2C-X effect comparisons

[SeniorShaggy]

hey, well i'v recently began to indulge myself into some of Shulgin's work, primarily the 2C-X's. And if i can find a reliable internet source i would love to order some to be able to gain some actual primary information on them. but thats something i'll find in time

For now my question is if anyone who has tried multiple 2C-X compunds could provide me with a basic effects comparrison.
I've looked into it on erowid and a couple other random sources, but i was wondering if i could get some striaght forward comparrisons of them
something along the lines of a comparrison of thier euphoria, visuals, physical/mental stimulation, nausea ect.


Im most interested in 2C-I and 2C-E


thanks,
peace and love
shaggy

 

[moe.ron]

^we cant post or discuss sources here sorry, but I would strongly suggest avoiding . I would suggest reading a lot of erowid trip reports and look at the erowid effects profile pages, should be enough info in that alone to help you decide whats best for you (how can we know whats best for you?), not to mention the big and dandy threads here at bluelight and in the trip report section of this site. Happy huntings

 

[SeniorShaggy]

alright thanks, i just wasnt sure if reviews were allowed or not, either way i'll remove it

and i'm just wondering about some straight forward comparrisons of the different compunds effects. i've taken a look at them and have mostly settled on eithe -I or -E , but doesnt mean i cant learn about the differeances even more

thanks

 

[greenmeanies]

rule number one about comparing drugs in this family is: each person responds differently to each compound.

some people get terrible body load from -E and prefer -I.
others might find both of them disagreeable and prefer -C.
still others think that all of them are useless compared to the original archetype (mescaline)

take all reviews with a grain of salt, but i think there is a comparison thread concerning 2C-E and 2C-I already somewhere on here... try using the search

personally, 2C-E was my first phenethylamine compound and I enjoyed the hell out of it. some body load, but the intensity of negative effects varied from trip to trip. visuals and positive body high are electric, and sometimes overwhelming.

2C-T-7 i've only sampled twice, but it was magnificent on both accounts. hands-down the most enjoyable symphony of visuals, tastes, and emotions. but it is wildly unpredictable as far as dose goes, and may be the worst body load offender for some people.

2C-I i have only taken to +++ once, as I have recently not had time for explorations. It seems to be a little more predictable in low-dose situations than anything else i've tried. it feels "fluffy" if you can manage to harness the excessive energy that it brings. most people dose this one far to high, IMO. do not assume your sweet spot will be the same as your friends'.

as always, we MUST caution beginner researchers that a 0.001g (MILLIGRAM!) scale is absolutely essential for proper safety. titrate slowly and do not redose in the same evening!

 

[cosmicjam]

I agree with greenmeanies, the experience can vary greatly between people, but in my experience the majority have a similar effect.

Here's a short description of the experiences I've had with 2C-Xs

2C-I: Was the first 2C-X I ever tried, and it completely blew me away. Gave me a very comfortable trip, interesting OEVs - though not stunning. I had a mad rushes of ideas and thoughts, which were actually quite enjoyable.

2C-E: Definitely the 'deepest', without being too overwhelming, and the most visual of the 2Cs I've tried.

2C-P: The heaviest of all them for sure, sometimes taking 5 hours to come up and lasting around 10 hours. During the peak I was locked in crazy thought patterns, pretty visual too. Quite heavy body load too, and it really took it's toll on my digestive system. Also tripping for so long left me feeling very drained afterwards.

2C-C: This is probably my favourite 2C, a dose of around 30-50mg gives me a really visual, interesting trip which only lasts around 4 hours. I find myself in a state where I feel comfortable around others, and am still able to communicate properly (something I found difficult on all the others). It's ideal if you're out and fancy a light trip.

I will note that a couple of friends had a really difficult time on these chems, serious paranoid delusions and emotional imbalance - they're fine now but it wasn't pretty at the time! - just be careful!

 

[SeniorShaggy]

thank you very much for your insights.
im hoping to sample both -E and -I sometime soon
assuming i can find a fine enough scale

what intrests me most is the possability of an mdma-like rush accompanied by some OEVs

thanks, shaggy

 

[Mitchi]

Have you looked into aMT?

 

[SeniorShaggy]

no actually, i'll have to give it a look. Thanks
however i have previously loked into 4-aco-DMT and 4-ho-mipt , and would prefer those to anything. But hey, this is the world of of RC's and thanks to the mental slavery enforced by the governments of the world, we can't always get what we want

 

[moe.ron]

alright thanks, i just wasnt sure if reviews were allowed or not, either way i'll remove it

and i'm just wondering about some straight forward comparrisons of the different compunds effects. i've taken a look at them and have mostly settled on eithe -I or -E , but doesnt mean i cant learn about the differeances even more

thanks

well that being the case ill help with the couple of 2c-x's i know well enough.

2c-i: one of the best euphoric psychedelics out there. I would not call the body high very similar to mdma, but it deffinitely has a significant euphoric push to it that has had me feeling as good as I've ever felt, something 2c-e specifically does not do to me. Visuals fun but, imo not what I like from a serious psychedelic, which is ok, because if your wanting a world shattering trip there are much better tools for that then 2c-i. If you just want a chemical that can consistenly produce easy ++'s or +++'s with minimal negative body effects, look no farther.

2c-e: Honestly one of the least recreational psychedelics ive ever tried. I remember before I tried it reading about how shulgin said it was a "difficult material" that while not "fun" did seem to warrant farther research. Well he was completely right. Now a lot of people love 2c-e, and I've heard people say theyve had more euphoria off 2c-e then any other compound, but this is not the case for me. Me and 2c-e just dont tango well together. Any dose above 20 mg will have me poisoned for the first two hours of the trip. Unbelievable nausea, guranteed to throw up anywhere between 3-6 times before the come up is through. The visuals, though, are among the strongest ive gotten from any PEA, the headspace much more introspective and traditionally psychedelic then 2c-i. The big question for me regarding 2c-e though, is "is the come up worth the trip". Well during the come up I say no and never again but during the trip i say yes so....

2c-t-2: One of my favorite psychedelics. Just one of the most well rounded chemicals I've ever had the pleasure of taking. Come up isnt to bad, I can be guranteed not to throw up if I take a lower dose, and even higher doses only make me throw up half the time or so, and even then you just throw it up, get it out of you, and your through. Also, this is another of 2c-x's with a large euphoric push to it, for me at least. The body trip is distinctly different then the push and stimulation you get from 2c-i, but still is one of the best feelings I've ever felt. The visuals are more like 2c-i then 2c-e, but significantly stronger then 2c-i's. Finally the level of intospection it causes, and the amount of work I can get done while on it is amazing. A thinking mans PEA. I could be a cheer leader for 2c-t-2 though, really one of my favorite chems.

2c-c: have only sampled a handful of times. I find it to be almost indistinguishable from 2c-b or 2c-i, accept faster acting, shorter lasting, and milder then both.

2c-b: Have only sampled once at 15 mg but was a very nice euphoria with brightened color and some distortion.

edit: by the way this will vary so much from person to person its not even funny! whatever you do start low, be safe and go in with a completely open mind

 

[bunnyhentman]

Mostly to show how different the effects of these chemicals can be to different brains, here's my 2c cliff notes:

2c-i: First 2cx, great sparkly twinkly visuals (sometimes pixelated, often pink & green). Too much physical stimulation -- always gave me eye twitches and a cramp and I could only take on an empty stomach. Also had a consistent dysphoric edge and depersonalized me to the point where I felt very disconnected from other people and didn't care about their feelings. I took this 50+ times at around 15-30mg. One time took over 100mg and had difficult breathing, trouble controlling body temperature, severe cramps.

2c-e: Inconsistent bodyload, but generally a bit of nausea on the come up. Really magical visuals, I feel like the best of all the 2c's I've tried. The only drug I've taken which has given me mescaline-like visuals, where the world glows/is bathed in magical light and I see colors I didn't know existed. Somewhat cinematic. This has been the most powerful 2c I've tried. Slightly to super cold/detached. Taken about 5 times usually at 15-20mg.

2c-b: Much warmer than 2c-i and 2c-e. Great visuals (rainbows mostly), great level of energy, manageable nausea (10-15 minutes on comeup). Doesn't mess with my head at all -- I am maybe a little more talkative than sober, but not confused. Taken probably well over 100 times, and it really doesn't work on me anymore at less than 60mg. I'm pretty sure I'm nearing the end of use for this one, or at least I need a long, long break. However, a friend recently took about 15mg and felt it was stronger than several hits of acid.

2c-c: Took this once at about 50mg and thought it was completely boring -- equiv to less than 5mg of 2c-b/i and it died off fast too (didn't last through a 2 hour film).

2c-p: I've only taken it 4 times, but I really like it. Very long-lasting, with awesome time dilation. Really perfect for me at a long festival or party. I don't sleep for about 20 hours with this, and I don't feel tired at all. Nice visuals, can be a little stimulating but great for dancing. I have also had a good time just sitting around. I take it around 12-13mg.

I think that's it, I may have taken 2c-t-21 or 2c-t-7 once but I can't recall what it was like. I mix all of these with lsd and 4-aco-dmt, but my notes above were about the chemicals on their own.

 

[freescale]

I have a fair amount of experience with both 2ci & 2ce, done each at least 20 times. Here's my take.

2ci - For me it was mostly a mental trip, it affected my thought processes much more than my perceptions. It's a great drug for getting out of your head & thinking crazy thoughts, taking your mind places it usually considers off limits. Very little visual or aural effects at (almost) any dose. At low doses (10mg & under) it gave me a fair headache, but that went away at higher doses. My typical dose was 15-25mg. I had one spectacular semi-accidental overdose, in excess of 100mg. The one psychedelic effect I got from that was a persistent hallucination of having compound vision like a fly. Beyond that it was very unpleasant & I probably came uncomfortably close to death. Not recommended.

2ce - I found this to be somewhat entheogenic, that it boosted my mood & sociability more than 2ci. Active at much lower doses Also tended to increase sex drive (neither drug had much effect one way or the other on sexual performance). Fairly strong sensory & perception alteration (time dilation, color distortion, auditory distortion). No overdoses on this, thankfully. I learned my lesson the first time. Typical dose for me was much lower, 8-15mg. There was often a fair body load, kind of a twitching nervousness in my arms & legs mostly.

All in all I prefer 2ce but that's based on my taste in effects more than anything else.

 

[IamMe90]

people have IV'd up to 100mg iirc so you probably weren't in any danger.

I SC'd a mere 25mg and felt like I was dying (violent vomiting for hours and felt like my head was being ripped in half) and that's nothing compared to IVing 100... so I think once you cross a certain (mostly safe) threshold in dose it's just going to feel like hell anyway.

 

[SeniorShaggy]

thank you
these are the type of personal retrospective comparisons i was loking for.
And most of them seem to point at 2C-I as being the more energetic sociable of the chemicals
while 2C-E seems to generally cause a more phycadelic expiriance
Im kind of turning the other cheek to the 2C-t-x's as it seems like they generally have a large bodyload.
though obviously this does vary from person to person, as can even be seen in the responses here.
but i've deffinatly gotten what i asked for, though if anyone else would like to post thier personal findings on the matter i'd still love to see them
Honestly 2C-B seems to be the most interesting to me, however it's illegality is kind of depressing

 

[dropsonde]

2ce was a fractal wonderland. the visuals were more of a speedy type and twitchy, and the trip had a dark undertone and some mindfuck and loops. and that got a lot more intense the more you did.

2cb is more cartoony where in everything looks wonderful. tracers are great. really fun to lightshow. touch is nice, and there is a euphoria which i prefer to mdma. the mind remains fairly clear but youre still tripping lol

both have a body load but 2ce being worse, however ive only puked on 2cb but i did snort a lot of filler.

 

[guerillabedlam]

2ce: First I 2cx I tried. A pretty heavy trip, strong oev distortion and beautiful cev patterns. The nausea tends to persist on it for me which can detract from the mental aspect but a strong trip and probably the most visually impressive 2c I've taken.

2cb: The most well rounded 2c. 30 Mgs and below it practically has no negative physical side effects whatsoever except body temperature fluctuation. (this can be positive too) One of the few chems I like to maintain a moderate dose with, (20-30 mgs) its just so sensual, beautiful and enjoyable in this dose range.

2ci: More of an emotional mind trip but occasionally can produce some interesting visual effects such as shading objects which makes them standout and colorful little sparkles often appear in my vision. Has a heavier body load than 2cb but it can be extremely euphoric at times, its pretty stimulating which can cause body tension and it doesn't quhite produce the full on overwhelming euphoria of MDMA but I've taken it at a club and it can mimic alot of MDMA's effects fairly closely in the 15-22 mgs range.

2ct2: Not much to see or experience at lower doses but at higher doses ~50 mgs this is a really interesting trip. It tends to have the darkest edge for me out of all the 2cs. Its not quite as colorful but the visuals are really unique, some amazing and unorthodox cev's as well. There is some nausea but I find it doesnt really feel to harsh on my body, more I just feel temporary slightly ill. I usually don't move to far on this one though.

2ct7: I've only taken it at a higher dose (50 mgs) so its a bit unfair to compare to the other trips. I've heard its quite uneventful at lower doses though which lead me to this dose. Its very visual as and unfolds very beautifully. Its probably the most similar to actual mescaline but retains the artificial, synthetic feeling of the 2c's. It has a great warm positive glow to it. Great oev distortion as well as nice cev's. A little bit more 'flashy' than ive found 2ce to be visually, more absurd cartoonish visuals. Can walk around a bit more than 2ct2 but I still felt nausea in waves.

2cp: I've tried this one twice and so far its my least favorite 2cx. It takes awhile to kick in and never really reaches any sort of interesting peak for me. It doesnt have a heavy body load but it has a rough body load (tension). The cevs can be interesting but I've felt very clear headed and uninspired from it each time for the majority of the trip. No significant emotional push and pretty much just lingers for a long time without developing into anything worthwhile. Don't recommend it.


Further comments
-Every single 2cx enhances music for me and its pretty cool because I prefer different music on different compounds.

-2cb and 2ci are the only two I could treat as recreational in the same sense as mdma. 2cb is a little more chilled, sensual and 'lovey dovey' and 2ci is more stimulating and erotic (though occasionally its not at all erotic.) The others are to heavy of trips and/or the lower dose effects I find uninteresting.

-Ive only had sex on 2cb which was quite good and 2ce which I needed to suplement with a stimulant to enhance my libido. 2cb and 2ci are the only two I reccommend as aphrodisacs, possibly 2ct7 as well but nausea comes in waves.

-2ct7, 2ce, and 2cp are most likely going to be 8+ hr trips so plan accordingly.

-Roa(route of administration: Oral is what I assume you'll start with for roa but Rectal is worth checking out as well as this can often lesson the body load and nausea of some of these chems. I don't reccommend insuffalation but it can certainly potentiate a dose, most of these chems have terribly burns though and getting floored straight to peak doesnt feel as full of an experience as oral/rectal. There has been a few deaths associated with insuffalated 2ct7, something to keep in mind as well.

Trips can vary greatly based on set, setting and dose. Most these descriptions are from trips in the 20 mgs range unless otherwise specified.

 

[777xog]

It would really depend on what you're looking for and what experience you have with other psychedelics.

My stoner friends have described 2C-C as surprisingly strong and enjoyable, but among experienced psychedelic users, it's described as too light.

For me, 2C-E, was overpowering with very little visuals (less than 2C-C even), and just in general, not fun at all. Set and setting were just fine, but it was still nothing but cold, overwhelming, "profound discomfort". Having said that, I MIGHT revisit it one of these days; a lot of people really like it and I think I might fare better now that I know what to expect.