2C-C-NBOMe vs 25D-NBOMe
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herbata_yanga
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25C is IME just a toy, even in dose of 1 mg.
25D is true psychedelic, 2 mg in second of my two trips gave me priceless ++++ experience.
And yes. 25D is way more visual in good dose.
25D is true psychedelic, 2 mg in second of my two trips gave me priceless ++++ experience.
And yes. 25D is way more visual in good dose.
Well there was a day when comparison threads were not allowed I think, although that has always been dubious. As long as it is not obviously meant to select something from the menu of a vendor I am certainly okay with it. I absolutely do recall some posts made about this specific comparison between these two in those Big & Dandy's though but I can understand if it is not sufficient.
You will see a lot of NBOMe's being discussed criss-cross, especially in the threads about the more rare ones. It's understandable and we shouldn't want to do something about it. There is something appealing about the idea of a general comparison thread, from 2C-X comparisons by BL users I must say I have gotten descriptions of pretty distinct characters right next to each other in the same place. Quite handy and a number of things seem to approximately unanimous, or widely agreed on.
With the NBOMe's there has been discussion about whether they are qualitatively any different at all or that there might be some theory to say that the only thing differing is duration. But there has also been discussion about the duration possibly being almost the same for all of them because they depend on the metabolism of the bomamine moiety. At this point I don't believe either of those anymore. From what I can tell all of them sound different, and the duration varies as well. Though it does NOT seem to vary as much as with their 2C-X counterparts.
This might become an NBOMe subthread, please notice that the family of compounds has their own index even if it is a teeny one at this point.
I'll be interested to see how much of a future these compounds have, if there will be (near-)fatal incidents soon or not soon at all? If they will gain any widespread popularity. Anyway drifting off topic now.
People with experience are very welcome to chime in now!
25D sounded worthwhile and DOM-like for a good while, but 25C seemed significantly more popular... being described as something that I might summarize as ideal or almost. But apparently 25D can seriously be superior. The best would be not to dismiss any too soon and consider them worthwhile in their own way like we ought to do with a lot of other psychedelic, even most of them.
Could also mean it is really promising to check out the other NBOMe's as well, but some like 25E and 25N got a bad reputation. It can be extemely skewing to use only a handful of 'datapoints' / 'bio-assays' to say something like that though.
You will see a lot of NBOMe's being discussed criss-cross, especially in the threads about the more rare ones. It's understandable and we shouldn't want to do something about it. There is something appealing about the idea of a general comparison thread, from 2C-X comparisons by BL users I must say I have gotten descriptions of pretty distinct characters right next to each other in the same place. Quite handy and a number of things seem to approximately unanimous, or widely agreed on.
With the NBOMe's there has been discussion about whether they are qualitatively any different at all or that there might be some theory to say that the only thing differing is duration. But there has also been discussion about the duration possibly being almost the same for all of them because they depend on the metabolism of the bomamine moiety. At this point I don't believe either of those anymore. From what I can tell all of them sound different, and the duration varies as well. Though it does NOT seem to vary as much as with their 2C-X counterparts.
This might become an NBOMe subthread, please notice that the family of compounds has their own index even if it is a teeny one at this point.
I'll be interested to see how much of a future these compounds have, if there will be (near-)fatal incidents soon or not soon at all? If they will gain any widespread popularity. Anyway drifting off topic now.
People with experience are very welcome to chime in now!
25D sounded worthwhile and DOM-like for a good while, but 25C seemed significantly more popular... being described as something that I might summarize as ideal or almost. But apparently 25D can seriously be superior. The best would be not to dismiss any too soon and consider them worthwhile in their own way like we ought to do with a lot of other psychedelic, even most of them.
Could also mean it is really promising to check out the other NBOMe's as well, but some like 25E and 25N got a bad reputation. It can be extemely skewing to use only a handful of 'datapoints' / 'bio-assays' to say something like that though.
herbata_yanga
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Hm, didn't try 25N, but 25E was very unique - in positive way.
And perhaps most unique psychedelic I've tried (I mean visuals and headspace). While it wasn't powerful it was nice and there was some kind of weird spiritual atmosphere. And no negative body load whatsoever (the dose was 990 micrograms).
Na'vi
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I've got some 25D on the way, very excited as I've heard wonderful things about it. I've heard good things about 25C as well, but relatively very little about the other NBOMe compounds. Will be interesting to hear how they compare with the others.
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Na'vi
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Just enough for a couple of trial runs. Dosage depends on ROA - I'm going to put an 800mcg blotter on my gum and see how it goes. If you're sniffing it you need less to get the same effects. I hear 800mcg buccal will not produce full blown effects, but it's wise to start low. Duration seems to be between 4 and 6 hours from the reports I've seen.
Na'vi
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I intend to write a trip report, but it might be a couple of weeks until I get a chance to try it.
Does anyone know anything about the solubility of these chems?, dosage and route of adminstration would be the best?. Also do I have to use dh2o or can I use normal h2o to dilute? and finally about the storage of these chems in different forms?
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i have no first-hand experience with either of these chems.
but i have noticed people mention the existence of both a salt (HCl) that should be very soluble in water (near the 100mg/mL that some 2C-X HCl can do) and also a freebase that does not dissolve in neutral water at all. If yours turns out to be freebase, a few drops of white vinegar should do the trick.
Tap H2O does contain chlorine which is inadvisable, but probably not as damaging as with LSD. For immediate application tap H2O should be fine.
but i have noticed people mention the existence of both a salt (HCl) that should be very soluble in water (near the 100mg/mL that some 2C-X HCl can do) and also a freebase that does not dissolve in neutral water at all. If yours turns out to be freebase, a few drops of white vinegar should do the trick.
Tap H2O does contain chlorine which is inadvisable, but probably not as damaging as with LSD. For immediate application tap H2O should be fine.
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Not to be mean or anything, but read the 2 other threads on this topic where it's been discussed over and over again.
HCl salts are very soluble in H2O (~10mg/ml) with some sonication, stirring, and heat. I would use filtered water at least, metal ions in the tap water are probably not a great thing. The freebase is insol. in water.
Compounds are very stable but should be kept from heat and light as usual.
ROA is snorted/plugged > buccal (cheeks, gums) > sublingual. Basically inactive through oral dosing.
HCl salts are very soluble in H2O (~10mg/ml) with some sonication, stirring, and heat. I would use filtered water at least, metal ions in the tap water are probably not a great thing. The freebase is insol. in water.
Compounds are very stable but should be kept from heat and light as usual.
ROA is snorted/plugged > buccal (cheeks, gums) > sublingual. Basically inactive through oral dosing.
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But the freebase is likely somewhat less stable.
Coolio
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I tried about 1mg of each and I didn't enjoy the 25C, but the mild 25D experience I had makes me feel this might be one of my all time favorites, up there with 2C-T-7, DOC, AMT, etc. I am probably not going to explore 25C-NBOMe more but I will def take 25D-NBOMe higher soon. I'm also going to try the 25I-NBOMe soon, which sounds better than 25C but maybe not as good as 25D.
Did you not enjoy 25C because the dose was either too high or too low? You eyeballed it correct?
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Big & Dandy threads >>>
Let's keep the discussion here regarding the comparison of 25C-nbome and 25D-nbome... and possible other nbome comparisons.
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25C was on blotter, taken sublingually. 25D was snorted, eyeballed.
I just didn't enjoy the sense effects of 25C... it was very neutral... whereas 25D was positively great.