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Phenethylamines [2C-B Subthread] Dosage & Methods of Administration

Hi all

I have not had much experience in the psychedelic department, myself only have taken MDMA and of course smoke cannabis quite regularly.

I am aquiring two capsules with 28mg of HBr (so 25ish mg ?) of 2C-B, and this friday me and a mate are going to trip for the first time! ( He has never taken MDMA, but is interested in psychedelics- obviously has smoked before).

Is this dose a little too high for our first time? i don't really see the point of splitting it as we would be left with an insufficient amount to trip again! And I don't wish to buy more for one proper trip. The setting will just be at my house with some music or a dvd or so on, during night of course. anything that would be particularly fun to do?

anything we should keep in mind etc? Mainly just want to know about the dosage.

We will probably be smoking some weed on the comedown to help sleep/bring back visuals or whatever.

peace :)
 
I have taken it twice, both eyeballed doses, meant to be 30 mg. In retrospect, after measuring the same powder with an accurate scale, it was probably around 25 mg. Even at that dose, it was beautifully intense.
 
Haha well its not 30, its more like 25 seeing as its 28mg of HBr.

I think this will probably be quite intense for a first time psychedelic experience.. hmm..

but i think it will be great :D

any more insight?
 
Whenever I introduce a new friend to 2C-B, unless there is reason to believe they're extra sensitive, I give them 30mg of 2C-B.HBr, so I think it'll be A-OK.
 
i usaly drop 50mg then another 25mg later on in the night. (lol once i melted into the carpet) i have used this chemical extensivly there for i have a high tolerance. when i snort it doesnt come on instantly it takes like 5 minutes

i find that for those new to it a 25mg oral dose is quite sufficent. the mind fuck is crazy on this shit.
 
I moved from a 18 mg to a 30 mg dose. I didn't observe an increase in positive effects (visuals), although some minor side-effects occurred (cold hands and growling stomach). The visuals were pretty much the same as at the lower doses. Is this as far as 2C-B goes and will higher doses only induce more side-effects? The visuals are very mild actually. I can even "turn them off" during the trip.
 
took 50mg (!) at a psytrance party the other night. so many visuals it was impossible to see almost -anything-, prominent headfuck, sense of fear but overall good experience. still feeling drained the day after.

i would have to say that, in its own way, that ranked among one of my most visually intense psychedelic experiences ever. it was truly overwhelming.
 
Regarding the issues people have regarding dosages (30mg is way to much, etc)

Shulgin prepares 2c-b as the HCl salt: molar mass~296.5 grams per mole
now, the (anhydrous) HBr salt which some appear to be encountering has a molar mass or ~341 grams per mole.

Which means 30mg of the anhydrous HBr salt = 26mg of the HCl salt.
but the HBr salt is probably not anhydrous:

PiHKAL said:
This was the hydrobromide salt. There are many complicated salt forms, both polymorphs and hydrates, that can make the isolation and characterization of 2C-B treacherous. The happiest route is to form the insoluble hydrochloride salt by way of the free base
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It would seem whoever makes the 2c-b (clandestine cooks or chemical companies) are just stopping at the HBr salt point making judging doses of the HBr salt quite tricky
 
With snorting 2cb, how long should i expect to wait for full effects? People have suggested about 5mins, is this correct? And as compared to a typical ecstasy pill, how bad does this stuff burn?

My reason for asking is that I have 3 caps each containing 22mg, between 2 people. Neither of us have prior psychadelic experience. My thinking is that if we first snort 11mg each, then wait 15mins to assess wether or not that is enough, it should be fairly easy to keep on upping the dose by snorting a little more each time, until a comfortable level is reached.

Anyone see any drawbacks here? Also intend to be pilling at the time if that is of any consequence.
 
I don't think I've EVER seen a drug more dose sensitive than the 2c-X family. Scientifically, it's quite amazing. 20mg can be a great trip and 23mg on the same person can be a trip to the hospital. Only drug I've taken where I wouldn't take it unless I or someone I REALLY trusted measure it out in front of me.
 
Morpher said:
With snorting 2cb, how long should i expect to wait for full effects? People have suggested about 5mins, is this correct? And as compared to a typical ecstasy pill, how bad does this stuff burn?

My reason for asking is that I have 3 caps each containing 22mg, between 2 people. Neither of us have prior psychadelic experience. My thinking is that if we first snort 11mg each, then wait 15mins to assess wether or not that is enough, it should be fairly easy to keep on upping the dose by snorting a little more each time, until a comfortable level is reached.

Anyone see any drawbacks here? Also intend to be pilling at the time if that is of any consequence.
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11mg intranasally if a very high dose for someone with no prior experience. If you're really after the 'topping up' method, snort 7 or 8 mg and see what happens.

Effects should become apparent within a minute and rapidly intensify over the next 2-3 mintues.

I reckon if you've three 22mg capsules, though, your absolute best bet is to swallow one each, and bomb half of the third cap each if you feel it's not enough. For someone with no prior psychedelic experience, though, I'd wager that 22mg each, orally, should do you fine.

Snorting 2C-B can be compared to being raped in the face by somebody with a very sharp penis.
 
With snorting 2cb, how long should i expect to wait for full effects? People have suggested about 5mins, is this correct? And as compared to a typical ecstasy pill, how bad does this stuff burn?

My reason for asking is that I have 3 caps each containing 22mg, between 2 people. Neither of us have prior psychadelic experience. My thinking is that if we first snort 11mg each, then wait 15mins to assess wether or not that is enough, it should be fairly easy to keep on upping the dose by snorting a little more each time, until a comfortable level is reached.

Anyone see any drawbacks here? Also intend to be pilling at the time if that is of any consequence.
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Dude, if you have never had a psychedelic experience before, please don't start by snorting ANYTHING.

Please stick to oral until you become more familiar with the effects. 22mg of pure 2C-B orally should be more than enough for a good introductory experience to psychedelics. So why don't you and your buddy each take 1 capsule orally...and save the other one for another time (you will have a lot of fun most likely and want to do it again). 2C-B is a good introductory psychedelic, IMO.

Someone please agree with me on this. He has NEVER had a psychedelic experience before. I would DEFINITELY recommend oral admin. due to lack of experience (snorting 2C's is much more variable and powerful than oral). It should kick in between 20-60min depending on when you last ate.
 
^definately. he also wrote to take ecxtasy at the same time, thats a very intense combination. just go with the 2c-b orally and have some weed at hand, and you should have a great time.
 
agree completely with psilocybonaut. 22mg 2CB orally would be a good intro to psychedelics.

Take it somewhere safe and secure (your home perhaps) because the experience has the chance for becoming overwhelming at that level.

Ideally I recommend people take LSD for a first psychedelic. Since it is the best.
 
Definitely do not snort 2C-B or any psychedelic for your first experience! Really I don't recommend ever snorting 2C-Xs just because oral dosing gives a better experience, but absolutely you should not snort it your first time. it makes the come-up way more intense, and you do not want that... psychedelic come-ups are the difficult part of the psychedelic experience. It will be very overwhelming and you might end up in a very bad place.

As for the burn, the burn of 2C-B does not even compare to the burn of MDMA. MDMA burns, but it's bearable. 2C-B burns like a chemical is destroying your brain... it just goes on and on and on. I can't even describe to you how badly 2C-Xs, especially 2C-B, burn when you snort them.

I agree with everyone else, that your best bet would be to take 22mg orally. It will provide a good initial experience. The 2C-Xs really do work much better orally... they're more psychedelic and gentler.

And as a final note, please do not expect it to be like MDMA. 2C-B is a real psychedelic. It's known for being gentle and euphoric, but it's a different type of experience than MDMA, entirely. MDMA forces euphoria on you, and 2C-B does not. 2C-B will change the way you think and might make you feel uncomfortable for a while, as psychedelics can do.

Basically, you can treat MDMA like a toy, but you should never treat 2C-B or any other psychedelic as a toy. If you are on MDMA and you take some more MDMA, it's just going to make the MDMA experience stronger. If you take 2C-B, it will totally change the nature of the experience and might become too much for you.
 
Thanks guys, really appreciate your clear and informative resposes, glad I posted.

Based on what you've said I've decided to postpone the 2c-b, havent taken drugs of any kind for a few months now, so Im kinda feeling more pillish than psycadelic at this point. Was expecting a slightly visual pilling experience, which seems to be very much not what I would have gotten. Glad to have dodged the pointy penis in the nose lol.

Will conserve the caps or oral ingestion at some later date when the mood is right. Will post a brief report when I finally get around to dropping them.
 
Ended up having it after all, had three pills and at 4am once they were wearing off we decided now was as good a time as any.

Dropped a 22mg cap each, waited a full hour & half and not much was happening, things were slightly bendy if you stared at them long enough.

at 5:30 snorted 11mg each as we werent really satisfied with the effects at that point. Burned alot but not unbearable. Nose felt a little sore in the morning. Didnt kick in right away either, took a good 20mins after snorting. Think having a few cones is what really got it going.

Once it did get going, it was fuckin awesome. Smoke seemed to pour out of cracks and even surfaces, everything heaved in and out. Music seemed kinda 'plasticy'. Which doesnt make sense, but it did. Lying down in bed with eyes closed felt very similar to nanging. Were some moments of confusion and not quite knowing what the fuck was going on, but this was never troubling as such.

Very enjoyable experience, will be sure to try again sometime.
 
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