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2C-C + Cannabis - First Time - Brief, Beautiful Bliss

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2C-C (50mg oral) + Cannabis - First time - Brief, Beautiful Bliss

[edit: This is my first time with 2C-C]

I had been looking forward to trying this chemical for a while as it looked appeared to provide an experience similar to 2C-I, but with less stimulation and a shorter duration. As far as psychedelics, I have tried Mushrooms, 2C-I, 2C-E, Mescaline cacti, Ayahuasca, LSD, DIPT, 5-MeO-DMT, 2C-D, 2C-T-4, HBWR seeds, DPT, and 2C-T-21. I have had +++ or stronger experiences with 8 of the 12 listed above. I am also a regular, almost daily Cannabis smoker.

17:00/T-1:00 -- I am pleasantly surprised to learn that the 250mg container actually contains 310mg of chemical. That's one extra trip FREE!

17:45/T-0:15 -- My partner and I decide on taking 50mg each for our first times. This has me mildly paranoid, but I have had too many disappointingly mild experiences lately. Also, both of us seem to respond to drugs about equally and we are average to mildly resistant to phenethylamines (albeit a bit sensitive to tryptamines usually). We have no definite way of verifying the identity of the chemical. The sample is rather fluffy in a way that reminds me of the first batch of 2C-E I received. This 2C-C is not as fluffy as the 2C-E, but it isn't the fine white powder that 2C-I appears as.

18:00/T0:00 -- I taste-test a drop of 2C-C/H2O solution. 2C-C tastes especially bitter. The soapy taste of 2C-E is definitely not there. The sweetness of 2C-I is also not there, but the rubbery/swimming-pool aspect is there. I am feeling confident enough that this stuff is 2C-C that I'm willing to drink it. The solution tastes quite dreadful and we both require 3 separate gulps to get it down.

18:15/T+0:15 -- I finally feel the first alert. I usually feel alerts from chems including 2C-I in about 5 minutes. Mescaline and 2C-E often don't show until 20 minutes. I'm still pretty paranoid, but remind myself to have patience.

18:30/T+0:30 -- The feelings are starting to increase now. I feel more assured now as this is the point in which the nausea usually kicks in for most things. My stomach is completely undisturbed. I'm feeling less effect now than I would be with 2C-I.

18:40/T+0:40 -- Wow! This is ramping up pretty quickly now as I'm already at a mild ++. I have little reason to doubt that this isn't 2C-C. There is a "softening" effect in the vision which is very similar to that of 2C-I. I am also feeling the delightful "soft skin" tactile sensations that I also recognize from 2C-I but not others. Completely absent is any of the nervousness or tension that 2C-I usually provides. I feel too good and relaxed already to worry about whether or not I what I actually took was 2C-C.

18:50/T+0:50 -- We've been sitting in the living room for the last 30 minutes or so. About 5 minutes ago, the open-eye-visuals became apparent. Our tapestries are cycling in a strange manner that we try to and fail to appropriately verbalize. The body high is simply wonderful, and there are still no side-effects to speak of. Even the mucous flow that I commonly feel with psychedelics, especially 2C-I, is absent.

19:30/T+1:30 -- The trip has been gradually getting stronger. I love how relaxed and easy going it is. At this point, I am feeling the effects pretty strongly; however, I have not broken past '++' yet. The "dirty carpet" visual phenomenon that we experience with 2C-I appears to occur with 2C-C as well. At this point, I actually volunteer to vacuum the living room floor which turns out to be a great plan. The vacuuming is completed quickly, and we are both pleased at how much nicer the floor is to look at. There is some gunk in the sinuses, but much less so than with 2C-I.

19:45/T+1:45 -- I'm still waiting to "peak" and break-through. Smoking Cannabis seems to be in order. We trade a few hits of exceptionally high potency bud. For me this has little impact on the body, but my mind is now a bit more spaced out, and the closed-eye visuals have been rather intense.

20:00/T+2:00 -- We smoked in the bedroom, and we haven't left yet. In fact, we are enjoying ourselves quite a bit. I remark that the compound seems deeper than 2C-I because of its relaxed temperament. I am also reminded of a commonly repeated comment in PiHKAL: "This is definitely not anti-erotic." It sounds like a sarcastic way of stating that one simply can't get enough. ;) This seems appropriate at this time.

The effects already seem to have dropped off considerably, but we are too busy enjoying "ourselves" to really care. I do seem to be enjoying the erotic intimacy more than the tactile sensations. It reminds me a bit of MDMA in that way. The sensations aren't much more sexy than usual, but being with her sure feels good.

21:30/T+3:30 -- Orgasm was fantastic (as always with psychedelics and Cannabis), and we both finished together. More and more Cannabis is smoked. As I feel this wonderful state of mind slipping away, I desperately try to preserve it, to no avail: the Cannabis has very little effect. The visuals, both open-eye and closed-eye are pretty much gone. There is still some of the tactile high remaining.

22:00/T+4:00 -- We head out for a walk as a means of working out tension. Walking seems to reduce the chances of headaches in my partner who is a bit susceptible to them with phenethylamines. It is very warm and we feel quite comfortable. A train nearby suddenly puts on its brakes which provides a most unusual and fantastic sounding symphony of squeals, coming from many different directions. The walk is brief as our appetites are quickly growing despite the food we ate before our departure.

22:30/T+4:30 -- We start cutting up vegetables in preparation for dinner. We're both feeling pretty stoned. There isn't much left from the 2C-C as far as we can tell. My partner is apparently not thoroughly "satisfied" and has to retreat to the bedroom while I finish chopping the vegetables.

23:30/T+5:30 -- We smoke more Cannabis, sit down for dinner, and enjoy thick rice noodles stir-fried Thai style with basil with salmon. The recipe was of my own creation and it was my first time attempting to prepare such a dish. The dinner turned out to be fantastic; we only wish we had been able to pick up thai-basil instead of sweet-basil at the market.

00:00/T+6:00 -- More Cannabis is smoked, ice cream is eaten for dessert, and we watch a South Park Episode followed by an episode of Red Dwarf.

01:00/T+7:00 -- We're pretty tired and head off to bed. I'm rather stoned, but feeling virtually nothing from the 2C-C. Even the open-eye visuals are no better than they would be with Cannabis alone. We both have slight headaches. We chat in bed for a bit, fool around some, and then drift off within the hour.

--- day after ---

My partner wakes up and meets her mother for breakfast. Later on, I wake up from some realistic and mildly disturbing dreams inspired by my school related anxieties. Upon waking, I immediately notice how good my body feels. I also don't have a headache, in fact I don't have anything resembling a hang-over. I'm just feeling just great today. This is very nice as 2C-I often makes me feel a bit strung-out the day after despite having a lots of energy.

We both considerably enjoyed our experiences, although I was a bit disappointed by the limited intensity and short duration. Neither of us really broke past a ++, and the more intense part of the experience lasted for about half an hour. This, along with the high dosage requirement, is the major drawback of this chemical in our opinions. I would have been much happier if the deeper part of the experience lasted maybe one and a half hours, but it was there and gone so quickly. We also felt the effects were mostly gone long before the end of 8 hours as is suggested in PiHKAL.

On the plus side, this chemical has less body load than any other we've tried, including 2C-T-21. If we were to experiment with this chem orally again, my partner and I would probably choose a dose in the 60-70mg range. Still, we doubt that we will be able to get much more out of the experience that way. Our next experiments with 2C-C will involve administering it in smaller amounts in combination with 2C-T-21 (as is recommended here). We also intend to try the rectal administration method in the interest of economy and in hopes of shortening the onset of the experience which is a bit too gradual for the measly half-hour peak that it provides.
 
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I enjoyed reading this report. 2C-C sounds like a most excellent introductory psychedelic :)
 
I've only tried 2C-C at 15mgs, and that was barely enough to reveal any psychedelic character of the drug. I got the smiles, and I felt a certain pleasureable body feeling with it, but it just wasn't enough to judge the drug. I am trying my next dose at 35mgs. I too have been having too many "light" experiences, but my 4-HO-MiPT trip on the 4th changed that. Anyhow, a few of my friends have tried 2C-C at 25-35mgs, and they've loved it. They found it to have alot of entactogenic qualities to it. I have some in my possesion, but it may be a bit before I get around to dosing the 35mgs.
 
Excellent report. Great read! I have had a few 2C-C experiences @ 30mg, and one @ 50mg. And I really enjoyed the chemical, but thought it to be obsolete when I tried 2C-D. This report has perked my interest again in 2C-C, and I will probably revisit that space sometime this summer.
 
Hehehe. What was it about 2C-D that made you feel that 2C-C was not worth while. Reading your 2C-C report seemed to indicate you had an amazing experience on it.

I wonder whether there really is that much of a difference between the two. What do you guys think is a primary distinction between the two?
 
For me, from what little I felt from 2C-C, it seemed as though it has alot of similarities with 2C-D, but 2C-D has more intellectual content, and it has a more complex body feeling.
 
Let me attempt a comparison between 2C-C, 2C-D, and 2C-I. My experience with the former two is much more limited than the latter, so some of these points of comparison may be more set and setting influenced.

Timing:

2C-C - Onset starts at about 30 minutes, effects ramp rapidly in the next 30 minutes, then increase more slowly and linearly to a peak at around 1:30 to 1:45. Abrupt drop off occurs from 2:30 to 3:30 followed by a more gradual drop-off over the next 2-3 hours. Some color and mood enhancements were noted the day after.

2C-D - Early alerts are felt with an onset at around 30 minutes ramping linearly to a peak at around 1:30. Effects plateau until about 2:30 and then drop off linearly at about the same rate as they onset. Very few effects are felt the day after.

2C-I - Very early alerts (5 mins) are felt. Onset of body effects occurs at 0:20. Onset of mental followed soon by visual effects occurs at around 0:40 to 1:15 depending on dose. Body effects peak and plateau at 2:00. Mental and visual effects peak and plateau at 3:00. Intense stimulation gives way to a feeling of exhaustion at around 4:30 to 5:00. Mental effects also begin to drop at this point, but not as abruptly, taking a couple of hours to fade. Visual effects taper very gradually over the next 6 hours with residual visual effects often continuing into the following day. Some stimulation returns after some sleep and continues until around 20:00 to 24:00 when tiredness returns.

Side-effects:

2C-C - Minimal side-effects. Very mild tremors (less than with other psychedelics) during onset. A little mucous production is experienced. A mild headache is felt at the very end of the experiment, lingering at barely perceptible levels on the day after.

2C-D - Mild nausea, anxiety, and cardiovascular push are felt during the onset. Some mild tremors are felt during the onset and during plateau. Strong diuretic effect.

2C-I - Nervousness, mild nausea and substantial cardiovascular push during onset. Muscle tension and occasional cramping during peak of body effects. Significant, occasionally annoying mucous production. Dry mouth and skin. Diuretic effect. Mild difficulty sleeping. Headache on day after. Some emotional irritability on second day after (more so than with most psychedelics).

Tactile effects:

Soft and fuzzy / MDMA-like entactogenesis:
2-CC > 2C-I > 2C-D

Tactile intensification:
2C-D > 2C-I > 2C-C

Tactile distortion/hallucination:
2C-I > 2C-C > 2C-D (effect may increase at doses >50mg)

Mental and emotional effects:

2C-C - Strong positive mood push is felt. Intense feelings of mental and physical relaxation with perhaps some loss of inhibitions are felt. Very little mental confusion is experienced, but it is some what "stoning".

2C-D - Exaggeration of rational and intellectual centers over emotional ones (this may be why Shulgin reports less favorably for this one). Significant stimulation of thought along with very little mental confusion. Moderately stimulating in the body, but not pushy. Smart-drug like effects following plateau.

2C-I - Positive mood push. Some intellectual stimulation can sometimes dominate the emotional side, but 2C-I still seems much more emotional than 2C-D. Occasional, mild mental-confusion. Very stimulating with an urge to be moving until the exhuaustion phase hits.

Visual effects:

Since visuals are very setting dependent in my experience, it is difficult for me to make fair comparisons. 2C-C and 2C-I seems more alike to each other than to 2C-D. Both produce the "dirty carpet" phenomenon which may be related to the "phantom moving shadows" effect that I've seen with both as well. 2C-D, on the other hand, seems to produce a unique form of "color distortion" where colors are interpreted as being different. For example, a few otherwise green trees have appeared yellowish-brown on 2C-D. The effect was not entirely aesthetic in some cases.

I'm looking forward to trying both 2C-C and 2C-D again. My partner and I suspect that a combination of 2C-C and 2C-T-21 may useful in ways similar to MDMA. My wish is that there was something much like 2C-C but with a longer duration of action.
 
Leprechaun said:
Hehehe. What was it about 2C-D that made you feel that 2C-C was not worth while. Reading your 2C-C report seemed to indicate you had an amazing experience on it.

My 2C-C report was on my first trip with that substance, and it was wonderful. :)

What about 2C-D made 2C-C feel obsolete? I found 2C-C and 2C-D quite similar on the surface, but with 2C-D having the more diserable effects of the two. Both are very short-acting, non-intrusive, easy on the body psychedelics. For me, I found the visual effects of the two nearly identical. The main differences were that 2C-D lasts a bit less, and 2C-C was definitely not stimulating in the way 2C-D was. 2C-C also seemed to have less 'content' when compared to 2C-D; 2C-D is definitely the more intellectual of the two. 2C-C lasted a bit longer.

But I never found 2C-C to be a dud or anything. I just kinda felt 2C-D was the more desirable of the two. But I'll have to admit 2C-C was much easier on the body; 2C-D caused some nausea and was stimulating. I really am also fond of 2C-C's headspace, which allowed me to take the trip in a variety of directions.

I am sure 2C-C still has some insights to offer me, and I look foward to trying another dose sometimes soon.
 
iom: Excellent post. I suggest you send that to Earth at Erowid! =D

mgs: I look forward to trying 2C-C myself, have yet to taste test it. I'll start around 30mg I think. Since I loved 2C-D a lot, even at 20mgs, I will most likely be using it as a benchmark.

All the best with your explorations, I look forward to hearing how it goes.
 
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Leprechaun said:
iom: Excellent post. I suggest you send that to Earth at Erowid! =D

I second that! Maybe also include some more 2C-xx substances.. An incredibly informative post. :)
 
All done. I owe it to myself and to all of us to write lots more reports like this one. I've been pretty busy experimenting in the last two years or so. :)
 
Leprechaun said:
mgs: I look forward to trying 2C-C myself, have yet to taste test it. I'll start around 30mg I think.

30mg of 2C-C is a nice dosage for me. If you are sensitive to PEAs, it will probably be for you too. At that dosage, the full visual effects and mental effects are realized, but the intensity is nothing one can't deal with.

Excellent material for hiking I think, though it lacks the stimulating "push" of other substances that gives me the extra drive to hike at high elevations. I live in a high-altitude town, so this may or may not be something to consider...depending on where you live.

I look foward to any reports Leprechaun. :)

MGS
 
Okay folks. My partner and I tried 37.5mg 2C-C with 10mg 2C-T-21. A friend of ours also donated two Cannabis cookies each to the cause. Wow, this triple combo really blew my mind! It was nothing like my experiences with either compound alone. The visuals were more intense than I've ever had on a phenethylamine, and there was a substantial mind-fuck component.

An official trip-report is forthcoming when I get the time to write it.
 
^^ Nice. Those two 2C's are two that I suspect make excellent "psychedelic cocktails", i.e. they are better mixed than alone. I've been meaning to try this combination for a while (sans the cookie, although that's not a bad idea either...)
 
Yes. I advise that people start with lower doses. It hit my partner and I much harder than we expected it to, and I think our tolerances to both these chemicals are slightly higher than most people here. Maybe go for 25-30mg of 2C-C and 6-8mg of 2C-T-21 to get your feet wet.
 
I've been very interested in trying a 2cc and 2ct21 combo, so I had a question regarding it.

When dosing, do you take your 2ct21 BEFORE you dose the 2cc? For me, 2ct21 would take a little longer to peak, so to get the two to peak toghether I would need to take the 2ct21 like one hour before the 2cc? Or am I worrying about it too much and do you folks just take them both at the same time?

I've done a 2cd/2ct21 combo before where I took the 2ct21 one hour before the 2cd and it was just incredible synergy! I'm looking forward to trying this again too, but I may have to try the 2cc combo first. =D

Thanks in advance.
 
I ate the cookie about 15 minutes before hand, then I took both the 2C-C and the 2C-T-21 together. All three seemed to suddenly hit at once (whoa), but the 2C-C distinctly peaked first followed by a brief plateau and then the 2C-T-21 seemed to peak in its own way. The beginning of the trip was very lazy, much like mushrooms. After about T+2hours I felt a bit more active and stimulated and the visuals began to shift character to more angular straight-line forms and neon colors rather than the curves and pastels that seemed to come with the 2C-C. The 2C-T-21 side to the visuals was definitely very interesting and they did remind me of 2C-T-4 patterns more than anything else. I'd like to suggest that they were similar to 2C-T-7, but I haven't tried that one. I'm not sure that I could experience the intensity of 2C-T-21 visuals with 2C-T-21 alone without also enduring more body-load. As it was, I definitly felt that my body temperature was elevated (careful with your doses kids or you might end up cooking yourself with this one), and I found this to probably be the most annoying body-load component. As it was, I think I would decrease the 2C-T-21 dose a bit, but the visuals from both drugs were really awesome.

Oh yeah, to answer your question, it might be interesting to try 30 minutes of separation. I think for me 2C-C peaked at +1.5-2hrs and 2C-T-21 peaked at +2-2.5hrs when taken alone. The 2C-C definitely shows itself more substantially in the first hour than 2C-T-21. 30 minutes seems like it would be just right.

Let us know if you happen to see bright pink and blue lightning-bolts shooting from tree branches into the sky like I did. The OEVs had me saying "whoa" outloud over and over again.
 
That's odd. I've taken 2C-C three or four times. Each time, I felt it in a good 3/4 hour, but did not even begin to approach a peak until about the third hour. Much like 2C-I in that regard. Only 2C-B and 2C-D come on quickly for me (as far as the 2Cs go).
 
Excellent!

Every Phenethylamine I've taken, comes on very quickly it seems. Is this mental though? I definately feel something, a slight push, some slight visuals, stimulation or sedation, but is it just my u nconscious mind remembering the last time? Or other psychoactive experiments, and changing your mind. Because I know that if you don't sit around waiting for it, it doesn't come on as quick as you think. Then you get that classic *BOOM* first-time MDMA style window, and with visuals and headspace to match the drug.
 
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