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2C-T-7 (20mg insufflated) - Inexperienced - What have I done?

A govt. can't prevent one from getting to know a friendly chemist who will be glad to perform any analysis needed to determine purity and content. Quit playing the role of a victim. :)
 
morninggloryseed said:
A govt. can't prevent one from getting to know a friendly chemist who will be glad to perform any analysis needed to determine purity and content. Quit playing the role of a victim. :)
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Interesting philosophy there......I guess that's what we should tell those living in the war zones of Iraq and Afghanistan.

I was just emphasizing how much less reliable and safe things have become as the semi-legit RC vendors have been taken down.

Nonetheless, I know an employed chemist who I have discussed this with already. I am not convinced he will know the right things to do. Can you suggest the correct analysis procedures needed to analyze a sample of 2C-T-7?

I assume some kind of GCMS but is there more than that needed for both purity and content?
 
Heh, oh boy. I did hear 2C-I was just starting to make the rounds in the southern tribal areas of Afghanistan before those devilish Americans started landing there. And the Kurdish Iraqis love 2C-C, but those wiley Shia in the south love their 2C-P. And everyone who is anyone knows the Sunni's drug of choice will always be 5-MeO-MiPT. But now the Americans take all of the good drugs, as well as means of analysis.

Anyway, GCMS is sufficient for determining purity and content. But if your 'employed chemist' friend can't figure out what to do, it is probably G. Bush's fault. :)

As far as reliability or not...'legit' research chemical vendors never offered their products to psychonauts. I don't know what made 'RAC' or 'Omega' reliable in some people's minds. They were simply drug dealers with web sites. No more or less reliable than anyone else. Issues of purity and falsification did arise before operation web tryp.
 
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Actually, snorting any of the 2C-T-x series doesn't seem like a good idea ar all; I've heard some horrible stories from people about snorting 2C-T-2. It may well be related to the fact that a lot of the 2C-T-x compounds have a fair degree of MAOI activity at physiological concentrations (see a post by BilZ0r in an ADD thread) - combine that with its serotonergic activity and you get the o/p description as sounding not unlike serotonin syndrome.

Basically don't snort any 2C-T-x unless you want to either die horribly or be labelled an irresponsible fuckwit
 
Interesting comment F&B about the 2C-T-2. I remember when the 2C-T-7 toxicity issue occured, there was much talk about the lack of danger with 2C-T-2...even when it was insufflated. Over the years, I do not remember any deaths or serious injuries that occured as a result of 2C-T-2 usage...given its greater potency over 2C-T-7. Are you able to share more details as to these horror stories related to 2C-T-2? I don't recall ever hearing about possible MAOI activity with the 2C-Ts, but I shall go search for this thread now.
 
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Heh, oh boy. I did hear 2C-I was just starting to make the rounds in the southern tribal areas of Afghanistan before those devilish Americans started landing there. And the Kurdish Iraqis love 2C-C, but those wiley Shia in the south love their 2C-P. And everyone who is anyone knows the Sunni's drug of choice will always be 5-MeO-MiPT. But now the Americans take all of the good drugs, as well as means of analysis.
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Man you must be quite proud of your ability to convey sarcasm. I am so impressed.

I don't know about you but I have too many friends who are victims of the "War on Some Drugs" that has been waged for the past 20 years. Just because you may have avoided one of the three war zones doesn't mean it isn't reality that the American government is actively spending money and resources to achieve a society where only caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol are available safely.

I really think it is pointless to argue what has already been hashed out a million times.....all I was implying was that as things become more prohibited, they just become more dangerous because criminals get involved. This is 8th grade social studies content. I suppose those who lamented alcohol prohibition were "playing the role of the victim"? I mean they could always get to know someone who has a still and then get to know someone who could test to make sure it wasn't methanol they were going to drink. Anyone who went blind from inferior product had no right blaming the moral crusade that was Prohibition. Is that sarcastic enough for you?

Anyway, GCMS is sufficient for determining purity and content. But if your 'employed chemist' friend can't figure out what to do, it is probably G. Bush's fault. :)
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I am not sure if you are implying that I am lying or that my friend is inept but both are wrong. My friend works in another state for a very gigantic tobacco company developing "safer" forms of tobacco products. He has access to a full laboratory and he has a Phd. I am sure he can handle it but if I am going to send him a sample then I wanted to be sure I asked him do the right thing. It was my impression that GCMS would only show content not purity but I guess if there are peaks that aren't in a reference sample then they must be considered impurities. Thanks for answering the question but no thanks for the insulting sarcasm.


As far as reliability or not...'legit' research chemical vendors never offered their products to psychonauts. I don't know what made 'RAC' or 'Omega' reliable in some people's minds. They were simply drug dealers with web sites. No more or less reliable than anyone else. Issues of purity and falsification did arise before operation web tryp.
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And I suppose you dealt with the 'legit' vendors only? I never dealt with Rac or Omega but I know that I would still rather deal with a drug dealer with a website whose reputation I can research on forums used by countless other customers before me than I would buy a sample off the street that has no accurate source of origination.

Now lets see if you can again skew the focus here to how inappropriate it is for me to say anything critical about your intelligent and articulate president.
 
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Man you must be quite proud of your ability to convey sarcasm. I am so impressed.

I don't know about you but I have too many friends who are victims of the "War on Some Drugs" that has been waged for the past 20 years. Just because you may have avoided one of the three war zones doesn't mean it isn't reality that the American government is actively spending money and resources to achieve a society where only caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol are available safely.
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Well, I do not support drug prohibition, so I am not sure how or what you want me to reply to. I will point out however that the US is not the only country in the world where drugs are prohibited. While cannabis, and perhaps some of the 'softer psychedelics' are accepted in European countries, other drugs are still prohibited and offenders can and are prosecuted. So bitching and complaining about the American govt with relation to drug laws means nothing, as all nations actively prohibit individuals from consuming the chemicals they choose. Ever hear of Thailand? Go there and break the cocaine laws and then tell me how bad the US is.

BTW, I made the comment about, 'playing the role of a victim' in response to your comment that the US govt. doesn't want you to know the content and purity of your psychedelic research chemicals. And I am not sure what the comment about the president is about. You are free to level any criticism at him you wish, I may even join you for a few.
 
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