25gpd kratom habbit: how to dose oxycodone first time?

[calculatedabuser]

I have never done oxycodone, but managed to find some and decided to give it a try. Its in blisters, so hopefully not fent-contaminated, but its 80mg per tablet.

I have a fairly advanced kratom habit, about 20-25g per day (all in the evening).

What is the likely effect of this habit on tolerance to oxycodone, which I have never taken before (also have never taken any other opiates, with one exception with very low dose)?

To be safe, I plan on dissolving one tablet in water and volumetric dosing as if the whole thing was pure carfent, wait a bit, dose a bit more, etc.

But I wonder what range I should stay at considering my tolerance?

Or to turn the question around, assume you have a daily opiate habit, how many gpd of kratom would you need to eliminate wd symptoms?

Guess Im just wondering if I am basically far from opioid naive because of kratom.

And generally, is 80mg considered potential overdose? Does body weight enter the equation at all? How dangerous would it be to take half a pill (after some volumetric testing for fent or carfent or allergy)?

 

[throwaway4benzos]

I'm not very well-versed in how kratom tolerance works, but I'll still do my best to answer this. (Though, I’m at work right now, so my response might be a bit rushed.)

80mg is a heavy dose for someone who is opiate-naive. I’d recommend starting with 10-20mg; you’ll probably feel plenty high from that.

Tread lightly, my friend. You can always take more, but you can’t take less.

 

[Cbk1013]

that Kratom is gonna block the shit out of that oxycodone or increase tolerance greatly..I would guess your gonna need all 80mg but like the previous poster said tread lightly and always go up...I think he gave you a great starting point but I would bet your gonna need it all.

 

[chippermonk]

You might also consider testing them for fentanyl, too. It's pretty easy. I have used test kits from DanceSafe but there are others. You won't lose any drug content and you'll have peace of mind. Plus then you can go ahead taking a full dose for maximum effect, instead of doing a self imposed time release on yourself, which is annoying.
But as someone else said, 80 mg is a big dose anyhow. I'd go less

 

[calculatedabuser]

that Kratom is gonna block the shit out of that oxycodone or increase tolerance greatly..I would guess your gonna need all 80mg but like the previous poster said tread lightly and always go up...I think he gave you a great starting point but I would bet your gonna need it all.

Block it because kratom also has mu-receptor antagonists? Or because I probably already have high tolerance? I tried stopping kratom a month ago CT, was really horrible, but only 3 days, after that I was fine. Not sure what that says about my tolerance.

You might also consider testing them for fentanyl, too. It's pretty easy. I have used test kits from DanceSafe but there are others. You won't lose any drug content and you'll have peace of mind. Plus then you can go ahead taking a full dose for maximum effect, instead of doing a self imposed time release on yourself, which is annoying.
But as someone else said, 80 mg is a big dose anyhow. I'd go less

I thought about that, but there is more than jus fent, it could be any other RC opioid in it, it could be carfent or god knows what. So it wouldn't be safe anyway. So I will take a tiny little bit, wait, take a tiny more, and if nothing happens Ill assume its not fent or carfent. Its packaged in blisters, imo fent peddlers can't into blisters yet.

 

[throwaway4benzos]

Block it because kratom also has mu-receptor antagonists? Or because I probably already have high tolerance? I tried stopping kratom a month ago CT, was really horrible, but only 3 days, after that I was fine. Not sure what that says about my tolerance.



I thought about that, but there is more than jus fent, it could be any other RC opioid in it, it could be carfent or god knows what. So it wouldn't be safe anyway. So I will take a tiny little bit, wait, take a tiny more, and if nothing happens Ill assume its not fent or carfent. Its packaged in blisters, imo fent peddlers can't into blisters yet.

Blisters can be easily faked, but since you're in the UK, I highly doubt they've been tampered with (though take this with a grain of salt).

Consider purchasing nitazene test strips. I'm sure the pills are genuine, but the truth is, no one can say for sure.

Even better, you could pay for GC-MS testing. It's much more accessible in the EU than in the U.S. (rest in peace, drugsdata.org).

Out of sheer curiosity, are they 80mg Mundipharmas?

Stay safe, my friend. Test them for fentanyl and nitazenes! Better safe than sorry. Also, don't take a full 80mg pill; it’s WAY too high a dose and is close to the overdose range. I doubt your kratom tolerance will make much of a difference.

 

[calculatedabuser]

Blisters can be easily faked, but since you're in the UK, I highly doubt they've been tampered with (though take this with a grain of salt).

Consider purchasing nitazene test strips. I'm sure the pills are genuine, but the truth is, no one can say for sure.

Even better, you could pay for GC-MS testing. It's much more accessible in the EU than in the U.S. (rest in peace, drugsdata.org).

Out of sheer curiosity, are they 80mg Mundipharmas?

Stay safe, my friend. Test them for fentanyl and nitazenes! Better safe than sorry. Also, don't take a full 80mg pill; it’s WAY too high a dose and is close to the overdose range. I doubt your kratom tolerance will make much of a difference.

Im in EU actually. I could send them for testing in a lab. There are couple of brands available, I think I have oxydolor or something like that.
So best start with 10 and take 10 more 30min later if feel clearly "under"dosed?
What are the chances 20mg will be too much and ruin my high? Im almost 100kg.

btw. how do I turn oxydolor to IR? Does crushing help or do I need to dissove it completely?

 

[calculatedabuser]

Well, for anyone interested it turns out kratom gave me a very decent general opioid tolerance. Taking a whole 80 is non issue and I need 2 for a good buzz. After finishing my 10 oxycodone tablets I will switch back to kratom , less I develop actual serious opioid dependence. Its clearly time for a serious multi-month brake from kratom so I can try again with oxycodone and hopefully get a proper high from 20mg-40mg.
Oxycodone is far more stable though, its just a train compared to kratom, runs over all the anxieties and worries and evaporates them.
I also notices 0 nausea or itching, probably another sign that I have too much tolerance. Shame.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Well, for anyone interested it turns out kratom gave me a very decent general opioid tolerance. Taking a whole 80 is non issue and I need 2 for a good buzz. After finishing my 10 oxycodone tablets I will switch back to kratom , less I develop actual serious opioid dependence. Its clearly time for a serious multi-month brake from kratom so I can try again with oxycodone and hopefully get a proper high from 20mg-40mg.
Oxycodone is far more stable though, its just a train compared to kratom, runs over all the anxieties and worries and evaporates them.
I also notices 0 nausea or itching, probably another sign that I have too much tolerance. Shame.

wow, quite shocked reading that

160mg Oxy is a massive dose, I've taken it on/off for years and can still feel 5mg! and 15mg at a time is too much for me. Please be careful!

 

[hwbush336]

I have never done oxycodone, but managed to find some and decided to give it a try. Its in blisters, so hopefully not fent-contaminated, but its 80mg per tablet.

I have a fairly advanced kratom habit, about 20-25g per day (all in the evening).

What is the likely effect of this habit on tolerance to oxycodone, which I have never taken before (also have never taken any other opiates, with one exception with very low dose)?

To be safe, I plan on dissolving one tablet in water and volumetric dosing as if the whole thing was pure carfent, wait a bit, dose a bit more, etc.

But I wonder what range I should stay at considering my tolerance?

Or to turn the question around, assume you have a daily opiate habit, how many gpd of kratom would you need to eliminate wd symptoms?

Guess Im just wondering if I am basically far from opioid naive because of kratom.

And generally, is 80mg considered potential overdose? Does body weight enter the equation at all? How dangerous would it be to take half a pill (after some volumetric testing for fent or carfent or allergy)?

Holy shit where did u find oxy 80s

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

Holy shit where did u find oxy 80s

Its probably fentanyl at best, or some form of nitazene at worst. Oxy 80s are almost unheard of these days, and if you do find them they run about 300USD a piece from my understanding.

 

[Coffeeshroom]

In S.A. we have 80mg ER capsules but as mentioned pricey. Think only 5mg and 10mg by the same manufacturer is IR and the 20mg, 40mg and 80mg are ER.

OT: you even for me who has a very high opiate tolerance 160mg is playing with fire. I have never really gave Kratom a proper go. Did 25mg red vein and did nothing for H wd's so like I said can't really speak much for it.

But sounds it turned out OK this time.
Just hope the same for next and if you are gonna take a break really do start low again with oxy even 10mg IR.

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

In S.A. we have 80mg ER capsules but as mentioned pricey. Think only 5mg and 10mg by the same manufacturer is IR and the 20mg, 40mg and 80mg are ER.

OT: you even for me who has a very high opiate tolerance 160mg is playing with fire. I have never really gave Kratom a proper go. Did 25mg red vein and did nothing for H wd's so like I said can't really speak much for it.

But sounds it turned out OK this time.
Just hope the same for next and if you are gonna take a break really do start low again with oxy even 10mg IR.

May I suggest keeping some naloxone on hand just to be safe? Also, thanks for information on how things are at present in S.A. as this is one of only a handful of countries I do not get much news from.

 

[Littana]

May I suggest keeping some naloxone on hand just to be safe? Also, thanks for information on how things are at present in S.A. as this is one of only a handful of countries I do not get much news from.

having narcan on hand is good but also no help if there aint no one else to giving it to you, going from i feel really good to OD is slim and in fentcase theres not even that :/

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

having narcan on hand is good but also no help if there aint no one else to giving it to you, going from i feel really good to OD is slim and in fentcase theres not even that :/

Agreed, but also one should never really be using alone when it comes to opioids for this exact reason thus my recommendation. The only exception would maybe be in the case of long term use in chronic pain for example, but typically opioid tolerant individuals know how much they need to alleviate pain and don't typically overshoot the mark by much if they do because they understand the consequences of doing so. However, that's not to say someone such as that may never fall into a bad situation if abusing themselves or something thus the "maybe."

 

[Jnowhere]

You'll need at least 3 hits or bottles of Narcan or more in case of fentanyl overdose and still would need the paramedics and be hospitalized. No clue about nitrazenes or some possible RC that could being it.

Why, Narcan wears off and, if the opiod in it is Fentanyl and still going then you could still overdose after the Narcan wears off. ( I looked it up from a very reputable site and it reads that; it takes 30 minutes to 90 minutes before it(Narcan) wears off.

So you would need another person sober or sober enough to hit you with at least 3 hits of Narcan or bottles and guess what, you'll still need an ambulance, and probably be hospitalized, especially if it something very strong.

Blister packs being faked was first brought to my attention( I am not a recreational drugs user) by a very knowledgeable, intelligent and educated well traveled English man named on here: also tapered. Where is he? I ain't seen him in ages and I really miss how polite he was when he argued with me.
Manners, that is something that I and many other members, not necessarily on this thread, could use.( I am trying, just like with Jules and 'Ringo' in Pulp fiction, well not exactly or even close). Lol.

He first brought to my attention the fact that faked blister packs; I believe fake benzos had been found in The UK, a while ago. So faked opiods, which are worth more, is not at all a stretch.

The part I read earlier about long term prescribed opiod users knowing what to take to battle pain. Is very true.

The Kratom use you described is an absurd amount and quite frankly it is the is main reason you are still alive if it is real oxycodone.

Also using20-25mg of kratom is an absurd amount and probably the only reason that you are alive. You need to cut back on the Kratom big time and stop wasting oxycodone, and considering the value and rarity of your find; if it is real, which is suspect, I would taper the Kratom down and quit taking it. But also stop taking absurdly huge amounts of oxy or whatever it is.

Playing with fire is great analogy, but so is playing Russian Roulette also.