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2C-E: Good or bad first psych experience?

I've heard/read that tryptamines are much better for the inexperienced.
Kind of like comparing LSD/Shrooms(tryptamines) to Peyote(mescaline(phens)).... right? I would much rather try mushrooms before I eat cactus... I think....
I'd say it's the other way around, unless you're talking about some select synthetics (2C-I is rough, a beginner probably wouldn't want a DOx marathon trip, and definitely wouldn't want a bromo-dragonfly ultra-marathon trip and have to deal with possible nasty cardiotoxicity). It's just that shrooms and LSD are the most accessible psychs, and mescaline isn't very easy to get, even though it's supposed to be the best beginner psych. Shrooms are probably one of the worst novice psychs in my opinion, yet it's often the one people start with first since they're so available. Salvia's even worse and lots of people also try that as their first psych. Go figure.

I've heard lots of good things about 2C-E, even though I haven't tried it myself yet. I heard it's a bit edgy, but still pretty chill overall. Shouldn't be anything to worry about.
 
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I'd say it's the other way around, unless you're talking about some select synthetics (2C-I is rough, a beginner probably wouldn't want a DOx marathon trip, and definitely wouldn't want a bromo-dragonfly ultra-marathon trip). It's just that shrooms and LSD are the most accessible psychs, and mescaline isn't very easy to get, even though it's supposed to be the best beginner psych. Shrooms are probably one of the worst novice psychs in my opinion, yet it's often the one people start with first since they're so available. Salvia's even worse and lots of people also try that as their first psych. Go figure.

Salvia was my first....and I absolutely loved it. Prior to salvia, I only had experience with weed and salvia opened my eyes to what it's like to have your mind state signifcantly altered by a substance. That's when I started taking an interest in other things. All because of salvia.

So, if I liked salvia, would one be inclined to say I might love 2C-E? Keyword *might*.
 
So, if I liked salvia, would one be inclined to say I might love 2C-E? Keyword *might*.

Honestly? That's like comparing crack with ketamine. They're just totally different drugs that are very much their own thing. Salvia is completely alien, dissociated mindrape for me. 2C-E (for me) has a bodyfeel similar to MDMA and a headspace like good, clean acid only far less euphoric and emotional. Salvia is cold chaos for me whereas 2C-E is colourful clarity. YMMV but I really don't think you can extrapolate from Salvia to any other psyche as it's so utterly different and alien compared to any I can think of. The only thing I would say is that if you can handle the mental and physical onslaught of a heavy Salvia trip you can handle anything that any other psyche can throw at you :D
 
Honestly? That's like comparing crack with ketamine. They're just totally different drugs that are very much their own thing. Salvia is completely alien, dissociated mindrape for me. 2C-E (for me) has a bodyfeel similar to MDMA and a headspace like good, clean acid only far less euphoric and emotional. Salvia is cold chaos for me whereas 2C-E is colourful clarity. YMMV but I really don't think you can extrapolate from Salvia to any other psyche as it's so utterly different and alien compared to any I can think of. The only thing I would say is that if you can handle the mental and physical onslaught of a heavy Salvia trip you can handle anything that any other psyche can throw at you :D

Excellent advice. Thank you for answering!

Yes, I do love myself and those around me, probably a lot more than the average person. I have a very 'John Lennon' outlook on life, peace, love, and happiness, give peace a chance, etc.. I'm very sensitive to feelings (especially other's), and have been looked at as 'soft' and even have been assumed to be gay. Yeah, I've been told this, a few times... :! nothing against gays....I'm simply just not gay and don't want to be mistaken to be. It's probably because I'm so nice, sociable, caring and loving to others, unlike your average douchebag dude of my generation. I think the way people treat each other is sickening, and for some reason, me feeling that way is sickening to some people. Just goes to show...

However, do not let that fool you, because this gentle boy from Brooklyn right here will knock your fuckin teeth out in 0.5 seconds if confronted. =D
 
Half the time you seem perfectly normal and sociable, other times you seem like you're tripping balls.

I also read how you wouldn't do it again for recreation, I'm interest as to why you said this.
because of the intensity of the internal close eye journey i went on.
it wasnt like i was lookin into myself etc it was just amazingly intense CEVs
& was like an adventure. sometimes i had to open my eyes because it was intense as fuck.
i would like to try it again, with lsd, if i was trying to travel between dimensions.




Anything you'd like to add about your experience? You've got my attention. :)
it was great. absolutely impressed with this material.
not too strong, not weak by any means.
i liked that the headfuckery wasnt like acid. it had its own maniacal quality to it.
almost gigglin-on-shrooms -like.
i was able to see my pattern etc. patterns were amazing :)
so where shadows. i have a projector and the light was hitting the blue quilt and the bed
& the shadows had this kind of quality to them,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuKp7c6vPpk

i mean the shadows and the vision in general was like the lighting and colours (enhanced) in that video.
really nice.


I heard it's a bit edgy, but still pretty chill overall. Shouldn't be anything to worry about.
^this.
 
Salvia was my first....and I absolutely loved it. Prior to salvia, I only had experience with weed and salvia opened my eyes to what it's like to have your mind state signifcantly altered by a substance. That's when I started taking an interest in other things. All because of salvia.

So, if I liked salvia, would one be inclined to say I might love 2C-E? Keyword *might*.
I mean, there was always the possibility of you loving 2C-E period, you're not gonna know for sure until you've tried it. For the record, salvia was my first psychedelic experience too. It was a spur of the moment thing, I was taking a nap after having smoked and then my brother's friend comes over and asks "you wanna trip balls?". I said "hell yeah!" Dude, wrong answer... the extract he had was ridiculously potent. Potency + no tolerance + low body weight = OW, FUCK ME SIDEWAYS for way way way longer than an average salvia trip lasts.
 
yea. as for snorting it, it doesnt burn. amphetamine burns a bit, or tobacco burns a bit. this shit is like snorting a mix of strong acid (and not LSD acid, like burney acid), nails, glass and metal shavings.
DO NOT SNORT.
 
While my first trip was a hippy-flip my second was a 12.5mg (claimed; I didn't measure and it was in a liquid) 2C-E trip the week after and I found the entire experience extremely buzzy and found it impossible to sleep for like 4 hours due to muscle clenching. I'm new to BL but I may transcribe my report from it so others can get some insight.
 
My first 2C-E trip was the most intense experience of my life... if I wasn't an experienced psychedelic user I would have surely called an ambulance. As it is I was convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that my soul was unraveling, and it unraveled all the way to the void, complete lack of existence, just an eternity of desperate loneliness. I had to let go and expect to cease existing. Time seemed to stop and I lost all awareness for 20 minutes, like I blinked and the clock was 20 minutes later. And I was back in the world.

This was with 18mg and only happened once... but it's totally possible, and in my opinion you wouldn't want to have an experience of ego death for the first time with 2C-E. Mushrooms and LSD have a more warm and beautiful way of showing it, so I would recommend one of them first. Mushrooms can be extremely intense also, but once you let go it's more like you wake up and realize what you really are, and it's so much more than you thought, and you become filled with this cosmic love and amazement.

To be honest, I've gotten much, much stronger effects from 2C-E and from mushrooms as I ever have from LSD, but to be fair, I've never had a high dose of LSD.

Overall I have had more truly meaningful and intense trips from mushrooms than any other drug, only a few from LSD (though I am in need of a high enough dose to make that determinination), and usually much calmer, more friendly trips from 2C-E. But the fact remains that that one 2C-E trip is the hardest I have ever tripped on anything out of many chemicals and many trips.

I don't have any LSD reports, but I have a report on Erowid about my first mushroom trip (which was also my first psychedelic), and also about my first 2C-E (years later when I had more experience but hadn't tripped on many chemicals yet, and most of them I had tried only once. So you can read them both and that will give some more information on how I found my first trip with each to be. :)

Xorkoth's first mushroom trip
Xorkoth's first 2C-E trip

Read the mushroom one first. :)

My final thought for this is that generally, my 2C-E trips have been calm and peaceful and very interesting and thought-provoking... it's really good for working on things or generally experiencing things because it tends to give me a pretty constant stream of thoughts and concepts to link to whatever I'm experiencing. The body load is very psychosomatic, meaning that since I have a lot of experience with psychedelics, I am able to channel the 2C-E properly for there to be no bodyload, just warmth and calm. But when I had less experience it gave me a considerable bodyload which could be uncomfortable and sometimes frightening because its intensity made me feel uncomfortable, which manifested physically.

And that's another important thing to realize when you're tripping early on and especially for the first time: psychedelic come-ups are often very disorienting and unnerving because your reality is altering so drastically and unexpectedly. This can often cause strong anxiety... for me it manifests in these kinds of thoughts: oh no, I took too much! I'm poisoned! What have I done? I would give anything to just be normal again, why did I ever do this? I'm so stupid! I find that on the few times I've let that anxiety get the best of me and stopped believing that it would clear away once a stable peak is reached, I remain in this anxious, confusing state for the duration. But as long as I am able to keep the anxiety at bay and realize it's just the effects of this drug, and it will pass, then it all clears away after the come-up is done and I enter a stable and rich psychedelic experience. This will happen with any real psychedelic, some less than others. And it's also possible that you'll find it easy and just smoothly transition (being outside really clears things up and allows me to have more peaceful come-ups and trips).

So when I put together all of these points, my opinion is that 2C-E, out of mushrooms, LSD, and 2C-E, is the least good one to try as a first psychedelic, because of its long come-up (2 hours of potentially dealing with physical discomfort and anxiety), its potential for bodyload, and the potential of a truly mindblowing terror trip which, while very useful, was a nightmare to experience. For me, mushrooms would be the best. This is because mushrooms have a very fast come-up, though it can be intense (though it wasn't for my first mushroom trip that I linked to), and the state that it brings you to is the most beautiful and enlightening experience of my life. It's also more likely I find to reach that sort of place more consistently with mushrooms than the other two... I've had very wide-ranging trips on LSD and 2C-E and although every trip with everything is always different, I have pretty reliably been able to feel that intense connection to Earth and the universe and nature, a very spiritual and cleansing experience.

And to top it all off, your mileage may vary - everyone is affected differently by anything. So all we can do is share our experiences as clearly as possible so we can all be able to read through many reports and get at least some sort of idea of what we might be in for when we use something. :) But your experience with all of these drugs might be totally different than mine is.
 
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2C-I was my first psych. (besides numerous DXM and nitrous uses, a couple very very light morning glory seed trips, HBWR/Syrian rue combo, which was only lightly psychedelic, and mostly made me sick and very very tired, and an absolutely horrific nutmeg trip. and a couple other really really light trips that I didn't count at all.) Watching the Marx Brothers was literally the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life, and the next day I was kind of depressed because I knew that I'd never laugh that hard ever again... But it was awesome.

2C-E was my second psych, and on my third (real) psychedelic experience (not counting one terrible JWH freak-out), I ate 13-14 mg 2C-E and ~5 mg 2C-I and saw Alice in Wonderland in 3D at midnight, the day it came out. I was out of my mind the whole movie, but in the best way possible.

2C-E is a very good beginner psych imo. I'd say take 15 mg for your first time. 10's just not nearly enough. Like I took 9 mg before school once, and was totally functional, almost sober. Only thing that gave me away is my goddamn pupils. lol.

I've never done shrooms, but 2C-E is much gentler than 4-AcO-DMT imo.

EDIT: Never done Salvia, but have much experience with 5-MeO-DMT, and honestly, I think even that could be a good beginner psych. I gave some to this girl who had never tripped before, and she loved it!
 
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my first psy was 2ce. honestly it was cool but the hot cold thing kind of sucks, plus you can't really move much because you get sick and the trip is too dark
 
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EDIT: Never done Salvia, but have much experience with 5-MeO-DMT, and honestly, I think even that could be a good beginner psych. I gave some to this girl who had never tripped before, and she loved it!
The only problem with trying DMT or 5-MeO-DMT as your first psych is knowing that any other psych you try after that isn't gonna be anywhere near as crazy unless it's a thumbprint.
 
The only problem with trying DMT or 5-MeO-DMT as your first psych is knowing that any other psych you try after that isn't gonna be anywhere near as crazy unless it's a thumbprint.

In a certain sense that may be but thats a mostly false statement. I could go on for a while with different things but I think you'll get the picture if I just say LSD+5-MeO-DMT.
 
You guys are awesome with the responses. I gotta be honest, I never expected a DRUG forum to be so mature and respectful. All the car forums and game forums I have ever been on were nothing but flame fests.

Anyway, I would like to do this for the first time with my friend who's a bit more experienced with psychs, however our schedules clash big time and my curiosity is killing me. I don't want to wait several weeks with these little capsules sitting on my desk in my room, staring at me with their little eyes, talkin' shit from inside their bottle. Arrogant little bastards, I'm going to eat the shit out of you... :)

I bought a 0.001g scale yesterday to measure the stuff out, as well as other things in the future. Unfortunately, either this thing is broke, I'm not using it correctly, or it's a piece of crap because I just could not seem to get a consistent measurement out of it. Even with the calibration weights, it was off by several milligrams. I tried calibrating it 3 or 4 times, and still it is inaccurate and inconsistent. I weighed an empty capsule, and it was teetering around 78-79mg, so I figure it weighs ~80mg. I would put a little bit of powder into the capsule, tap the capsule on its side on the table to even it out as best as possible, and place it in the center of the scale. The numbers would jump around significantly (anywhere from 2-6mg, sometimes almost 10mg off) depending on where it was on the scale and the even-ness of the powder inside. Is this normal or am I just doing something wrong?

I set myself up several capsules, none ever reporting over 18mgs even with the crazy number jumps. They all averaged out to about 12-14mg and when averaging the numbers I would assume the actual weight was 2-3mg higher, just to be safe..

The thing that scares me the most is when I place the 10g calibration weight on the scale, sometimes the reading would be over 15mg off..even right after a calibration..always underweight. It never hit the measurement on the head.
 
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Also, question: I forgot to add, I have done many whip its (the little cartridges you buy at head shops and also duster) while on MDMA, and one time I hit a point where I felt something "click" in my head, and I looked around and suddenly my friends looked like strangers. This kinda scared the shit out of me because I wasn't expecting it.

Was this just a bad reaction, or is this normal when "tripping"? This simple one experience made me decide to never, EVER do that crap again. Now that I think back....ewwww duster...really? Probably just a poor decision while rolling face... :)
 
Remind me to make a post about using .001g scales that aren't super expensive sometime soon, but right now I don't have the time.
 
Duster is an incredibly bad idea under any circumstances - permanent brain damage isn't worth a shitty high. Nitrous potentiates the living shit outta psyches and can be overwhelming but it is also brief if you don't enjoy the effects. But it is completely safe other than strapping a mask to your face and suffocating or with insane levels of abuse way beyond what the vast majority would ever even consider doing.
 
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