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2C-E -- first time -- Mixed feelings

bluedolphin

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Here begins my long-delayed 2C-E experiment. After quite a bit of experience with 2C-I, 2C-B, 2C-D, and 2C-C, I've finally decided to give this a go. Perhaps what took me so long is the fact that I don't find 2C-I, 2C-B, or 2C-D to be outstanding psychedelics. But I really do enjoy 2C-C.

And having the impression that 2C-E is the most "serious" of this bunch, I didn't want to take it on a whim. About a year ago I tested 3-4mg of 2C-E just to see if I thought it had good or bad body energy. The result of this experiment was boring threshold effects on both mind and body. Since then I put this chemical on the back burner.

But, most people seem to think 2C-E is better than all the other 2C-x chems I've tried. So what the hell. I was thinking of taking LSD today, but that can always wait :)

I decided to take 12mg just in case I am more sensitive to this chemical than the average person. Also, I don't feel like an extremely heavy trip today. We'll see!

10:55am

12mg 2C-E weighed on a milligram scale, ingested in a gel cap.

11:25am

There is a phenethylamine in me, I can tell that much. Very minor first alerts.

11:40am

I guess I'm feeling almost a bit sedated. But it is comfortable. My stomach feels fine. Very slight visual effects... like a "softening" of objects and maybe a little bit of movement, are developing. My heart rate is normal, if not slightly relaxed. I'm going to go lie down and put some music on in anticipation of this chemical developing more fully.

11:58am

The ceiling is starting to crawl a bit. My palms are getting a bit clammy. The change in mindspace is still pretty mild, but I do feel a bit stoned. A body feeling is starting to manifest. It feels good, as if some euphoria might be on the way. My stomach feels okay. I think I'm actually a little hungry but I dare not eat anything at this point. With my eyes closed there is "something" starting to happen, but it's completely undefined at this point.

12:05pm

My palms and armpits are getting a bit sweaty now. And I can feel it quite a bit more in my head than just a few minutes ago. Getting off the computer until the next update.

12:20pm

Well, now I am getting a bit more restless. I've gone through several selections of music, and while they do seem "enhanced", they are also kind of irritating me. I prefer silence at the moment. I lit some incense and it made me sneeze, so I put it out. I'm at a good ++ right now, and it seems like it's still creeping on.

Feels very neutral. I am neither especially enjoying myself nor do I regret taking this substance. The visuals aren't especially unique... probably closest to 2C-D (out of 2C-C, 2C-I, and 2C-D to choose from), but there seems to be more stuff floating in the air. Almost like a thin smoke, especially around light surfaces. My body feels fine, and I feel much more awake now. I don't really know what to do with myself at the moment, so I guess I'll just go lie down on the couch.

12:45pm

I'm pretty sure this is fully developed by now. Lying on the couch was actually quite nice. A nice buzz/body euphoria developed and squirming around with a blanket felt pretty good. Mentally, I'm still feeling pretty clear. But definitely analyzing things more than usual. Like, I almost ate a Maalox because my stomach was churning a little (but far from the point of nausea or discomfort), but then I ended up staring at the Maalox for a few minutes and decided to put it back in the bottle.

It seems like I can direct this "trip" into one of several options:
1. Focus on the body energy and enjoy that.
2. Zone out with the visuals >>> which aren't *that* impressive, but unique
3. Analyze random things that normally wouldn't occupy my interest
4. Focus the energy more into my head and get a more "mental" buzz

The neutrality is starting to give way to a little bit of positivity...

Still very easy on the body, although I am sweaty in the armpits and this chemical has turned from mildly sedating to mildly stimulating.

It goes back and forth between a medium ++ and a light +++. Seems to depend on what I'm doing.

1:10pm

Well, I certainly wouldn't have guessed I'd actually want to spend so much time writing about my 2C-E "trip" during the experience. Yet, for whatever reason, I actually seem to "trip out" more sitting here at the keyboard than I do relaxing on my couch or wandering around. So, I guess I'll do away with time-stamping these entries (on the assumption that I've reached the plateau, which it seems like I have). I'll make a note when it seems like it's coming down.

Oh yeah, I was going to mention, this stuff definitely seems to have entity potential. Like, there are flashes of light and other strange seemingly-autonomous visual phenomena that remind me of some mushroom trips or even my pharmahuasca experience at times. I wouldn't be at all surprised if, with a few more milligrams of this stuff, whatever these things are started to really take shape and form.

CEVs are more pronounced now. But still not vibrant or flashy. And nothing really unique there.

OEVs have become more interesting. Almost like the drug (or my mind) realized I could really care less about squirming carpets and ceilings and has adjusted to grab my attention in other ways. Such as colors changing on surfaces, and a very interesting visual phenomenom that seems to come from the "visual smoke" I mentioned earlier. This "smoke" now seems to be rearranging itself into more defined patterns... well, all of a sudden typing has become a burden, so I'm going to wander around and see what's good.

Interesting fluctuations between + and +++ levels of intensity, only minutes (sometimes seconds) apart! Like, I think I could almost snap myself out of this and sober up if I needed to... but then again, I wouldn't count on it...

Hopefully 2C-E isn't as weird with my digestive system as other 2C-x chems can be. I really need to eat something. I think a banana should be a pretty safe bet.

It's a pretty dreary day out. Cold, rainy, with snow melting away into mud puddles. But I found staring out my open window, listening to the sound of nature and getting some breaths of fresh air.... well, I don't know what I found it. Very interesting.... neutral?.... no, definitely "nice".

Oh yeah, I was going to eat a banana.

"Refreshing"! That's the word I was looking for. Maybe I'll actually get around to eating a banana soon. This chemical is actually starting to feel, at least psychologically, more healthy-than-not.

Those bananas definitely needed to ripen more. So I ate a carrot. It was good. "Refreshing".

I am starting to think, as I suspected before even getting started, that I am somewhat limited by my surroundings. I have a small living space and it's a wet, cold, windy, muddy day outside. Looking out the window I experience feelings of synchrocity with all these elements of nature. I would much rather be outside on a nice day with this particular psychedelic.

Music was actually irritating me before.... but I just put on the track "To Sheila" by the Smashing Pumpkins. Damn, that was a good whim! This really sounds quite amazing.

I think this drug is making me VERY partial to slower, more melodic and harmonic types of music. I think as long as I choose which music I listen to with this discretion in mind,... well, it sounds awesome! Perhaps if you don't like Billy Corgan's voice, you might not want to repeat this experiment for yourself.

Music sounds very rich... extra-dimensional, even. Well, I am sitting in the middle of a surround sound setup. But it sounds better, for sure ;)

And a definite wave of euphoria just washed over me... I think I'll listen to this whole album.

Green tea is a good beverage =D

Feelings of emphathy? Strange, I was feeling decidedly anti-social just a couple hours ago. This chemical seems to have a lot of sides. Gives me good perspective to think about all kinds of things. I don’t feel like going much into my personal life, but I will say that even more difficult / emotional topics aren’t bothering me in the slightest.

It’s now 2:35pm. Time seems to be passing pretty slowly.

The guitar solo in “For Martha” was pretty damn cool!

My mindspace is now somewhat similar to a low dose of LSD… but, more relaxed. But the feelings of openness and synchrocity are there. It is now 3:00pm and I believe I’m starting to come off the peak. But it’s hard to tell because this drug has been hitting me in waves since it started working.

I am impressed at how good my body feels. Any tension is *very* slight, certainly less than very clean LSD or even 2C-C can be. My heart rate is a little elevated, but not to the point where I even notice unless I check. I have a feeling my stomach would be upset if I ate a bunch of greasy food. But my stomach would rather take this over 2C-I any day.

Might as well mention that normally I’d have hit the ganja pipe a couple times by now, but I’m cutting back on my ganja consumption. Besides, I don’t think it would mix that well with the peaceful mindstate of this trip. Why mess with a good thing?

I should also note that any feelings of mental or physical euphoria during this trip were not consistent, but came in waves and tended to be fleeting. It’s strange how this pleasant “buzz” works its way through my body, and then to my mind (right now it seems focused in my third eye), but I certainly have no complaints about it.

4:30pm

Same as I was a couple hours ago. Been chatting online a lot and not paying much attention to the trip, really. I think I'm going to watch some CNN.

4:50pm

Any positive feelings from this trip are pretty much gone. I am now at a +/++, back and forth. I wouldn't mind if it were over now. At this point the residual tension (though minor) and visuals are more of a burden than anything. I have a feeling I'll have several more hours of light psychedelic effects though.

At this point it's not much different from the comedown of 2C-I.

I'm surprised the "positive" part of this trip seemed to take place during only a few hours, though it felt like longer. Tension and heart-rate seem to be increasing slightly as the good psychedelic effects are wearing off.

The buzz still feels nice, especially centered in my third-eye. But I'm not in a very good mood. I find this kind of lingering psychedelic effects to be kind of a nuisance, more than anything. I'd rather be sober... but it's not really a big deal.

Maybe I should turn off CNN...

5:45pm

Watching some Simpsons put me back in good spirits. I'd say the trip is pretty much over. There is a bit of minor residual stimulation and mild jaw tension. My third eye still feels a bit "buzzed".

I don't think there will be much, if anything, to integrate from this experience. It was mostly nice, and mostly interesting. My general impression of 2C-E, at least at this doseage level, is that it is an excellent psychedelic.

However, it would be even better if it were less stimulating. I find the body load overall to be about on par with LSD, but with a bit less tension.

In spite of this, I'm not sure I'll ever take 2C-E again. A low dose of LSD would be more interesting and insightful for me. I also find a low dose of DOC to be generally superior to this, having more euphoria and psychostimulation. Between LSD, DOC, and mescaline every couple years, I think I've got my lengthy trips covered.

I have no doubt that this chemical would be something to reckon with at higher doses. I'm just don't think I need to see this for myself.

Don't get me wrong though, this is an excellent psychedelic! But there are ones that I like better.

2C-C remains my favorite 2Cx :)
 
Been waiting to hear what you thought of 2C-E. In the set and setting you took it in, I can understand why you were not as taken by 2C-E as I was. But take it from a VERY seasoned LSD tripper....don't write off the 2C-E just yet...with the right dosage, set, and setting, 2C-E offers something very special that LSD just can't with compete with.

You remarked in your report that the setting was less than spetacular. I can imagine. It kinda sounds to me like you took it because you were bored and it was rainy outside/nothing to do.

All of my 2C-E experiences were outdoors (two during day and one at night) in the stunning setting of the Colorado wilderness. I can not imagine (nor would want to) having to go through those experiences anywhere else but where I was. I think I would be very uncomfortable indoors on 2C-E, but then I have grown to hate tripping indoors in general.

And I never actually thought about taking 2C-E by myself until this report, and now I am sure I never would. There is a definite emotional and empathetic aspect to 2C-E that (obviously) requires the company of someone else to be fully realized. With LSD, I think I almost prefer to be on it by myself. No distractions.

But never with 2C-E.

My last 2C-E experience (at 20mg) was probably the most powerful and special trip of my life (not counting my 2C-T-7 5-MeO-DMT experiences). The sheer force and power of 2C-E at that level was mind boggling, but there was never any threat or tension. And to stand on that mountain top while watching the Great Spirit paint the world was a special experience indeed.

Chuck the rest of the 2C-E in the freezer. But in a few years when the time is right, and you are with the right person, and in the right place....remember the 2C-E in the freezer (and bring it along ahead of time just in case you go far!)

Trust me! ;)
 
^^
I can imagine. I was previously planning to take the 2C-E outside on a nice warm sunny day, but some of the talk in the 2C-P Big and Dandy kind of rekindled my interest.

I did feel drawn to the outdoors, even though it was a weird-weather day, so I'll certainly not be taking this one again inside. I can easily see the potential for this chemical to induce a ++++ experience, surrounded by nature.

But, I'm also at a point, I guess, with so many psychedelic experiences under my belt, that I'm not really looking to get my mind blown up over and over again. I have a short-list of psychedelics that I've found to be reliable allies... and of course a pretty long list of psychedelics that I no longer have any interest in.

I guess, what it comes down to is the fact that I think LSD is simply better than anything else I've tried. And, if I had the chance to trip on a mountain top, I'd probably go with what I *know* would lead to an amazing experience. LSD has never lost its magic for me, and as long as I don't use it too often, I suspect it never will.

But, I have quite a bit of respect for your experiences, writing, and general outlook towards the psychedelic condition. So, I suppose I'll save me a dose for a sunny day :)
 
Believe me,I know where you are coming from. My psychedelic experiences have slowed beyond a trickle...in 2005 I had a grand total of one +2 level mushroom experience, and a little bit of 2C-C when camping in August to add to my belt. And I too tend to go for lower dosages.

I seldom find myself recommending anything to anyone, but definitely don't give up on it completely. And as long as you will save some for a sunny day, I am happy. :)
 
morninggloryseed said:
And I never actually thought about taking 2C-E by myself until this report, and now I am sure I never would. There is a definite emotional and empathetic aspect to 2C-E that (obviously) requires the company of someone else to be fully realized. With LSD, I think I almost prefer to be on it by myself. No distractions.

But never with 2C-E.

I took 18mg of 2C-E by my own once, and that was probably the most impressive experience i've had so far. As 2C-E is "neutral" and very insightful i think it's a good candidate to take it by your own. LSD has, for me, a darker side and i always appreciate to have some friends around. But as always, YMMV.
 
Does 16-18mg of 2C-E have a more significant body load than 12mg?

I found the stimulation manageable, however if it became much more than it was at a higher dose, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable experiencing both a powerful trip and negative body feelings at the same time.

Two benefits of 2C-C and LSD... the body load is usually very manageable even at high enough doses to produce a strong +++ trip.
 
bluedolphin said:
Does 16-18mg of 2C-E have a more significant body load than 12mg?

I've only taken it at 16mg, 18mg, and 20mg. THe bodyload is pretty much the same...20mg wasn't any more rough than 16mg. FOr me, the first hour of 2C-E is a little difficult....lots of chills, stimulation, and I recall a vague sense of unease. It's about the same as LSD is for me. But like LSD, it always went away by the time the peak started to hit. The uncomfortable phase never lasts longer than an hour, and once the peak hits the body feels great.

In general, the body effects of 2C-E were never annoying or bothersome....2C-T-2, 2C-N, and even 2C-I are much harder on the body than any dosage of 2C-E I've taken.
 
2C-E turned out to be one of my personal favorites. I believe your setting did have alot to do with how your experience turned out. I can't imagine taking 2C-E indoors.

6mgs for me sent me to a full +++ experience (possibly because of my body chemistry at the time, setting, etc..).

12mgs was the dose I chose for my first time with 2C-E. It blew me away visually and mentally. It was an amazing psychedelic experience. I'll never forget the visuals I got that night. I had never seen anything like it.

16mgs sent me into a full hallucinogenic world filled with philosophy, physics, intense perceptual changes, visions, alternate realities, fantasy scenarios, visual painting over real objects, deep introspection, and even empathy (especially during the end of the experience).

Odd enough, the end of my 2C-E experiences reminded me of MDMA even though the peak is often filled with very dark images, intense, mind blowing visuals, visions, and a fully enveloping fantasy-like experience as deep and surreal as Mescaline.

Even at 16mgs I felt very comfortable in my body and mind. There were very brief moments of fear typically caused by the intensity of a psychedelic experience, though it dissipated quickly with 2C-E as if there was a positive mood push unlike the fear associated with Psilocybian mushrooms and LSD.

18mgs was a completely different experience for me. A mere 2mgs above my highest dose was enough to blast me into a headspace as amazingly frightening as a 5-MeO-DMT experience. Before the peak even hit, I looked up at the sky and could barely recognize this place as planet Earth. I had complete ego loss during the peak. It was up there with my most intense experiences.
 
I always found it took too long to peak for me (around 4 hours) and when the peak comes it comes and goes in waves, and is quickly back on the way down... Lasts aaages too.
 
Hey bd, coming back to BL and reading one of your trip reports is like settling into an old favorite armchair I haven't sat in for a while.

I second and third MGS on the "dont' give up yet" sentiment. My first 2-3 experience with 2C-E were kind of unremarkable, but it repays patience and careful mental attention. I think Shulgin called it the "Teacher" because like being taught by a master, you get out of it what you put in. The more you listen and ask questions in an open and mindful way, the better the experience.

2C-E and 2C-T-7 are the only two phenethylamine psychedelics that I would always want in my back pocket, so to speak. And if I had to pick one of those, 2C-E would win easily.

Although, I did have an experience with 2C-D some time ago that made me question my tofu-like first impressions of that chemical. 60mg of it was in no way as intense as even 16mg of 2C-E, but the teachings were there nonetheless, just more subtle.

As part of finding a better environment next time, I really recommend planning an activity that encourages you to activate your mind more. My most rewarding memories of 2C-E are all times when I was really contemplating something, and being shown sides of it that I never saw before.

vb
 
bluedolphin said:
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Well, I certainly wouldn't have guessed I'd actually want to spend so much time writing about my 2C-E "trip" during the experience. Yet, for whatever reason, I actually seem to "trip out" more sitting here at the keyboard than I do relaxing on my couch or wandering around.


"There is not much connection between my head and my body... but I can still type and very fast too, much faster than normal... I couldn't possibly get out of this chair right now, I couldn't walk, all I can do is type... The little red indicator that moves along with the ball on this typewriter now appears to be made of arterial blood. It throbs and jumps along like a living thing.

... stay away from the phone, watch the red arrow... this typewriter is keeping me on my rails, without I'd be completely adrift and weird.

... much harder to type now, but it must be done, this is my handle, keep the brain tethered, hold it down. Any slippage now could cause a landslide, losing the grip, falling or flipping around..."

-Hunter Thompson's first mescaline trip

I too have found the act of writing, whatever it may or may not be about, to be a very grounding experience in the trip. Thought spirals are such strange experiences, it does indeed help keep the brain 'tethered'. In addition, you also get to record some otherwise completely unrecoverable thoughts, whether you try a minute later, or attempt after the trip has ended.

Nice report. :)
 
Im going to agree with MGS and Victor and say that you should hold on to the little bit that you have.
You have probably guessed by now that LSD is my favorite psychedelic of the ones that ive tried (20+). But 2c-e is right behind it.
It gave me one of the most amazing experiences of my life. Feeling very tuned in to what you call "the god energy." And also giving me some of the most amazing visuals i have ever experienced.
Save this for some time when you are feeling better and are in a good place. Im sure you will see why so many people like this one.
I also recomed you take a higher dose.
For me 16mg didnt really provide much as far as insights and visuals go. But 20mg was an experience that was almost overwhelming in ways.
Anyway, save it for another day.
peace,
cat
 
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