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2C-B fly- ketamine - others / first flying lesson / excelcior!

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Had the oppertunity to try 2C-B fly, thanks to a kind gift from a friend, but wanted to wait until I had some ketamine as 2C-B/ketamine is supposed to be such a good combination. I'm so glad I held onto it and waited - a stillness like I've never experienced decended upon me.

Anyway; chronology first...

(T -1:00) 10mg morphine (rectally - for pain from having dressing on wound changed)

(T +0:00)20:15 8mg of 2C-B fly (previously tried 2mg orally last week to make sure no idiosyncratic reactions)

(T +1:15)21:30 80mg ketamine IM

I'm currently at T +2:30 (I think, vision not too good!) and everything in the world has let go of its niggling little, barely perceptable, neurotic twitching to produce a state of absolute stillness both within and in everything I can sense. There is a calmness & clarity that I wish to hang on to, even though I know it will dissipate in time, but at the moment it is a feeling of harmony that I couldn't hope to describe with mere things like words. I'd read tha 2C-B & ketamine was a very good combination because of the memory retaining effects of the 2C-B, but with 2C-B fly and ketamine, retaining a memory of this is just wonderful.

After administering the ketamine I relaxed on my sofa with the lights out and music playing. At some point (don't ask, I don't know) time ceased to have meaning in any formal sense - I mean I'm aware of causality, but not of the passing of time - and a meditative like calmness of mind decended over me. My thoughts seem crystal clear - the mechanisms in action to produce the thought as well as the actual thought - although the subject matter is of a personal nature. Christ, if only I could bring this state of mind to bare whenever I had a deep emotional problem to work through I'd be a much less neurotic person in day to day living.

I'll keep this short, as I'm going to plunge back into the dissociative state again before the 2C-B fly begins to wane, but the combination works wonders for introspection without all the emotional baggage that normally gets dredged up with it. I'm loathed to recommend combinations because they are all very specific to people (also set & setting), but this seems to be very good for calmly approaching memories that have a lot of strong emotional responses attached to them. Even just freewheeling produces a coat hanger grin and a feeling of having been freed from the normal day to day crap that goes with the human condition. I've never had 2C-B, let alone in combination with ketamine, but if 2C-B fly is anything to go by I can see why so many people were so enthusiastic with their praise.

I'll add a post-event review later, but otherwise I'd say that the two go together very, very well.

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sweet! ive always wanted to do k with and rc. never done 2cb but i bet it would go great with 2ce ir any really
 
Nice to see a report by you f&b!

Yeah I prefer to always only use ketamine when i'm already tripping, i REALLY feel that DOC + IMed ketamine would be absolutely mind blowing - I think the best k trip i've had was when I used it tripping on LSD.

Your right though, really 2c-x or in my experience anything, first then ketamine, really does help greatly in remembering the k experience.

I do not have any ketamine but I should get some just to have around for my next DOC trip, it would be quite the ride.

-- I personally didn't care for 2c-b-Fly really, i mean it was nice, maybe a tad MDxx like, but blah :) now if DOM-Fly comes around someday thats one i'll go after.
 
Naughty naughty;) a mod submitting an in-progress report=D

Nice report though, I am getting a ket pill myself soon, might try that with DOC, although 2C-B-FLY seems good from the reports, it doesn't seem to be one of those special gems, like say, psilocybin, DMT, acid etc.

Having said that, I might just have to lay my hands on this one, at least, when it becomes less pricy=D
 
I'm planning on trying a similar combination Ketamine and 2C-B. I'm interested to see what your thoughts are afterwards (esp. the memory aspect!)
 
I find that K is most amazing in combination with many a material - MDMA, 4-Ho-Mipt, Methylone, DMT are some I have tried. It would appear that with longer-lasting "proper" psychedelics (from this list that would be 4-Ho-Mipt) the amount of insight gleaned is amazing. I had never felt so death-like and so lucid about that state and so accepting, all at once. As if the psychedelic had made me so much more sensitive to and/or aware of the nature of the K experience.

Or is there something inherently different/special about combining K with 2CB?
 
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Well the ketamine had worn off at that point and it was a low dose of 2C-B fly, so I was coherent enough to type a lucid report. The combination was very good for recall purposes and when I took the second dose of ketamine (100mg IM) it produced a state of total non-existance (in terms of ego) - just pure naked sensation. The closest I've ever come to reproducing the near-death experience I had when I was 13 (that's when I lost my hand). My main memory is of lying down in a dark bedroom, with a CD playing and looking at the ceiling (where my wife had an attack of 'unusual decorating' with some luminous paint many years ago - totally wired after a Sat night!). She'd arranged the dots of paint like the constellations around Orion; I believed that I (well 'I' isn't a good description) was a bodyless entity seeing the real thing.

As to the dodgy memory; I haven't noticed it with words, but then again I'm generally not the sharpest tool in the box the day after a serious ketamine session
 
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Heh, I was joking, was g-tarded and nodding at the time I posted that, probably should have included a smiley=D

Excellent report though, why not submit it to erowid? the more good reports we have on new compounds like this, the better.
 
Great! Thanks heaps:)

I'd love and respect anyone who would post a very detailed experience of this chemical alone without other drugs.

On the subject of K combos, I find even oral K is lovely with MD or an RC (I tried it with 2C-E low dose).
 
Well, two days after the event and I didn't get any 'fuzzy' memory or recall problems that I wouldn't have got from ketamine alone (although 8mg isn't a big dose compared with the people who did experience problems with word recall). My memory of the night is very clear, about the best recall I've ever had of a ketamine experience; as well as that, the moments when I just let everything roll over me and gave up any active attempts at control were moments of pure bliss - almost to the point of feeling on the verge of something life-changingly good happening.

Given the right circumstances again, I'd definitely like to repeat the experience or maybe try ketamine with something like methylone. Just wondering how it would go with a low dose of mescaline or 2C-E...


BTW, I still have a sense of the inner stillness from that night; I only need a few moments thinking about it to get me part way back to where I was that night. It's not often that this happens, but I think something 'life-changingly good' has happened on a minor scale - any day to day anxiety that normally plagues me seems to have disappeared, an I for one, am not going to complain about that in the slightest!
 
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^Ive wondered about ketamine and mescaline, i should hopefully try it shortly after the new year :)

what i wouldnt give for a time machine. awesome report too, F&B :)
 
Well out of curiosity, I've just tried a repeat with a tryptamine (15-20mg of IM DPT) rather than a phenethylamine. I'll write it up in more detail tomorrow, but although it was more vivid (in the sense of the naturalness/reality of the inner landscape generated), it didn't have the same blissful stillness or the feeling of 'something bigger'. I did however for the first time actually experience the phenomenon that some refer to as 'entities'. They felt as if they were independantly contributing to the experience, but rather than see them as some sort of new age entities/hyperspatial dwellers/supernatural forces, I think that they are aspects of my personality that have become separated from the 'core personality' (or what's left of it after DPT & ketamine!), yet still exerting an influence over the experience. That could be what's at work in people who suffer from multiple personality disorder (it would also explain why they feel like they are independant of my will/desire). Once the thought that they were possibly disconnected parts of the 'whole me', I stopped worrying that they might malevolently influence the experience.

My memory of the whole thing is also much hazier than that with the 2C-B fly; not something I'd attribute to taking this 3 days after my initial experience, but more to do with the very character of tryptamines (well at least for me). I've taken ketamine in close succession before, which is why I can only put it down to the tryptamine

Like I said, I'll try and find some time tomorrow to write it up in a bit more detail.
 
are you a spiritual person at all? this kind of combination strikes me as potentially fantastic for a theological / mystical conversation :)
 
I have my moments! I tend to bring a scientific analysis approach to everything I have an interested in, spirituality included (hence the bit about analysing the 'entities' encountered with ket/2C-B fly combo. I simply could see no basis for the presence of entities and wanted an explanation of the phenomenon that I could equate with my model of the world). Most of the time, rather than feeling touched by some creator spirit at moments of intense psychedelic states, I get more of an awe at nature and things like how life evolved to a concious level from a chemical soup 4 billion years ago etc, but with the 2C-B fly, the dissociated state did feel like I was in the presence of something momentus. Natural processes like evolution is the closest I get to deities and as such I'm unlikely to have any sort of discourse with it/them.

With the DPT combo, I did get an amazing sequence of incredibly believeable neon vistas and even contact with 'entities' which may be something that people seek out as the beginning of some sort of dialogue with god/his representitives, but it appears that I've reduced it to some neurological abhorration! I preferred the 2C-B fly combo as it left more of my analytical faculties working.

On second thoughts I've just convinced myself that I'm not that spiritual after all. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have an experience of conversing with god, it's just it's difficult if you don't believe god exists! It's opened up some avenues in the understanding of 'life, the universe & everything' that might not have occurred for a long time (or at all) without the psychedelic input, which to me is just as important/amazing as feeling the presence of a deity.

I know, I'm a cynical bastard for someone who likes & values psychedelics so much!
 
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Cat Again has a point ;)

Its interesting I haven't noticed this report before.

F&B, do you find it hard to retain memory of your experiences with Ketamine? If so, have you tried slightly lower doses?
 
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F&B, do you find it hard to retain memory of your experiences with Ketamine? If so, have you tried slightly lower doses?
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Well I can remember some of it, but not the sort of memory recall I have with things like serotonogic psychedelics. Normally my memory recall of a ketamine experience is on a par with oral cannabis (ie. not too wonderful). With 2C-B fly the recall was vastly improved, as well as making the experience so much better.

Then again my poor memory might have something to do with being the wrong side of 40 (only just though)!
 
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