25i high dose

[SuperHans68]

Ive been using psychedelics for a while now and i wish to experience a full ++++ and loss with reality. How much would you recommend i snort(its got carrier powder properly added into it) to reach this experience.I also plan to take so ibuprofen to combat the vasoconstriction that people seem to get with high doses of 25i.

 

[bayhead415]

Don't.... You honestly do not sound ready.... When you are ready for a ++++ trip it will happen. If you try to force it you may force a ++++ bad trip. I would honestly just recommend finding people you trust to help you drink ayahuasca after some intensive study. If you don't want to go through that route there is also smoking pure DMT, but that can be hard to get unless you extract it yourself which can turn out bad if done carelessly

I recommend doing some heavy research on various substances, checking experience reports, and how the various substances interact with the body. 25i-nbome is a new compound and is very easy to do too much of. Plus if you can get 25i-nbome you should be able to get something that has more history of use (mushrooms, cactus, etc.)

I think really though the problem is not the substance, but what you are doing on them. Try next time you trip to just sit and focus on your breathing with your eyes closed until you forget about reality. I guarantee this to help figure out how to help you get to the ++++ level if you really put all your energy into it even if it takes you an hour. It's more about the mind than the substance. Also 25i-nbome may produce visuals, but is only somewhat psychedelic IMO.

edit: I noticed you mentioned it is in carrier powder. Are you sure it is evenly distributed without hotspots or pockets of powder with higher concentration of 25i-nbome than the other powder? I HIGHLY recommend a different compound to attempt this with.... Hell 4-aco-dmt would be about 10 times better for this IMO.

I recommend 10-20 mg 4-aco-dmt if you are able to obtain it and to either brew caapi tea yourself, buy it online, or buy an extract. I have a "caapi alkaloid" tincture that contains the 3 main harmala alkaloids from B. caapi and use about 100-200 mg per session. Usually something like 150 than 50 mg later with the 4-aco-dmt, maybe 30-45 min after. Make sure you study harmalas though as they act as MAOI and can not be combined with many substances such as 25i-nbome, DXM, or mdma without leading to possibly fatal results. Make sure your diet does not interact with it, but more importantly any recreational/prescription medications.

Just a recommendation of one of many better things to attempt a ++++ trip with. Still what I said above is true for this compound too. When you are ready for a ++++ it will come to you. Even with higher doses or different compounds you might still not find what you are looking for as it is not the compound, but you that creates the trip. The psychedelics are only the key to the door you have to find yourself, open, and walk though. Even worse you may find what you are looking for, but at the same time be completely unprepared. Not trying to scare you away or anything, but just making sure you really think about what you are doing and do it safely.

 

[alteredstate8]

What bayhead said. You can't plan for a ++++, its not possible. You may take a large dose of a particular substance and only reach a +++ and only have a bad trip, and later you might take a low dose of the same substance and reach a ++++.

PLUS FOUR (++++) A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'stateof Samādhi' and many other names in othercultures.It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with boththe interiorand exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a p lus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution,andperhaps the end, of the human experiment.

 

[kidklmx]

While I've yet to achieve ++++ myself, I agree with the 2 posters before me. Still, if you insist (when people say don't do it, you're obviously gonna do it) then building up your doses to whatever you feel comfortable with is something I can recommend. Just slowly, but steadily with < 250ug increments and then eventually you'll get there (don't go endlessly dosing up, read a lot about dosage and dosage of others). Things may go bad with this method (you'll hit your limit at some point, as seen on endless "bad trip"-reports), but I'm sure you'll notice that you are close to hitting that limit. (if you take caution, some people don't however)

But really, if you have to ask things like this I don't think you're ready. Hell, I don't even think I'm ready.

 

[bayhead415]

I am going to repeat this, but the fact that it is in a carrier powder may lead to problem. I am not aware of many carrier powders done right without leading to hot spots or splotches of 25i-nbome in the powder.

Be VERY careful if you do decide to work with it if you did not process into the form it is from the pure NBOME. This is your life and people are known to have had complications when going 1 mg and above. Personally 500 mcg is more than enough for me, but it has never gotten really visual even when I eyeballed it and had a VERY powerful experience.... It was a very strong trip where I felt like I really learned something, but not necessarily a ++++ as I was connected to reality and mostly reflecting on how stupid a move I made. Still it was my best nbome trip that I will never recommend or repeat cause I almost landed myself in the hospital. Thankfully after having my heart rate check and just communicating with another person I was able to calm myself down to a level where I was ok. Seriously though it could have been my last night alive, especially if I did not use tissues to rub out any possibly extra 25i in my nose and gums, as I was getting severe respiratory depression feelings along with other powerful physical reactions to the compound.

Again be VERY careful with this and other nbome compounds. It is no joke.

edit: Seriously just look into DMT and ayahuasca. You will find the experience you seek there... Even san pedro or peruvian torch cactus tea/resin would be a better idea.

 

[alteredstate8]

Also by the way, ibuprofen will not help with vasoconstriction at all. It is not a vasodilator.

 

[kidklmx]

There's a guy on a certain hidden service that's selling snortable NBOMe caps (with carrier powder, not sure what's in it though), I'm sure SuperHans (are you dutch? haha) has bought those and it should be fairly safe. (it's one of the best selling products on there, so if there were problems it would be known)

 

[freedstar]

First of all the Shulgin rating scale is not the end all be all. I don't think psychedelic experiences can ever be categorized. I think it basically gives you an idea of how F-ed up you were. I think some of my ++++ experiences were more fun than others. So what do I call that?


Like others have said, you can't just aim for and expect a ++++. I usually find they happen when a bunch of nice things come together unexpectedly.

If somebody say took a 500 microgram dose of LSD it's very possible a ++++ may occur. But it may also turn out to be a nightmare. Is having a horrible time a ++++ to you? You can surely lose touch with reality and not be having a good time.

I also wouldn't try this with something like 25I. There are side effects at higher doses. IMO higher doses of NBOME's lead mostly to more stimulation and visuals. It lacks the things high doses of other psychedelics can provide.

 

[masterbucks]

dosing.

There's a guy on a certain hidden service that's selling snortable NBOMe caps (with carrier powder, not sure what's in it though), I'm sure SuperHans (are you dutch? haha) has bought those and it should be fairly safe. (it's one of the best selling products on there, so if there were problems it would be known)

^^ This

I know of this also and they're said to be 600ug / dose for insufflation too rather than sub-lingual / buccal.
My Imaginary friend took one at a psy-night, bought from a random partyman, after a few 2cb's and an acid blotter (no info on potency with these though). He then took ONE 25i-nBome, he could only assume it was a typical dosage of around 600ug as it turned out they came exactly as described/sold on said hidden service (see quoted post).

And now, to superhans... So, that 25i-nbome, Once taken everything went mental, he's an inexperienced tripper but described the visuals and sound distortions/looping/warping etc as exactly what he would atleast expect from a 3+ trip going by what he'd read in other forums and heard from word of mouth. At times a little daunting, but overall was his best experience to date.. The only thing he noticed was that the trip was barely introspective at all, it seemed to be a purely visual/audio thing with some mild confusion and thought loops. Either way, it was extremely enjoyable, but he found every insufflation since that day has been considerably LESS potent but he put this down to the gap between doses being just one or two weeks. If it's NOT that, then perhaps the dose was simply higher from the random party man than the vendor on hidden service. The 'come up' is approximately 10-30mins, so maybe after a little longer than that, if the experience is mild, re-dose to suit. Just don't leave too long as I heard it becomes inactive re-dosing within a few hours.

Take care with it and enjoy, hopefully you get something similar to my friend.

 

[freedstar]

25I + Other psychedelics seems to produce good results from what I'm seeing.

My friend said he had a spiritual experience from 1.75g Mushrooms + 1mg 25I.

 

[eLeSaH]

[/B]If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a p lus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution,andperhaps the end, of the human experiment.

Then try 20mg 4-HO-MET and on t+1h 3mg JWH-250.
Produces a controllable, rememberable and clean ++++ experience. Worked consistenly for me and tried it with a friend and it worked for him, too. I tested the dose around and if I went higher with Tryptamine dosage, mindfuck started like thought loops and stuff. If I went higher with the cannabinoid, physical side effects or paranoia can start. Just do it low dosed and do the rest in your head. It was really like just putting my headphones on and closing my eyes. I saw a white light and didn't know if I should go that way. I had trust somehow and just let go and then I was there. I'm pretty sure it's the place where I was before and where I will be later. In that situation I had a strange effect that I felt like I had access to a different memory. It was like I saw everything but at the same moment I remembered everything. The peak is like 20 minutes, you can always open your eyes and feel totally sober. It's really a experience which you have to do yourself to understand because I would need a library of words to describe just those 20 minutes. 20 minutes were like years of experience.

This kind of trips have an effect on your life though, I had the best year of my life after that trip. I felt enlightened in a way.

Now, a year later, I'm the old me again. Kind of.


Anyway, if you really hunt god or answer, do that combo. You people don't know what you miss, I also used other RC psychedelics but nothing was even close to this. Let me say that when I did the JWH-250 at the t+6h I had intense dmt cevs.

You really go on a journey, the first trips were about myself and my family, when I dosed lower somehow THE experience started. I'm pretty sure that's what religions are about, no matter which religion.

25i is also interesting but never in the way of that combo. 25i can also feel spiritual because you go in a freemind mode. No boundaries in thinking about stuff or perceiving existance and the world how it is. Even if everything is not so nice.

tldr: 20mg 4-HO-MET + 3mg JWH-250 (at t+1h) + Headphones with meditation music from youtube = ++++

 

[RobotRipping]

I don't recommend 25i for this purpose. You may not lose your sense of reality or ego even on high doses. I accidentally took ~15mg once and i was still rather lucid,although confused at times. I'd say that was a ++++ overall though but it was scary as shit and possibly could have killed me. Instead try DMT, try mushrooms, try MXE, IMO these drugs will be more reliable in giving you a ++++ experience than 25i.

I've also had ++++ experiences from 2c-e on doses over 30mg, it's not exactly fun, so be prepared for that whichever route you go. I think 25i is just too unreliable and high dosing leaves no margin for fuck ups in measuring, it could be your life whereas with 2c-e, mushrooms, dmt, mxe you can fuck up pretty bad and you won't die. Much better for that peace of mind you'll need when you are holding on to the carpet as the world spins around you.

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

Haha . . . & agreed on all counts!

I think really though the problem is not the substance, but what you are doing on them. Try next time you trip to just sit and focus on your breathing with your eyes closed until you forget about reality. I guarantee this to help figure out how to help you get to the ++++ level if you really put all your energy into it even if it takes you an hour. It's more about the mind than the substance. Also 25i-nbome may produce visuals, but is only somewhat psychedelic IMO.

A solid ++++ can be achieved with marijuana & the right state of mind. Hell, a hot bath & deep breathing will do it!

Surely 25i is far too experimental & ill-researched for anyone to suggest it be used in deliberately high doses in the vague hope of creating or recreating some particular experience, as described by others.

Full immersion can be pretty fucking scarey, are you sure you want to really do this? Examine your reasoning & if you have ANY doubts, just enjoy your drugs for the time-being & a ++++ will come in it's own time.

If you're still insistant on attempting to bring on a ++++ using a high dose psychedelic then I suggest you try it with a considerably safer & more established compound & not some powerful, brand new research chemical. Consider a high dose of shrooms, acid (warily!), or possibly try using actual dissasociatives such as DMT, Ketamine or MXE?

 

[biffhenderson]

Ok Major Tom, if exploring the outer limits is really what you want to do, then good luck. But there are much safer substances than this stuff to do it with. It's virtually impossible to OD with LSD or shrooms as we all know. But you can OD on this stuff. With a sub-lethal dose you can have a seizure. Playing with high doses of these drugs is like playing with fire.

May I suggest 5 grams of cracker dry psilocybe cubensis. You will have a very powerful experience with no possibility of an OD.

 

[bayhead415]

Instead try DMT, try mushrooms, try MXE, IMO these drugs will be more reliable in giving you a ++++ experience than 25i.

Why MXE when there is ketamine... Still that is a dissasociative as well as pretty intense at higher doses. I think he would have much better ventures with a tryptamine like natural DMT or natural mushrooms that naturally produce a multiple hallucigenic components related to dmt. 4-aco-dmt IMO is the safest RC as it is closely related to 4-ho/po-dmt and even breaks down into 4-ho-dmt in the body. Still anything can be dangerous if used wrong.

\/He explained it well.... I would say the visuals are very flat and somewhat 2d or on the surface vs. the 3d world of subconscious that can be explored I am sure the OP is mentioning.... Again DMT, mushrooms, or ayahuasca!\/

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

What I've noticed with the NBOMe class of drugs that losing touch with reality is harder than on other psychedelics.
For instance I had a friend who accidentally snorted far too much and was unable to see anything even when his eyes were open, it was all visuals.
Even though he was this twacked though he was still able to semi hold a conversation with me and ask questions, he even remembers some of the trip.