RCs 2C-E + MDMA + 2C-B : the Elias flip

[magicpsychonaut7]

Hello psychonauts.

I am passionate by combos of spiritual molecules like psychedelics, empathogens (3-MMC and stuff like that excluded) and dissociatives (PCP and wonky derivates excluded).

In my vision of psychonautism, combos are very usefull because molecules' effects complete each other, so you can reach new states of consciousness and go deeper.

One of my friend who is a french youtuber about the subject, initiate me to this domain of combos. He created a combo which is called Ali flip : LSD + MDMA + 2C-B. This combo is just magic. You can replace MDMA by 5-MAPB and 6-APB or even 5-APB and you can replace 2C-B by 2C-C, 2C-D, 2C-I, 2C-B-FLY. The aim of this combo is to combinate properties of a candyflip and a nexus flip. The magic is revealed when 2C-B kicks : it will have a parachute effect on the empathogen descent so you can experiment every benefices of a candyflip without this crash which come in the middle of the LSD experience and generally ruin the trip.

It is with this notions that I created my own combo : 2C-E + MDMA + 2C-B taken in this order. You can replace MDMA by 5-MAPB or 5-APB, but 6-APB should be a little too long for the 2C-E's duration. The aim of this combo is to have a more therapeutic effect than with an ali flip, and a trip similar to this last, but with a smaller duration (10-11h vs 14-17h for a ali flip), so it may be more adapted to people for who it's difficult to handle very long trips.

If you are curious I can explain you more things about timings of each molecules, and alternatives which other molecules, how to optimize etc.

 

[magicpsychonaut7]

When you combine MDMA with 2C-E, MD can exacerbate tensions in your body, and it's true that 2C-E do that alone, more than other psychedelics. But the solution is to take magnesium (bysglycinate form is the best for absorbtion), start a daily treatment with it 7 days before the trip (200-300mg/day) then you can take 600-700mg the day of the trip. Vitamine C is also great to reduce tension induced by those compounds.

I am also very interrested by the combo psychedelics + dissociatives but not have tried yet. Do you have discord or whatsapp to discuss about this more simply ^^

With the timings you done during your Ali flip (+ Ketamine), it is very normal that you didn't felt MDMA's negative impact because 2C-B took after MD cancel the descent, and ketamine do it also. Perfects timings for an Ali flip, so without K are generally :

H+0 dose of LSD
H+3 1/2 dose of MDMA
H+3h30 the other 1/2 of MDMA
H+5 dose of 2C-B

But if you can do it with 6-APB mamamia ! So much better. 6-APB is a f*cking gem alone so imagine in combo with LSD and 2C-B. 6-APB last 8 hours with a first part with is empathogen and from 4h30 after ingestion it become more psychedelic with a very slow descent. I've done an Ali flip with those timings and doses :

H+0 100ug of LSD
H+30 min 100ug of LSD (splited the dose to avoid a too big rise and facilitate the experience)
H+1h30 1/3 of 110mg 6-APB succinate (which is less potent than HCl so this dose is like 135mg of pure MDMA)
H+2 the other 2/3 of 110mg of 6-APB succinate
H+5h30 40mg of MDMA
H+6h30 20mg 2C-B

This combo was soooo great. But I think MDMA wasn't very usefull finally, I should have done 120mg of 6-APB with same timings and do 20mg of 2C-B at H+5h30

I’m a big fan of combinations as well. Once you’ve tried a bunch of substances and have a decent assortment available to you, you can get essentially endless possibilities when you start combining them. You start to get a feel for how the nature of each substance will affect the other substances and you can use this information to inform your dosage ratios and schedule to produce optimal effects. I particularly like doing this with dissociatives and psychedelics. I find each of these classes of substances most interesting to explore as each compound carries its own identifiable personality rather than just quantitative or simple categorical differences (benzos, opioids, and stimulants tend to be easily describable in their differences and don’t really produce very unique headspaces relative to each other). When combining dissociatives and psychedelics (i suggest taking the dissociative at the start of the comedown of the psychedelic), the unique characteristics of each substance can synergize with each other and take you into a very interesting and distinct headspace. That’s the main kind of combination I’ve been most interested in exploring as of late.

I’ve done 2C-B with 2C-E before (I can’t fully remember the doses or the rationale behind the amounts but i think it was something like 19mg 2C-E with 15mg of 2C-B). This was a fantastic trip for me. I could see this being a quite interesting combination, although I wonder how the 2C-E with MDMA feels. In my experience, 2C-E led to very high muscle tension and even pain, albeit I am sensitive to this type of bodyload and I naturally have joint pain that is often exacerbated by high bodyload psychs. Does the MDMA smooth that out at all, make it worse, or had no effect on 2C-E’s bodyload?

I have done an Ali flip before as well (i hadn’t heard it called this though), plus with ketamine at the end and nitrous throughout. I did 150ug LSD, 150 mg MDMA, 75 mg MDMA redose, 10mg 2C-B snorted, and a couple hundred mg of ketamine split over a few lines over a couple hours. The dosing schedule was easy to follow, 90 minutes in between every dose. It was very fun and it was very interesting to experience essentially 4 separate peaks of equal intensity but different effect. I had no issue with the MDMA negatively impacting the trip, potentially because of the redose prolonging its effects.