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2ci vs 2ce (from a recreational point of view)

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sherpa101

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Which one would you say has more recreational potential as opposed to serious enthoegenic potential. I know that 2ce is supposed to be deeper and have more visuals, and iv'e heard its a little unfriendly. I have tried 2ci, but not 2ce. On 2ci, my mind felt like it got far more logical and analytical, colors (especially shades of yellow) were enhanced. I felt pretty sped up, and I got persian-carpet type pattering on everything. No real spiritual breakthroughs or anything, no euphoria, no real dysphoria either. I did however come to the realization that there was someone I knew who i disliked and treated badly for no reason, and since then I have tried to be much more friendly to that person. So i guess its a kind of a breakthrough.

But back to my main question. If you could give an objective unbiased answer that would be great. Which one is more useful for recreation, especially with people around and the possibility of needing to appear sober.

I haven't tried 2ce, otherwise I would already know the answer to my question, but for anyone who has had both, I would love to hear your opinion.

PS. I am talking about lowish doses of each of these, just enough to feel the effects and have a good time.
 
2c-i.

With 2c-e on the come up I'm so afraid I'm going to vomit... even though I never do. I get incredibly paranoid during the come up, too.

When I'm actually on my plateau though, 2c-e is pretty amazing. I feel an incredible bond to those around me and I even get scared of those who I'm intimidated by.

2c-i never gave me anything nearly as powerful, so I'd definitely recommend it. :(
 
2C-I, definitely. I think there would be an almost complete consensus on this one.

Personally, I have found that 2C-B can be very recreational and serves a similar niche as 2C-I, except that it is much more visual, has less side effects and also enhances the sense of touch. It has elements that remind me of both MDMA and LSD. I don't think you will get any life changing insights or hyperspace breakthroughs with it (or 2C-I for that matter), but it somehow seems to seems to teach me something, and since the head space is much more grounded the insights although not always profound, can often be more practical.
 
2C-I, but then I have never explored the lower levels of 2C-E. That has been on my to-do list for some time. I get a quite a bit from +2 trips...in fact just as much as with a +3 in many cases.
 
^ Myron J. Stolaroff found lower levels of 2C-E to be very useful and therapeutic, but I wouldn't say 'recreational', although very low 5-8mg, could prove to be just as controllable and 'recreational' as 16-20mg of 2C-I, but perhaps more rewarding. This is an intriguing topic for future exploration, but on a mg for mg basis I think that it can be said objectively that the VAST majority of people would find 2C-I much more recreational.

To read the chapter on 2C-E from Stolaroff's "Thanatos to Eros" go here:
http://www.maps.org/t2e/c6.html
 
^ One of my absolute favorites books as well . It really opened my mind to different ways of using psychedelics, and that negative feelings and emotions that come up are not necessarily a bad thing to be suppressed and chased away, but something to work through and release which can then lead to a 'higher' state of baseline functioning.

I don't think anyone could read that chapter and not put exploration of 2C-E at lower levels on their 'to do list'. It's now certainly moved up on mine : )
 
Ive done 2ci several times, and I really liked it every time, and I also really liked how I could function essentially as a sober person.

Some of the things i read about 2ce that I thought I might like more than 2ci is that 2ce is not quite as stimulating, and it has better visuals.
I don't really care too much for the rest. After a generous amount of experimentation, I've come to realize that I don't like getting my mind totally twisted and fucked up, I just like drugs that are fun and leave me mostly in control.
 
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e1evene1even said:
2C-I, definitely. I think there would be an almost complete consensus on this one.

Personally, I have found that 2C-B can be very recreational and serves a similar niche as 2C-I, except that it is much more visual, has less side effects and also enhances the sense of touch. It has elements that remind me of both MDMA and LSD. I don't think you will get any life changing insights or hyperspace breakthroughs with it (or 2C-I for that matter), but it somehow seems to seems to teach me something, and since the head space is much more grounded the insights although not always profound, can often be more practical.
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Just our of curiosity, how would you say 2i compares to 2cb. I think 2cb is what I would really like, but as it is scheduled, it is kinda off my radar. Is there anything about 2ci thats better than 2cb?
 
I would say in my experience the biggest advantages of 2C-I vs 2C-B is that it lasts longer, seems slightly more engaging mentally and it appears to be more stimulating which can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on personal preferences. The fact that it is not explicitly scheduled is also an advantage.
 
Recreationally, 2C-I is my favorite of the 2C-X family. I like it because it's very warm and euphoric, but also very analytical. I can really get some good writing, thinking, and talking done on it. The first few times I used it, the come-up was uncomfortable as all hell, but over time I stopped getting anxiety-ridden come-ups and 2C-I is nothing to me but friendly and utile. It's good for music enhancement, too.

That being said, it leaves some sort of residue, it seems, that the other 2C-Xs don't. I feel like it's not good to do often, so I keep it to just very occasionally (not at any regular interval but just that I sometimes decide I'd like to take some out of the blue).

As for 2C-B, it's less psychedelic and more colorful and more physically relaxing (although I actually like 2C-I's body high better), but I prefer 2C-I because it does more for me mentally by a great deal. Plus it lasts longer by a lot.
 
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Trogdor said:
I've heard from someone else that 2c-i + 2c-e is better than both by themselves...
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This combo was total garbage for us. They canceled each other out. Yuk.:p
 
Xorkoth said:
I like it because it's very warm and euphoric, but also very analytical.
As for 2C-B, it's less psychedelic and more colorful and more physically relaxing (although I actually like 2C-I's body high better), but I prefer 2C-I because it does more for me mentally by a great deal. Plus it lasts longer by a lot.
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I would agree 100%. I actually had a number of very insightful and even profound experiences with 2C-I...especially @16mg. But those headaches....I could not deal with them. Shame too, as I felt 2c-I had a lot to offer...certainly more than 2C-B.
 
Xorkoth said:
That being said, it leaves some sort of residue, it seems, that the other 2C-Xs don't. I feel like it's not good to do often, so I keep it to just very occasionally (not at any regular interval but just that I sometimes decide I'd like to take some out of the blue).
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I was going through your post and was almost stunned (if i wasnt smoking so much hash=D ), that you didn't mention this, that is until you mentioned it :\

I wholeheartedly agree on this point...I've said it many times, and I'll say it again..There is something about 2C-I that just feels "wrong"...Like if I can feel the toxicity (which reports of this are mainly considered bullshit..nausia/cramping doesn't equate to toxicity)...but there is still something "different about "I" then with any of the other 2C-"X"s.

And it is DEFINATELY a RESIDUAL feeling like Xorkoth said. It's like, once the trip is over/winding down, you can feel cancer growing in your or something..and personally, at this point, the visuals take a turn more for the negative...i mean, they are nothing I can describe..but just how they feel...looking at them...it disturbs me. You definately get the "drained" feeling from 2C-I. There's no mushroom afterglow here folks.

Personally I find 2C-C to be the best all around recreational 2C-"X" substance out there. It feels so damn euphoric, at times I thought it was laced with MDMA/MDA. And for me at least, it's not speedy AT ALL, but nice, chilled, and "layed back".

Anyways though, to answer the original question in mind, I would definately go with 2C-I, but if I were in your shoes, I'd see how experimenting with low doses of 2C-E works out..because if that turned out better/more rewarding/or just "better", many would obviously opt for it.

Then again, we all have different body chemistries, different perceptions, ethics, desires/tastes, "more of a drive to (lose the ego) everytime"/as much as possible. So I guess I'll shut it now and go smoke some more bubble hash.
 
2c-i can be easy and fun, but many times I've ended up doing hours and hours of introspection. So it has potential for both. It's the lightest and easiest of the psychedelics I've experienced, though I don't have experience with 2c-c.
2c-e no experience either yet, but don't see it being very easy from what I've read.
 
Maybe it was just the dose, but I found 2CE to have a very 'social' feeling to it for me. On my 1st trip - even though I stayed home, I very much had the urge to go out, dance, socialize, etc.

On my 2nd trip - higher dose, I went out to a club and found it very easy to interact with other people, didnt feel 'too high to function', music sounded great and some nice visuals.

2CE has a very 'sober' feeling to it - not to say that you dont get into a psychedelic headspace at all, its just a bit more detached and logical and not as emotional (for me at least), as a hefty LSD or Mushroom dose. It was like a 'logical detachment from emotional problems in my life' - a feeling of sobirety that allowed me to delve into problems without getting emotionally attached to them - and making it easy to bounce around from 'introspective mode' to 'omg, this music is so good I must go dance' mode.

However, it can be tricky to dose - unless your doing it rectally, the comeup will leave you feeling like you have a flu and afraid that your about to vomit, and the comedown gave me about a 1hr period of feeling like I was really doing some damage to my head which is making me reluctant to try it again any time soon, if at all.
 
for me small dosages of 2ce (15-18mgs) seem more recreational. Im 99% sure I havent eaten less than 20mgs of 2ci so im not too sure how smaller doses feel.

2cb is my personal favorite 2c compund for recreational use and if not trying be be balls ass trippin...
 
2c-i

2c-e is too deep for me to go out and have a fun time on, but, for me at least, the 2c-e trips are more meaningful and fulfilling.
 
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