2C-E: One Dead and ten hospitalized.

[any major dude]

legislatures generally move quite slowly

 

[StickyChron]

I figured (and hoped) as much. I gotta finish my collection soon, and get enough of everything to last a while. At least til 2C-e2 or something is invented.

 

[Dr Farnsworth]

This seems odd to me, ive done 2ce along with numerous friend multliple times. Ive had a couple friends get sick and throw up but nothing like what they described.

Im guessing either they had no idea how much to take and took way to much or it wasnt pure 2ce.

As far as scheduling goes i would be pessimistic. JWH18/K2/Spice only has had 1 or 2 fatalities that i know about yet pretty much the entire state im in has banned it (and will arrest you) without the help of congress.

 

[greenmeanies]

No, the distinguishing factor is that you are 'taking' a carbon from the amine tail, and moving it over to the benzene ring, a completely different part of the molecule. That is not a positional isomer. I don't know what you call it, but it is something else.

Will some of the nomenclature experts chime in on this one?

i would call it a compositional isomer, as the total number of C, H, N, and O atoms are exactly the same (DOM and 2CE would give exact same %C results in a combustion test)

just like ethanol C2H5OH and dimethyl ether CH3OCH3 are compositional isomers, but they are in no way at all related as solvents or recreational drugs

 

[seagal26]

I figured (and hoped) as much. I gotta finish my collection soon, and get enough of everything to last a while. At least til 2C-e2 or something is invented.

Based on what I understand of 2c-e and my one foray into it,I think 500mg is enough for me. How do you define your collection as being finished? What chems, quantity are you after?

 

[Solipsis]

i would call it a compositional isomer, as the total number of C, H, N, and O atoms are exactly the same (DOM and 2CE would give exact same %C results in a combustion test)

just like ethanol C2H5OH and dimethyl ether CH3OCH3 are compositional isomers, but they are in no way at all related as solvents or recreational drugs

No they are actually called structural isomers or constitutional isomers. Personally I find the phenomenon pretty uninteresting, it doesn't seem to be relevant to anything but identical molecular weight. Oh yes I guess the elementary composition is also the same so that would matter for the combustion test. But when does that come up?

About this whole case: yes people die all the time, many incidents happen at student parties and most of them probably include alcohol - I'd bet good money on that. But it doesn't make it any less tragic, information should be spread as much as possible to narrow the gap between acquiring these drugs and understanding enough about them to use them responsibly.

Legislation usually does move slowly but incidents tend to throw fuel onto the fire. One-sided journalism caring too much about sensation without providing a proper perspective drives politicians to make a point. And what is easier than to sacrifice something that only a minority understands well, let alone stand up and protect. The majority is not interested in getting a grip on it, the illusion keeps standing that repressing such a problem will eliminate it.
Well at least they can say that when there is an incident with a drug that is made illegal the only people who are to blame are those involved in the incident.

Look at several Scandinavian countries, mostly Denmark and Sweden. If a kid dies after having taken a legal drug they tend to ban them relatively fast. Then they are removed from the public eye.

As much as I hate these things happening perhaps making it a little less easy to buy drugs as potent as these from the internet will prevent incidents by getting the threshold higher. If you do your best you can still find stuff but the chance could be lower that it is frat imbeciles who are looking to snort stuff and get crazy (as a figure of speech).

I used to be more liberal about this but now I am milder. Still, I am against illegalization and think much much more money should be spent to inform people about some basic dangers. That would put the responsibility back where it belongs although imbeciles remain a problem. Sorry but it may just be Darwinism, do not expect it to stop.

 

[teh1buck]

Others' incompetence ruin it for the rest of us.. will be stocking up soon.

 

[clubberdude]

I noticed something weird about this. There was a paragraph on the wikipedia page about the death a week or so ago, which appears to have been removed now.

Not quite sure what that means in real terms (such as suspect drug ID), but I found the observation interesting none-the-less.

 

[Termino]

Legislation usually does move slowly but incidents tend to throw fuel onto the fire. One-sided journalism caring too much about sensation without providing a proper perspective drives politicians to make a point.

Actually, I think that many politicians relish an opportunity such as this. They can make headlines by banning a little used substance - they have little to risk and much to gain. Taking on alcohol & tobacco is much riskier and they may loose support if they try such a ban.

 

[Shambles]

I noticed something weird about this. There was a paragraph on the wikipedia page about the death a week or so ago, which appears to have been removed now.

Not quite sure what that means in real terms (such as suspect drug ID), but I found the observation interesting none-the-less.

I would imagine it was removed as there's no actual evidence other than the media reports that 2C-E was actually involved so far. Until the toxicology results are known it's all just speculation and rumour.

 

[clubberdude]

Very true.

 

[Shambles]

And possibly the fact that the more details emerge about what happened the less likely it seems that it was 2C-E. To me anyway. Fella accused still had 8.9g of grey powder suspected as being the offending substance? Dished out like sweeties and presumably in massive doses? Just doesn't add up at all that it was 2C-E to me.

 

[twelvesevndi]

^yea it all seems very, very bizarre. presumably if it was 2c-e it was cut with something to ease the burn or mixed with another drug because, afaik, there is no need to ever travel around with multiple grams of pure 2c-e...i mean maybe at a festival but i can't imagine anyone selling multiple grams of 2c-e on a typical night in town...and 10 g would have been worth at least a $1,000 to this guy... why walk around with it? ...its not coke or molly or something that people are going to be impressed with...

another piece of the story (as I have pieced it together) that intrigues me: reportedly the dealer did a line of the substance, sold some doses, then attempted to leave the house. but he seems to have never made it past the front yard. i wonder if he actually knew what he had? or if he had ever done the substance in question before that night?

 

[Issac Sinclair]

^ I agree. What could be used as a common cut that would cause sudden death though?

I'm glad that this happened in a way. Some idiot died, and hopefully people will be a little more wary when they do drugs, but of course there will be many more who don't. The difference between us bluelighters and them are that we can use google, while they're off snorting Xanax and 2CE.

 

[twelvesevndi]

issac, my guess is that if it had been cut it was simply cut with a psychoactively inert powder... i saw 2c-b going around the North East like that a few years ago: it had been cut with an inactive powder of some sort, reportedly so that doses could be measured on regular weed scales like MDxx.... unfortunately there were conflicting reports of how potent the mixture was, totally defeating the point

but, yeah, if the powder contained 2c-e, and was grey, i assume it was cut with something but who knows what.

fwiw, my suspicion is that the young man ingested diluted 2c-e and began banging his head against the wall because the trip was too intense. i suspect some brain trauma occurred at this point and was complicated by his friends "knocking him out" (meaning either more trauma to the cranium or sedation on top of a mild concussion...both bad news afaik)

 

[DwayneHoover]

Would not put too much stock in description of powder as "grey". Sometimes a normally white RC can just become partially oxidized which may not affect potency, adding an off-white color... who knows who reported the color and how accurate that was... perhaps it was just bad lighting, also "gray" has hundreds of actual possible shades it could be so I would just ignore this info.

Fact the dealer himself supposedly did a line then ODed on that ("did not make it past front yard") is more reason IMO to believe he THOUGHT he was bringing something snortable in those volumes like mephedrone but somehow mixed up his stock and brought 2C-E by accident. Seems to fit all the scenarios if you ask me. Its VERY easy to do something like that, especially if one is prone to partying alot, being messed up, sleep deprived, many baggies with various things in them around, in a hurry to get to the party, etc etc. I myself recently accidentally did a massive OD of yohimbine (details above) and fortunately realized it and checked myself into ER... I now have a 1300 bill (insurance paid 3700) but its a good thing I went in because it probably would have killed me,

 

[Shambles]

My 2C-E is still brilliant white a good two years after buying it and after being stored in the worst possible situations but I suppose "grey" is in the eye of the beholder... but anyone who beholded my sample would not think it grey...

Even if the dealer was clueless he still had an enormous quantity of supposed 2C-E and was treating it like meph or the like. Is he rich enough or clueless enough to not notice the difference in price at least?

It is definitely not easy to confuse the two. Meph lines are huge and sting a bit. 2C-E lines would have just about anybody running screaming at 10mg or so. Even if some were incredibly insensitive to it all ten of them never noticed their nose was melting after the first specks hit the nasals? And none of those who sniffed it earlier noticed? I realise some drank it down in liquid but snorting still seems to be the way many took it according to reports. Makes no sense however you cut it.

FWIW, I once mixed up a 10g baggie of M1 with a 10g baggie of MDPV. I expected the latter and got the former. Neither hurt much to sniff. I still noticed the difference despite being on a multiday bender involving many substances. People aren't that fuckin' ignorant to not notice. Especially not when there are at least ten people involved.

 

[nopipesdfw]

I would imagine it was removed as there's no actual evidence other than the media reports that 2C-E was actually involved so far. Until the toxicology results are known it's all just speculation and rumour.

I am greatly suspicious myself of somebody dying from 2C-E, especially from snorting.

Even as somebody who has snorted big (under 30mg, seen MUCH bigger) lines of 2C-E on large amounts of downers I can say that burn is so ridiculously unavoidable (instant glass) that if you were thinking you were meph'ing you would have to start screaming sooner than later.

Not a coke user, but I have snorted lots of big piles of dissociatives and psychs.... that 2C-E is a prickler, I would suspect that somebody who could just accidentally bump a point of 2C-E could also not notice his dick getting run over by a train.

:D

 

[Hym3n]

Seems to me like these kids would be in so much panic from snorting such a mass quantity of an obviously undesirable chemical that they wouldn't take the time to go ahead and bust out some more of it. What kind of moron keeps going in a condition like that? Much less a large group. It just strikes me as odd that not even one person said "hey wait a second guys, this doesn't seem right" before it got to THAT point.

Hey nopipesdfw... can you send me a PM? I don't have enough posts to PM others, but wanted to ask you a quick question!

 

[THEALLKNOWING]

I just don't buy it I mean shit, you have to have someone who feels it burn, nobody snorts huge lines of this at once and if they do, they most likely throw up and are noticeably experiencing abnormal symptoms. This had to be something else unless they were drinking or doing something else that lapsed their judgement.

i believe punching walls and screaming would qualify as abnormal symptoms.my mouth dropped when i first started reading this thread when someone mentioned they had taken a gram of 2c-i before and a gram of 2c-e "respectivly" and both times the trips were aborted at the hospital.. there truely are some complete dumbasses hanging around this joint.i hate to bash people with lines,id rather bash them with my fist but lucky for some i cant reach through the computer.this guy that supplied the 2c-e to the party goers was found with almost 9 grams of 2c-e on him.wtf?! im sure the dumbass was choppin up rails . if you cant get off on 20-25mg you need to pick another drug.i pray natural selection catches up to some of you fast,before you get every other good drug out there banned.sorry for this post but i had to vent