figure.

personaly I would look towards another class of chemicals for recreational fun and just never touch 2c-i. but thats just me.
 
Jamshyd: It's really quite nice, especially when I feel so close to the break-through. The only down-side is the muscle tightness and the stiffening in my joints.

I think I've concluded the cause of the headaches so many people experience on 2c-i. I was playing raquetball last night as I usually do 3-4x a week, and I got hit with a ball at point blank range, and I became incredibly irate at the asshole who took the shot instead of calling interference. I was so incredibly enraged, I felt all my veins puff outward, and I felt my body begin to get warmer as I turned red. I think I was very close to having a serious problem from this.

I think 2c-i must cause some sort of vaso-dilation or more likely constriction. I think this would explain the headaches some people get as the blood vessels in their head could become so constricted or dilated the blood flow is causing them pain. This would also coincide with my rage at another player (granted I shouldn't have been playing/exercising while on 2c-i...)

If it matters, I have a very extensive family history of hypertension, so perhaps this is the underlying cause, but I did not receive any headaches any of my times with 2c-i.
 
2C-I is by far the best for recreation. A low dose of 2C-I, maybe 15-20mg is perfect for me. It's pleasantly stimulating, just like taking an adderall, very energetic and confident. It's so euphoric, by far the most euphoric psychedelic I've ever taken. The smile never leaves my face, and my face muscles hurt so bad after the trip! The visuals are nothing overwhelming, except for the tracers, which are OUTSTANDING!!! A great PEA.

2C-E, however... Even small doses induce mild to strong schizophrenia-like symptoms lasting 3-10 days... I don't understand why, but it makes me paranoid, having terrible thoughts rushing into my head about all kinds of horrific things happening, questioning everyone and everything. It's terrifying! I thought it was a fluke once, but then I took it again and it happened again. :(
 
I have to agree with the majority of the posters 2ce is way more deep and powerful. I would never take it anywhwere besides nature or the comfort of my home. Of courrse don't even think about driving on either.
 
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