21 or 25?

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what up guys, how you doing? :D

So is it true that Steroids under 25 is very dangerous? I've been reading in a forum which i wont say here which one is it (feel free to pm me to know tho) they all claim that under 25 years old is much dangerous than after the age of 25?

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It really all depends. 21 isn't really too young as I started at 23. But then again have you been consistently training, dieting, etc naturally for some time? Otherwise I'd say wait til that is dialed in and a routine for you. There is some literature that states we men don't stop growing to some degree til their 20s so there's risk of stunting that growth. I Initially started as form of trt and built on top of that. We need more information to determine if this lifestyle choices woukd be suited to YOU or not as age is an arbitrary number to determine if one is suited to start.
 
The thing is until the body is done completely developing there are a BUNCH of things that COULD happen. So knowing that i feel like its always best to side with caution

Nothing is worth doing if it can affect you in a negative way down the road
 
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002261.htm

So I heard this in another forum that if you do AAS before 25 you gonna stop the production of Myelin and that will cause severe problems...

Please post so we can read..

Then you have a paper posted earlier by CFC:

Data ensuing from this single case-report suggest that anabolic androgenic steroids have a potential neuroregenerative effect, with an inherent improvement in neuromuscular efficiency through an increased myelin synthesis at peripheral nervous system site.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4629627/
 
god damn nobody has a answer for this, i guess in 50 years we will have all this responses.

There is no one answer fits all I'm afraid.. It might be a more prudent option to wait a while longer rather than jump on at 21, apart from epiphyseal growth plate closure there are very few immediate negative issues that spring to mind... Most issues are long term, and mainly cardiovascular.. Issues with tendon weakening could effect some people..

Building up slowly, Not jumping on huge doses for too long would be advisable, with sufficient time off to allow the body to fully recover..

To still obtain a decent physique well into your 50's, apart from sensible AAS usage, I would strongly recommend you look after your connective tissue, by always taking the time to warm up, using a slow piston style full range of motion, and forget about 1 rep-max's your mates are doing... Once you have damaged tendons or connective tissue those injuries can re-occur year after year severely effecting progress, until you are restricted to weights that light you wont grow...
 
As the guys have already said, starting later might be wiser, though hardly less 'dangerous', since the limited use of moderately-dosed AAS is rarely dangerous in any meaningful way. Of course not using at all would obviously be even wiser, however if you have certain physique goals or your ambition is to be superhumanly muscular, you're likely to take AAS (or some kind of SARM) anyway.

As for myelin, that's a bit random, perhaps you could explain the theory as you've read it elsewhere? As GF says, AAS are likely to be beneficial in that regards and I can't think of any mechanism that would inhibit specifically myelin production - you'd die pretty quickly if your body was unable to produce any new myelin!
 
Well whats more scaring is the heart thing...Does it rly enlarge?? But what if u dont use growth hormone?

Athletic adaptation of the heart is expected with most sports, but AAS can negatively affect the structural composition of myocardium, leading to fibrosis which over the longer term can have serious consequences...
 
There is no one answer fits all I'm afraid.. It might be a more prudent option to wait a while longer rather than jump on at 21, apart from epiphyseal growth plate closure there are very few immediate negative issues that spring to mind... Most issues are long term, and mainly cardiovascular.. Issues with tendon weakening could effect some people..

Building up slowly, Not jumping on huge doses for too long would be advisable, with sufficient time off to allow the body to fully recover..

To still obtain a decent physique well into your 50's, apart from sensible AAS usage, I would strongly recommend you look after your connective tissue, by always taking the time to warm up, using a slow piston style full range of motion, and forget about 1 rep-max's your mates are doing... Once you have damaged tendons or connective tissue those injuries can re-occur year after year severely effecting progress, until you are restricted to weights that light you wont grow...

This term seems oddly familiar :P
I wholeheartedly agree with your statement though. Honestly if it wasn't for my low test, I would've waited a bit til I started gear.
 
This term seems oddly familiar :P
I wholeheartedly agree with your statement though. Honestly if it wasn't for my low test, I would've waited a bit til I started gear.

70's-80's style training is what we were brought up with... Probably similar age to DrX too..
 
I've just always described it as Russian Roulette. You can be 100% prepared and still fail. And you can be completely ignorant and somehow survive.
 
There is no determined age. The reason why people generally agree with the 21-25 age range before proceeding to take steroids is largely down to your stage in development at those particular ages. Typically, a man has finished puberty somewhere near 21-25 although some people go in before their 30s before finishing puberty. During puberty, your body is naturally providing you with the necessary chemistry to grow and develop. Growth of bones, facial hair and pubic hair, deepening of the voice etc.

During this time, compared to later in life, your body is vulnerable. Vulnerable because it's perfectly tuned chemical balance is delivering in its own particular way in your own personal way, your growth into a grown man. That's why they say don't do drugs before your 18 or don't get married at a really young age. It's because, typically speaking, in one way or another, you haven't finished developing. And you can fuck the chemical balance in your body just by including chemicals which will interfere with the natural process of your development.

So it's more of a catch-all advisory statement. Just like your mother saying when your kid, you make the rules when your my age. The same applies to taking steroids. When your young, ie. Before the age of 18, your highly vulnerable in terms of biochemistry to development stalling or even cease of development from like I said, external sources. The truth is, IFBB Pro bodybuilders all began their journey to fame and being fucking huge at young ages. Some as young as 16. They had to start young in order to come into their professional prime at a reasonable age. Look at Jay Cutler. He was HUGE at 18 which means he would of had to of begun taking steroids even earlier to be that big in the first place.

When people talk of the dangers though. The danger applies to your natural production of testosterone. Steroids work by bypassing the liver (when injected) or passing the liver (when orally consumed) and they then are converted down into their respective testosterone derivatives. In this process, this sends messages to your body telling it to stop producing testosterone because there's already enough there in the system. So your body shuts down. You have NO testosterone now being naturally produced. This is where typical age comes into the fray. When your young, your HTPA is more fragile in recovery than when you are a mature man. This isn't to say that you can abuse steroids in your 30s or 40s but basically put, you can damage the whole process of testosterone production seeing as if you are under 21, your body is still developing and that includes the parts which give you your manhood chemicals.

No testosterone being produced and your body not being able to produce anymore, FULL STOP or very little EQUALS disaster. Now your injecting testosterone from a vial for the rest of your life. Stop taking your medication which once was a fun chemical to look and feel good now becomes a REQUIRED drug that makes or breaks you. And that is ultimately what every experienced steroid user will tell you. The whole, you might fuck up your HTPA and never be able to produce enough testosterone again and be sucking the shit out of pharmaceutical grade testosterone with a needle and syringe for the rest of your life. And that isn't good. We don't take these drugs to end up dependant on them. We take them because they help us get big, recover faster and exceed past our physical goals.

Lower age = more chance of potentially hurting your natural chemical balance in the body and therefore your ability to produce the very chemical which you have been injected in the first place.

Higher age = less chance of permanent damage to your internals and less chance of developing psychiatric conditions from overwhelming your body which in turn affects your mind seeing as testosterone isn't just there for your dick, it also aids in cognition and mood too. And there are many men out there who have roasted their mind as well as their body from abusing AAS.

In general, you MIGHT be okay but that risk to reward ratio is easily 50:50. I didn't start taking AAS until I was 24. By then I had researched these chemicals and their properties for nearly 2 years. I already knew I was at the end of puberty and I wasn't going to grow anymore naturally. I also had been working out for several years beforehand and so had a foundation which you need when taking steroids otherwise what you gain will just wave goodbye to you when you come off or when and if you abuse them and steroids are very easy to abuse because who doesn't like having 100x the amount of testosterone in their system? Who doesn't like feeling like a juggernaut? Who doesn't like being able to lift heavy, recover and go back the next day feeling like you've rested all week?

I suggest you do some research because it's your livelihood, literally, your very existence as a male, as a man which is at stake here. Pin that 250mg of Sustanon too early in your life and that could be the drug you DEPEND on for the rest of your life whilst all the other dudes are out there living their lives with a dick that gets hard without drugs and a body that isn't dependent on synthetic hormones.

Hope I helped and if any more experienced users could maybe chirp in, that would be cool.
 
I do not recommend anyone under the age of 24 to experiment with AAS. I recall being fascinated with anabolics when I was only 16years old. When I was 18 I acquired a cycles worth of Deca and 60 x 20mg Dianabol tablets.. I ended up taking the D-bol for one week before I asked myself if I wanted to risk my health and natural testosterone levels at such a young age. I ended up getting rid of it all and decided to wait until I was older.
I didn't do my first cycle until I was 26. As a lot would agree, the first cycle reaps the most gains so make sure you do it correctly (Proper stack with solid PCT and cycle support for the liver if you're going to be taking orals). I gained 24lbs of muscle (5lbs being water weight) in 4 weeks on my first cycle which consisted of these 3: Methylstenbolone 25mg/day (stronger then anadrol, and stated to be 3x more potent then Test Prop.) Test Prop., and Tren followed by 4 weeks of PCT. I used both Clomid and Nolva and gradually reduced by dosage weekly. I used milk thristle and and an AI Arimistane for cycle support to keep my liver as healthy as possible and to reduce the extra estrogen that was created in my anabolic state. I ended up keeping almost all of my gains... I have now done about 5 cycles after that one with not as great results in regards to the muscle gain (24lbs in 4 weeks is incredible) It's been more like 9-13lbs for a 4 week cycle, but water retention has been down and the gains are very dry so I dig it. :)
 
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