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2C-x warning

protovack

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Hello all, so I decided to try 2C-I this past week (dose was about 15mg). About 2 hours into the trip I had a very worrisome episode and I figured people should hear about this. I had sudden onset of constant, pressure-like left axillary, neck, and chest pain. Now, being a medical student with extensive background in emergency medicine I immediately thought about what it could be. I've seen this in hundreds of patients and the condition that fits most closely with my symptoms is anginal pain due to temporary ischemia of myocardial tissue. Being only 27 years old, I highly doubt that my coronary arteries are significantly obstructed by plaque. So the only reasonable explanation is an episode of acute coronary vasospasm, or an actual myocardial spasm. I did thump my chest several times with my fist because I was so worried, the logic being that if you have an embolus lodged in a coronary artery (or pulmonary artery), the shock can dislodge it before ischemia occurs. Or, if you have vasospasm, the kinetic shock may dislodge the agonist (in this case 2c-i) from receptors long enough for the spasm to reverse.

In any event, it was a scary episode. I've been doing some reading and it appears 5HT2b is heavily expressed in cardiac tissue. I wonder if there is a way to prevent this kind of thing from happening, perhaps an antagonist of some kind, but would that nullify other desirable effects? Basically I am worried that an older person, perhaps with a less healthy heart, a smoker, or more coronary occlusion than myself, could find themselves in a life threatening situation after taking a 2C-x.
 
Well, pretty much no one has died from the halogenated 2C drugs, so I'm not sure there's a huge amount to worry about. Chest pain or neck pain are not terribly uncommon side effects.

I'm not really sure whether to qualify it as significant or insignificant unless you have some data that would provide us with something to back up your claims with. 2C-B, for instance, has enjoyed a large availability for two decades and has yet to be associated with any deaths that I'm aware of.
 
the kinetic shock may dislodge the agonist (in this case 2c-i) from receptors long enough for the spasm to reverse.

Hmmm.... not so sure about that one.

Also, tripping can create a lot of phantom pain and amplify a lot of things that aren't there (I'm sure you know that), you may have just had a natural momentary ache somewhere (its not uncommon for me to feel a sudden sharp pain somewhere in my body for about 5 seconds followed my some echoing ache), and the body load made it seem that much more intense or lasting. Just my thoughts...
 
Wow, that's really interesting. So if someone is OD:ing on opioids should I kick them in the head? =D

That's not what he said...Kinetic shock may dislodge a possible blood clot from his coronary arteries which was/is/could have been causing the myocardial infarction like symptoms he was experiencing. Will this really work? Not a great chance but he was tripping on 2c-i and was thinking he may be having a minor heart attack, lol, what else is a man to do?! :)
 
That's not what he said...

No?

kinetic shock may dislodge the agonist (in this case 2c-i) from receptors

It seems to me if you apply the logic to an opioid overdose, then by the same logic you could kick someone in the head to dislodge the mu-agonists from the receptors... ;)
 
So what you'd need is a 5htb2 antagonist that only has peripheral effects, and then take your 2c-i correct?
 
Like I mentioned previously, I believe mirtazapine an antagonist at 5ht2b, but rather weak. To the same degree, mostly likely, it antagonizes 5ht2a, which is counterproductive for psychedelia. We need something more selective.
 
That's a bit bizarre!

I experienced a very irregular heartbeat after IVing 2c-b (don't ask) a couple of years ago.. very spaced out feeling, and tightness in the chest.

Has never happened when taken orally though, curiousity is a silly silly thing!
 
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