2C-E/No Visuals?!

[bassmethod]

I recently took a 20mg dose, the onset was common to what i've read online, only no visuals. I noticed that 4 hours after my initial administering of the chemical, there were no visuals what so ever, although I did have an intense body high. I had taken 2C-I two days beforehand, so I attributed my lack of visuals to some tolerance ratio.
However, after about a week of no self-administered research chemicals, I decided to try 2C-E again, this time I tripled the dosage, 60 mg, (not very wise, I'm aware of this), I had some deeply intense body rushes, and a little insightful trances, but still no visuals. I'm just curious how often other people experienced this type of phenomenon? I thought it was very strange, considering the guy I took the first dose with had very distinguished visuals. Can anyone help me out here? I'd deeply appreciate it, thanks.

 

[Feste]

I only ever got very weak visuals from 2c-e, but it never agreed with me anyway.

 

[yellow_sunglasses]

I have only taken up to 25mg of 2c-e and could not take a higher dose due to extreme nausea. However I have never experienced strong visiuals on 2c-e, or many other substances including lsd. Two combos that did give me quite intense visuals were 2c-i + shrooms and 2c-d + lsd (I have written trip report for both if you are interested). I guess some people do not get many visuals while some people get very intense visuals. I am sure that if you had some nitrous handy next time it would give you some nice visuals though

 

[interleukin]

You only had body rushes and little insightful trances @ 60mg of 2c-e? Thats messed up. I'm pretty sure I would be completely gone at that dose.
Is it only 2c-e or do you not get visuals on any psychedelic?

 

[smellytim]

im not as ballsy as you but i took 2ce at 14mgs and didnt have any visuals either (or at least very minor visuals). im probably gonna up it to 16 in a week or two and try again.

i dont really have any advice for you though.- 60 mgs seems horrifyingly high and from what i hear about this chemicals steep dose response curve i would be scared as shit to try that high.

 

[2112acid]

You only had body rushes and little insightful trances @ 60mg of 2c-e? Thats messed up. I'm pretty sure I would be completely gone at that dose.
Is it only 2c-e or do you not get visuals on any psychedelic?

Yeah 60mg would send anyone over the edge

 

[Depressicaa]

Are you on amphetamines? I get very weak visuals on it, might be cross tolerance.

 

[RandomGuy123]

I have to take 20-30mg oral, then snort 20-30 later of 2c-t-2 to get visuals, quite an ego loss though.

 

[plusfourpirate]

youre not the first person ive heard say this. 2ce has proven to be one of if not the most visual
2c-x i have sampled. i start seeing the fireworks at ~20mg; 25mg always produces an intense visual and psychological experience. the most ive ever taken in one sesh was 30mg(25 oral,5 insufflated) andi found that too be a little too much as 2ce tends to make me trip in a delirious-like manner..too much confusion and strange thought loops..general disorientation.i dont even want to imagine what even 40, let alone 60, feels like, particularly bc of its steep dose-response curve. this is coming from someone who tried a large array of rc's and classic pychedelics, from dmt to TMA-2.

i tripped on it with 2 of my good friends not too long ago, all at 25mg, and while i was in the cosmos, they said the visuals were barely present and they found it overall uninteresting.the only thing i can attribute it to is that they use d-amphetamine daily and methamph frequently as well. cross tolerance is certainly possible. do you take amphs regularly?

also, are you on any medications, particularly anti-depressants?

other than those possibilities, is it possible your source cuts his product? have others sampled it*same batch) with successful results?

 

[Hallucinogens]

I question the legitimacy of the 2C-E.

 

[whoseanb]

I question the legitimacy of the 2C-E.

Oops, thought you were speaking of 2c-e in general.

 

[kobilica]

2C-E visuals are very weak for me too (while other friends are complaining because of sensory overload).

Experienced 5mg,10mg,15mg,20mg, also experienced with 2c-i and 2c-c and LSD.

2C-I is a bit more visual for me and LSD is quite good too.

 

[DwayneHoover]

There is DEFINITELY a cross tolerance between phenethylamines. Amphetamines are a phenethylamine. Daily use of an amphetamine will ABSOLUTELY dim the response to 2C psychedelics almost totally. Even daily use of ephedrine or synephrine or even pseudoephedrine, all over the counters legal stuff, and all also phenethylamines, will dull response to 2C drugs and reduce or eliminate their psychedelic effects. Both theory AND personal experience (dammit!)

 

[RandomGuy123]

It would be a shame miss out on such great experiences.

If you want for sure visuals, snort it, but be prepared to go through hell in back, this is only advised if you think you can handle it.

 

[TheAzo]

Visuals are not the central part of a psychedelic experience... visuals are nice, and i enjoy them as much as the next guy, but they're just icing on the cake, so to speak. The insight, shift in perspective, and from the hedonistic perspective, the joy in doing simple things is what it's about, not "seeing crazy shit".
To say that one is "missing out on such great experiences" because they don't get visuals is missing the point...

Some people do get weaker visuals than others on psychedelics in general, and get stronger visuals with different psychedelics. 2C-E is particularly visual, for _most_ people, but it's by no means unheardof to not get strong visuals from it. Some people are just less inclined to get strong visuals. 2C-T-2 is more visual for some, you might try that one. LSD is better visually (and on most other metrics) than any 2C though..

To OP who took 60mg 2C-E dose - I question the purity of your 2C-E, 60mg should have been way the hell stronger than you make it sound.

Don't snort 2C-E without testing a bit sublinqually, to see if the batch burns. I had my mouth burned (left a mark for several days) by 2C-E sublingually, and shutter to think what that would have been like snorted.

 

[RandomGuy123]

Visuals are not the central part of a psychedelic experience... visuals are nice, and i enjoy them as much as the next guy, but they're just icing on the cake, so to speak. The insight, shift in perspective, and from the hedonistic perspective, the joy in doing simple things is what it's about, not "seeing crazy shit".
To say that one is "missing out on such great experiences" because they don't get visuals is missing the point...

Some people do get weaker visuals than others on psychedelics in general, and get stronger visuals with different psychedelics. 2C-E is particularly visual, for _most_ people, but it's by no means unheardof to not get strong visuals from it. Some people are just less inclined to get strong visuals. 2C-T-2 is more visual for some, you might try that one. LSD is better visually (and on most other metrics) than any 2C though..

To OP who took 60mg 2C-E dose - I question the purity of your 2C-E, 60mg should have been way the hell stronger than you make it sound.

Don't snort 2C-E without testing a bit sublinqually, to see if the batch burns. I had my mouth burned (left a mark for several days) by 2C-E sublingually, and shutter to think what that would have been like snorted.

All 2c's burn up the nose, honestly it's the only way to make me feel the full potential of them.

 

[moe.ron]

I question the legitimacy of the 2C-E.

I know OP in this thing called "the real world" and it was definitely great 2c-e, I had fantastic visuals off of it and it even came with a MSDS, so the quality is not whats in question here. I had several fantastic trips off of it as did 2 or 3 other people. What i think the problem is, is he doesnt smoke weed because it gives him anxiety, panic attacks and paranoia. IME nothing breaks open the head like smoking buds during the trip. So ur kinda stuck if marijuana effects you negatively

 

[interleukin]

I know OP in this thing called "the real world" and it was definitely great 2c-e, I had fantastic visuals off of it and it even came with a MSDS, so the quality is not whats in question here. I had several fantastic trips off of it as did 2 or 3 other people. What i think the problem is, is he doesnt smoke weed because it gives him anxiety, panic attacks and paranoia. IME nothing breaks open the head like smoking buds during the trip. So ur kinda stuck if marijuana effects you negatively

Unless you got your 2c-e from some place like Sigma-Aldrich the inclusion of an MSDS doesn't mean anything with regards to the purity of the substance.
But if everyone was able to trip "normally" off 10-20mg of the substance and the OP had only a mild reaction to 60mg then it seems like he has developed some sort of cross tolerance.
Weed has nothing to do with it. I don't smoke and 10-15mg of 2c-e gives me a mild to moderately visual trip. 60mg would most likely cause amnesia and render most people catatonic.

 

[Depressicaa]

There is DEFINITELY a cross tolerance between phenethylamines. Amphetamines are a phenethylamine. Daily use of an amphetamine will ABSOLUTELY dim the response to 2C psychedelics almost totally. Even daily use of ephedrine or synephrine or even pseudoephedrine, all over the counters legal stuff, and all also phenethylamines, will dull response to 2C drugs and reduce or eliminate their psychedelic effects. Both theory AND personal experience (dammit!)

Would the half life of these drugs play a part into the potency of 2CE? I am on Dexedrine right now, I can't stop!

When would I be able to get a 'fresh' amount of visuals?

 

[brettonknight]

There is DEFINITELY a cross tolerance between phenethylamines. Amphetamines are a phenethylamine. Daily use of an amphetamine will ABSOLUTELY dim the response to 2C psychedelics almost totally. Even daily use of ephedrine or synephrine or even pseudoephedrine, all over the counters legal stuff, and all also phenethylamines, will dull response to 2C drugs and reduce or eliminate their psychedelic effects. Both theory AND personal experience (dammit!)

I take ephedrine often and get great visuals from 2ce. But I can definately attest that amphetamines (especially their after effects) significantly detract from trips of all kinds. The two types of drugs are counter intuitive for one thing.

I have always felt that the dosages people tend to reccomend are too low for me. I often insufflate 30-45mg to achieve desired effects and have taken up to 70mg and IV'd it (scary and awesome). Last time I checked the effects of one time amphetamine use are fairly long lasting (2 weeks to normal neurotransmitter levels) so it may be worth waiting at least that long before your last amphetamine use and your next phenethylamine use.