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2C-T-21 - Experienced (Retrospective) - Saturn

Jamshyd

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I have had 5 experiences with this very unique compound. 4 of which where typical, 1 was somewhat of an accidental overdose. I decided to put up a report to summarize the effects that this compound has on me.

I think it takes more than one try to figure out what a particular drug does. I guess you can say you become experienced when you find yourself no longer trying to figure out what the drug is trying to do and start to actually experience it. I know for sure that this was the case with LSA and 2C-T-21 for me.

Insufflation and rectal administration of this drug seem to have the same efficiency, for me they produced “regular” effects around 3 - 4 mg, and extremely powerful effects at about 10 mg. The onset is only a bit faster than oral (it takes about 40 minutes to reach a plateau). My one experiment with oral administration was 5 mg and it produced effects similar to that of 3 mg insufflated, however it took a bit more than an hour to plateau. I found my experience with the oral dose to be much more rewarding than all others. I think this is true for all the Phenethylamines I tried: oral administration is the best way to go, especially that I am very sensitive to Phenethylamines and am only 120 lbs.

But back to 2C-T-21. During the first hour, not much happens, however I can feel myself going up to a +. There are some parallels between this drug and MDMA in terms of onset and comedown, but that’s about it. I will elaborate on these parallels as I go. By the 1 hr point, there is a definite jaw clenching. This remains for the rest of the day, even after getting back to baseline, and it may get annoying. Also by the 1 hr point, there is a definite pleasant body feeling. Nothing too overwhelming, just a feeling of chemically-induced comfort. This, to me, is similar to the onset of MDMA.

By T+2:00, the drug’s full effects are there and they linger for 3 more hours and then VERY gradually start to disappear over a long time (5+ hours). Its hard to say when one really reaches baseline, however a good pointer is insomnia. 2C-T-21 is somewhat stimulating, though not pushy (unless you took a lot). That is basically it for the physical effects.

This drug is definitely a psychedelic, IMO. There are no visuals to speak of here, unless you are taking very high doses, which are uncomfortable (both physically and mentally). A very prominent effect of this drug is time dilation. It can REALLY stretch time, and that effect remains for up three days after ingestion at high doses. There is not much mental activity at regular doses. Your mind seems to function normally, but there is a sense of inertia, a “blah” feeling. It is possible to just sit and stare at something that seems interesting for a long time, without doing much thinking. At a high dose, I found that my mind races with disjointed and useless thoughts which usually have a silly character.

Now, what makes this drug so interesting? I found that this drug brings out the ugliness of the world and forces you to face it in a detached manner. It is somewhat the opposite of MDMA and 2C-T-2 (and I assume, Mescaline) in terms of psychedelic action, actually. You feel very “alone.” In all my experiences, I found myself noticing all the garbage of the city, all the poverty, the pollution…etc. This effect is very strong and real, and I can’t resist it. It is definitely not a one-time experience that can happen on any psychedelic, the effect lasts for at least 4 hours every time I take the drug and at whatever dose. And only this drug produces it for me. If it where not for the euphoric component of this drug, I would figure it would cause depression. Actually, I will also note that for me, it has a crash almost as severe as that caused by MDMA (and I stopped taking MDMA because I crash too hard).

A very interesting and rather paradoxical effect though, is that this drug also enhances sensuality. It does NOT boost sex drive – it makes people more sexually appealing. Its hard to explain, really. And when sex IS performed on it, it is really amazing. I only have experience with masturbation though – but I would imagine this drug will probably be useful for partners who have sexual problems.

Let me elaborate more on that (and this is actually the point of this report). I do not think this drug has any recreational value. I also did not find it introspective at all. Taking it on a single-experience basis, I found that it had not thought me anything, however, in retrospect, it had. I personally believe that this drug has a LOT of therapeutic value though when it comes to perhaps family problems. I think it may even have some value for politicians, lawyers and judges, and even criminals. It is really hard to explain anything why I think this way. I think it totally brings out what is wrong and allows you to accept it and pass a good, unbiased judgement on it. That’s the best way I could explain it.

For those who understand astrological symbolism, this drug seems to bring out all the themes of Saturn (and in fact, this is how it had helped me spiritually, over time.

A very, very unique drug indeed. I hope this has shed some light on it for whoever was interested. I think it will be a very long time till I take this drug again. It had contributed a lot to my understanding of the world overtime, and I do not feel I have any more use for it.
 
Wow, hmm while I do get a lot of the same effects (the mood lift, sort of euphoric feeling, the MDMA-like effect but different) I guess, well as for visuals, at 6mg, it seemed to make everything really just, good looking. So I can see what you mean by, it making a person of the opposite sex look better. Actually, I was just describing that effect to a friend yesterday, jokingly i said "wow this makes a '4' look like a '10'!" (lol). I never explored this one enough yet, by itself, to get more into the other psychedelic effects. I found it REALLY enhances color, and my vision in general, like it is sharper and clearer. I haven't really found it making anything look quite ugly though (meaning, the certain psychedelic effects you describe), but like i said I haven't explored it enough.

The theraputic value, I can see that - but it seems sort of similar to MDMA rather than the opposite (but, opposite to a regular psychedelic I can definitely see). MDMA lets you look at problems, etc. while filled with euphoria, so i mean, you can look at problems and problems with your own self, sort of "detached" in the way that, you don't have to feel terrible at the time about them and you can let it all out without worrying about feeling bad at the time, hmm.. I was reading something that I had wrote while on it, and actually felt my emotions amplified but in that MDMA-like way, very emotionally into it, but it felt great, and actually now that I think about it, I was thinking about this problem, and I did have that detached feeling, meaning, at the time I can only feel good, but still think about it, but to me this is a lot like MDMA. Like, can't "feel" bad although you can think about something bad or a problem, etc.

I actually thought it would make a nice, 'recreational' drug, at least for me. I found it always enhanced humor, made being social i guess 'more fun' or something - and it seems to change the way I talk, I tend to joke around a lot more, and seems like I can think quicker (with words, or a word to rhyme, or something like that). I never experienced the time dialation effect though, but I didnt really pay attention i guess. It seemed mostly normal.

I had just last time taken 6mg, then a few-four hours later or so, I added some 2C-C to it, which made it REALLY interesting. Both of these enhance colors, but I thought, well just how much more saturated can colors get? Well I already posted it a couple other places so I wont go into detail here but, i'll just say , "THE COLORS!" =D

Nice report man, you brought up some interesting things about this drug. Its definitely unique.
 
Although I'll be eating mine, this report excites me. So far, only 2C-T-7 has proven to be good of the 2C-Ts I've tried (obviously not many, the others were T2 and T4). I hope 2C-T-21 end up being a "good one." Good read.
 
I've tried this twice now. Both times where interesting and constructive. The first time I tried it was at home at night. The come up as pretty much just like 2-cb. E.G. sounds and colors becoming more pronounced. Gradually a nice content feeling came over me and I was somewhat unable to think straight. This was at 8 mg's. I wasn't really up or down, so I took 4 more mg's. After which I hopped on my computer to make some music. Over the course to the next 3 hours I felt as though I could really connect with the music on a more emotional level which felt very deep and meaningful.

The second time was at (:\ ) work on 8 mg's. Now just because I did it doesn't mean you can go ahead and do it. Going to work on drugs can get very ugly, I walked a tight line that day. Anyhow, I dosed before I left the house and was tripping by the time I had to start. Nice happy feeling, wanted to go that extra mile for customers, increased stimulation for lifting, and music sounded good. There was some bad though. The whole "I'm tripping at work feeling" was not fun in the least. But I'm glad I did it since I found out my fellow coworker was on meth after a long break and we were able to connect on a more personal level and work some shit out, as well as have a laugh.

All and all, I really like t-21. It's something I would like to use when wanting to have a day to chill out and play music and talk with friends. The stimulant edge is something to watch out for so dosing early in the day would be best, as I didn't sleep much on my trials. Peace, Spinal
 
Spinal said:
Going to work on drugs can get very ugly, I walked a tight line that day.
Very true. I've only done two drugs at work, LSD and pot. Pot just makes thinking and everything else hard and fuzzy. A low dose of acid makes things a little more fun and interesting, but the mental exhaustion after a day of trying to act normal is pretty severe. Weird, but definitely worth doing if you have the type of job, and job security, where you can get away with it (ie. no drug tests, trusting coworkers, and a day with not much to do.)

I would like to try a PEA at work someday, they seem like better daytime trips to me.

VB
 
Well guys, after having the 11mg dose I have to say its a very interesting compound. Very interesting. It seems have a strange intensity, but with a lack of extremes. At 11mg there are very pleasent flushing sensations, though a slight burning behind the eyes makes things that slightly less pleasent.

Socially, its a great lubricant. Perhaps it was my mindset, or the situation I was in, but no conversation seemed engaging. There was no - "WOW, YES, THATS SOO TRUE". I had it with my partner, whom also noted minor enhancments of the visual field.

A lot of people look for the intensity and craziness in these substances that can be found in 2C-I, 2C-B and MDMA. Like 2ct7, 2ct21 had a subtle glow it. Whereby colours were enhanced, tactile and other sensory perceptions were also enhanced. But 2ct21 had no cosmic connection, it had a great albeit superficial "mood lift". My mood in general during the night was not too relaxed as I have a number of things on my mind, so I will look forward to trying it when I have a clear head and a free weekend. But I am also waiting to do the same thing with DOI and one of my old favourites 2ct7.

I have a desire to try 2ct21 in a number of other contexts. Due to its subtle nature and the fact that it keeps you quite grounded it would do well for outings and parties.

If I was to summarise my experiences with this compound it would be to say that this is a pleasent, joyful mood enhancer that brings the chalice of contedness to the soul. I suspect it could be taken more often then the other more cosmic psychedelics.

Hopefully we can shed some more light on this strange and interesting compound.
 
Jamshyd, I think you're right on in a lot of respects. I've found that I get real sensitized to bad vibes, but if I carefully set up the trip -- who I'm going to be with, where I'm going to be, what kind of music to listen too -- it is a fine social experience, in kind of a lazy way as others have mentioned. It casts a beautiful spell but it is very easy to break that spell. You can let yourself get swept away by the bad vibes or you can choose to enjoy the good ones. Maybe that relates to what you're saying a little bit.

Interestingly I've found that it gives me a sense of MDMA-like closeness with my spouse and best friends, but not with strangers. I hope you get to try it with a sex partner soon, it is a very nice experience. Meanwhile you've given us a lot to think about.
 
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