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(2C-P/70 mg) First time: Overdose

I think you're right TuringMachine, I had not ordered 2c-p, my total order contained only JWH-018 and what I thought was going to Buphedrone.
Makes me wonder who else has been fucked up by this "mishap"

I'm lucky, there were flashes of moments where I thought, this is what psychosis feels like, I'm so grateful that I have an open line of communication with my parents so I felt safe enough to ask them for help that night.

I have never been so frightened in my entire life, my mother is still a wreck having witnessed me in that state.
I'm not religious at all but I fucking pray that no one dies or aquires serious psychological damage from this mistake.
 
goonboi, what can I say? I am so terribly sorry. I know how scarring this must have been for you. I too suffered massive psychological fallout from those incidents. But we've had luck.

love_sex_desire pmed me with additional questions. I cannot answer him, because I've still greenlighter status. So I answer via this thread:

Yes your assume the right vendor.

How did I know that i measured both overdoses from the buphedrone bag?

Easy: I have a 'Buphedrone' bag with 840mg and a 2C-P bag with 1004mg according to my scale. I bought 1g of each. So it's natural to assume that both overdoses came from the same bag.

How did I get the impression that I overdosed on 2C-P?

I've been able to contact staff members of the now defunct vendor. They confirmed that what I overdosed on was indeed 2C-P. They've asked customers who got contaminated samples to send them back, and analyzed them in a nmr. Turns out my original guesswork below was spot on.

As far as white powders go the supposed Buphedrone and 2C-P look identical. The effects from the unknown chemical are a somehwat harsher version of 2C-E dialled up to insane intensity because of the ammount ingested. It's no tryptamine, psychedelics of this family feel different.

I did not try the supposed 2C-P. The chemicals had arrived only a few days prior. I have a slight trauma from the incident that prevents me from tasting any substance that came with that particular shipment. So there will be no comparisons by bioassay. I still have the intention of having the substance tested, but please be patient.

EDIT: The thread title originated from the course of events during the first Incident. I received a shipment containing both Buphedrone and 2C-P. It never occurred to me that they mislabeled the bags. I assumed that I measured the first dose from the wrong baggie. I guess it was some 2C-XX, considering the product range of the vendor and the type of effects. Due to the severity and duration of the experience I'd exclude 2C-C (tasted this one, not the same league) and 2C-D (based on trip reports and dosing information found on the net). I can also exclude 2C-t-2 because they describe their badge as having an orange tint. I ingested fluffy white powder. This leaves 2C-I, 2C-E and 2C-P.

I will report the incident at the site love_sex_desire pointed me to *snip* - no vendor review sites please

We have now 2 sorry customers. I bet there will be more incidents popping up. The experience was very frightening for me, the second time even more than the first. It could easily cost someones live considering the settings in which people use this kind of stim.
 
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That's terrible. At least everyone is okay. This is a very good reason to always take a small amount first. This is how a couple people died during the Haupt RC incident. Be careful out there everyone, don't get too confident. It only takes once. Even if it's the same JWH-018 you've been ordering for years, try a small amount first. You never know if it'll be something like Bromo-Dragonfly by mistake. Vendors are only human, and mistakes happen.
 
-"Exact same thing" yeah I can feel your pain, went through this 20 years ago with a DOB overdose. Be assured, I recovered fully within a rather short time, but essence is that one must learn the lessons to go forward again.

-Yeah, mistakes happen, part. when ultra-busy x% off sales SO LISTEN AGAIN! One can't repeat that often enough, EVERY NEW BATCH HAS TO BE VERIFIED, PERIOD!!!

-btw I too don't think it was 70mg 2C-P, I actually think you have to thank God it was not 2C-P!


I wish all those having had horrible experience peace, strength and confidence!
 
Seems to me that vendors should maybe start dyeing their products or something. This sort of thing is just unacceptable and rather infuriating.
 
holy crap im glad you guys are alright. i think 80mgs of 2c-p would definitely be hospital time! however i do find it strange that a vendor would label 2c-p as buphedrone if they have a decent difference in threshold dosages, thats just ASKING to get arrested for the death of some kids! (eg. bromoDrgnfly)
 
The vendor in question has closed their shop for end users and concentrated on catering to wholesalers (quantities above 1/2kg) recently. This step definitely diminished their vulnerability. They put out a statement via a drug related blog that they never experienced any pressure from authorities or were subject of investigations.

But I'd imagine that what happened to me and goonboi at least expedited their withdrawal. There might be others we never heared from, that experienced unpleasant surprises too.

Dying the product like bluffythefluffy suggested would not be practical for obvious reasons. It would never catch on. And even if: It would allow vendors to hide impurities and botched synths more easily, wouldn't it? There would be no consistent color code throughout the industry which would invite further mishaps.
 
DwayneHoover said:
...Obviously they vanished out of fear of being prosecuted or charged with harming or killing someone via careless labeling. Their sudden, bizarre, inexplicable, unexplained disappearance now become very easy to understand.
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Dude, you need to stop smoking whatever you are smoking and calm down! - We talk to each other with respect in here, or not at all. - You're not helping matters by striking fear into everyone who ever purchased anything from the vendor you mentioned. That vendor had a stellar reputation (higher than almost any other vendor in fact), and a solitary screw-up does not by any stretch mean that everything they sold was rat poison, as you claim. I happen to know that the vendor in question privately contacted all six potentially affected customers immediately after the error was discovered, and was very frank and open and shared any information they had at the time, and they also offered the option of refunds or replacements. The fact that there have not been any new incidents would seem to confirm that - and it's been quite a long time now since the above incident transpired. So I do not understand why you are getting all riled up -- based on a complete lack of evidence, you are claiming there was some huge, and utterly ridiculous, conspiracy by this vendor to deliberately murder their customers, when in fact this isolated incident was handled very professionally, behind the scenes. Please be responsible when you speak!

BTW, that vendor did not do a runner, if you actually closely followed what happened you would know they handled the wind down quite elegantly over a period of a couple months. If you were a vendor and you made your goal, say, five million dollars, would you really want to push your luck and go for another five? I think many people would agree it's rare and refreshing to see a vendor not be greedy and go out of business at the top of the heap, without first turning scammer or getting busted.
 
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No, I did not say there was a conspiracy to murder their customers... where did you see I said that???

I only said they made a huge very dangerous error, the scope of the problem was unknown, and that it APPEARED to me as if they CLOSED to avoid possible liability over the incident. I NEVER used the term "murder".

But based on your report of the aftermath, and how it was handled, I deleted the message.

I still do not know how someone following careful procedures could be so sloppy, especially when it comes to such possibly deadly consequences. There should be a chain of SEVERAL people all involved in the preparation of orders, an observer, a checker, a log of exactly what was taken from exactly what bulk container and put in exactly what shipping ziplock, etc etc. There are ways to manage things that make such a mistake essentially impossible.

They should have offered agnetha and and others that ended up in the emer. room a LARGE financial compensation... they surely deserved such consideration at the very least.

Well anyway at least its over as we've heard no other disasters.

I thought we were allowed to name DEFUNCT vendors... that vendor's business name has been dissolved, the website is gone, the web domain name is gone, so I do not see why they should NOT be named, so that anyone else who ordered from them can at least be extra cautious with anything they received from them, just in case. I guess because they DO still have an active BULK business with a similar name that is still going.
 
You two need to stick to the topic at hand. If it's not about agnetha's trip report, you can continue this discussion via PMs.
 
HisNameIsFrank, it's NOT a "trip report". Get your head out of the sand, I beg you. It's a report about a vendor that carelessly failed to have in place sufficient controls and procedures such that they allowed an error that resulted in 9 people being sent possibly FATALLY MISLABELED chemical. And as it turns out, the vendor has revealed to one of the poisoned nearly killed people here that one of those 9 people it was unable to ever contact to warn. They may now be dead of mysterious causes for all we know, and may have been sufficiently secretive about their doings that friends, family and authorities are totally in the dark.... absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

How dare you call Bluelight a "harm reduction" site but try to prevent discussion like this that is intended to warn people and save lives. I am still utterly appalled that you are not allowing the now out-of-business vendor to be named. Why protect them? And why should the community take their word for it that they know with 100% certainty that only these 9 people were ever sent the wrong thing? The same shoddy procedures, practices and personnel training that nearly resulted in 2 deaths (and possibly actually resulted in 1 death for all we know) could just as likely resulted in faulty record-keeping/tracking such that others may well have received fatally mislabeled chems that the vendor has no clue about. Bluelight is perhaps the only sufficient resource with a large enough worldwide audience to broadcast such a sufficiently heard warning.

There is another important legal-world phrase you need to think long and hard about: "AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION." Which is what Bluelight should be displaying when such a life-or-death matter is concerned. I may end up appealing this to higher level moderators at Bluelight to request the vendor be named... I feel you made an improper decision, Frank, sorry nothing personal. This thread is about the entire incident, the "overdose"... not merely describing the effects of a certain amount of a substance.
 
Turing Machine said:
Since this came labelled as Buphedrone to two different people, is it safe to assume that this experience probably was not 2c-p? Perhaps the saddest thing about this is that the vast majority of RC consumers will probably still trust their lives to vendors and custom synth companies based purely on the assumption that they don't make mistakes. The one that scares me the most is the NBOME Mescaline, not because it appears to be dangerous itself but because of the possibility of contaminants with very minor changes in chemical structure could increase the potency 1000X and the SAR is still fairly unexplored to most.
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Could you elaborate on that? Especially on contaminants. And do you mean the structure could change in vivo? I don't understand what you mean. What circumstances do you think could cause NBOMe-mescaline to be an dangerous substance... just please elaborate, if you will.
 
Oh god, sorry to hear about your's and goon's trips. But honestly, you're not helping keeping the Rc's legal, just because you don't test your chems before hand doesn't mean you have to ruin the "scene" for rc's. Don't seem to mean harsh, but if you can't simply test your chems before taking doses then you shouldn't be taking them.
 
RandomGuy123 said:
Oh god, sorry to hear about your's and goon's trips. But honestly, you're not helping keeping the Rc's legal, just because you don't test your chems before hand doesn't mean you have to ruin the "scene" for rc's. Don't seem to mean harsh, but if you can't simply test your chems before taking doses then you shouldn't be taking them.
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Okay mister smart ass, how exactly do YOU test your chemicals? Do you do it the Shulgin way? Taking micrograms to start and then working up?

Do you send them in for lab testing?

If you tell me that you just simply use a testing kit, I'll laugh in your face. Those aren't foolproof and some substances react more than others do - which means if even a trace of that substance is in your test sample, you could still think you have perfectly good product.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Okay mister smart ass, how exactly do YOU test your chemicals? Do you do it the Shulgin way? Taking micrograms to start and then working up?

Do you send them in for lab testing?

If you tell me that you just simply use a testing kit, I'll laugh in your face. Those aren't foolproof and some substances react more than others do - which means if even a trace of that substance is in your test sample, you could still think you have perfectly good product.
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If you meant my "test" as literal testing then yeah, I might sound idiotic. But what I mean by testing is starting off in very low doses and working your way up, sorry but if you're impatient with these types of RC's, then you you're taking that chance.
 
Let me start of by saying that I am glad Agnetha came out the other end of this with his/her life. But I find it completely mind boggling that after being hospitalized for a near fatal OD on an unknown substance that anyone would be back in the saddle for another go a week later. This is the type of behavior exhibited by people with serious addiction/abuse/chemical dependence issues and I'm surprised that none of the other posters here have pointed that out. I've met alcoholics and heroin junkies that do things JUST like this.

I would hope this being a site for harm reduction that someone would point out that this type of usage points to other problems aside from the chemical being misrepresented or mislabeled even though that seems to be the central discussion in this thread and a pretty scary possibility for anyone using RCs. Users who display patterns of abuse like this should probably seek some sort of help from friends,family or maybe even a professional. I don't know if this would be considered off-topic but if it is flame away. Let me reiterate that I am glad the OP is still alive and kicking but I have to question the mindset of anyone who decided that 7 days out of the hospital was enough "time off" before they started ingesting more substances from any source trusted or not. And that maybe refraining from using ANY substance would be the way to go. Once again, I'm sorry if this seems off topic but I think it needed to be pointed out.
 
goonboi said:
This is my first time posting, I read your post and got chills and ultimately started crying because it was so close to my experience.

The exact same thing happened to me on 22nd of July 2010.

I had purchased some chemicals from what sounds like the same vendor, the one who now has invite only customers.

What I purchased was "Buphedrone" However, what I got was certainly not Buphedrone. I have had experience with taking Buphedrone before and it came from the same vendor as the current bag I have. I was expecting the same mild-ish stimulant qualities I had experienced on it previously, but something went wrong, really, really wrong.

I injested around 70mg of the product, with thirty minutes, I had started to vomit violently, straining and gagging yet nothing was coming up. My vision went into a tunnel of darkness and I could no longer see my face in the mirror, I realise quickly that either, I have overdosed on Buphedrone OR what I was sold was some kind of psychedelic, it felt like a bad, heavy acid trip and it was only getting worse and stronger as the time went on.
An hour had passed, my pulse was out of control, I was sweating and frightened beyond belief. I had NEVER felt so intoxicated from anything I had had in the past.
I called my mother who came around to my house, to find me naked in a chair crying and sweating, completley disorientated and "psychotic" she later told me.

She called an ambulance, they arrive, and I freak out. I'm told I tried to swing at the paramedics, yelling screaming and kicking.. They radio the Police because they thought I was a "danger to myself and others".
Police arrive, more confusion and fear, I'm thrown into the paddy wagon like a freak, like a piece of garbage, they take me to the psychiatric ward at my local hospital under guard and locked in a glass room with a camera on me.
The nurses were not allowed to enter my room unless they were with the guards, I was treated like an animal, a wild, dangerous animal. I kept seeing the nurses and police rolling their eyes at me as if to say "oh just another fucked up junkie"

I was kept locked in that room for just under 24hours. And like agnetha, was not allowed to leave until I had the all clear of the psychiatrist.

I can confidently say that night, was most definatly the Worst night of my entire life.
Agnetha, I cried when you mentioned "the sun come out", I had said the EXACT thing, I remember felling, Im stuck in loop and time wasnt moving, all I need was the warmth and reassurance of the sun. Everything was dark, cold, looming and so scary.
I had remarkably similar experiences as Agnetha had, feeling like I had died, crossed over and was watching this drama unfold in front of me.
I have never been so fucking scared in my years of drug taking.
I'm left wondering what to do? I dont have the money to test this stuff, Ive emailed the vendor, and yet to get a response, they dont care.

I'm done with all RC's, I have been taking them for around two years, and this incident has truly rocked me to core of my existence, I feel so broken now.
That was my wake up call and frightening enough for me to walk away from it all.

Please don't be stupid like me, tread carefully, very carefully.
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i had a very similar situation i was withdrawling from lyrica and up for 2 days and i took acide then like 10 hourslater 20 trams(yeah i was a fucking retarded kid) and i thought my uncle killed me and shit and i never saw the son come out and no matter how far i walked it dident work, it was fuckign scary like the twilight zone
 
RCs are a dangerous game, the thought of massive organ damage from accidental overdose never fails to make me wary
 
RandomGuy123 said:
If you meant my "test" as literal testing then yeah, I might sound idiotic. But what I mean by testing is starting off in very low doses and working your way up, sorry but if you're impatient with these types of RC's, then you you're taking that chance.
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So you have the patience to sit there and take 1mg, wait two weeks, take 3mg, wait two weeks, take 5mg, etc? You realize that the lone/drone compounds are active in the 100+mg range, right? That's nonsense.
 
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