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Kaden_Nite
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I didn't think much of 5-MAPB at first. My first one or two tries I'd describe as purely serotonergic. There were elements of empathy and well-being, but it also felt kind of cold, lethargic, disorienting.
I actually fell asleep for a while on the come-up and was ready to write it off, but my friend grabbed the vial deciding we just needed to take more and damn, she was right.
Once hitting a certain dose, stimulant effects took hold and it was fucking awesome; it warmed up, became really euphoric. Felt very close to MDMA; not as loved up, but we could keep it going all weekend with bumps that kicked in faster than any drug I've ever snorted. It was like a completely different drug after crossing that dosage bridge.
Definitely found it to be a stimulant, or a drug with strong stimulant properties at higher doses.
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Kaden_Nite
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I've always thought of MDMA as being a very finely tuned drug (regarding it's effects on neurotransmitters) to produce the very specific effect that it's known for.You eat pill after pill for days on end that’s the simstim method lol
6-APB is incredibly speedy yes, 5-MAPB is a long lasting more relaxed empathogen. It’s considered to have little speediness and often mixed with other stimulants to give it kick. It mostly adds duration and extra oxytocin/serotonin vibe to it.
That is correct, you can mix and match to perfect the character of the roll. There’s been this belief that one needs full doses of each but that’s how folks have been absolutely floored. A lot of the ecstasy pills in my area back in the day were 75mg MDMA 25mg MDA, 1 to 1.5 was all that was needed.
My experiences with 5-MAPB gave me some insight into how important it is to have all gears in check to experience the well-rounded effects of these drugs. There's a lot of focus on serotonin's role, but maybe some people don't get the adranergic effects at typical doses of MDMA?
Just a thought.
So this is one of those moments where I gotta call batch variation. Having tried multiple batches now, each one was really different. Only the first batch I got (which I’m so sadly down to my last 50mg) was one that I could take as a stand alone drug and it truly rivaled MDMA in every way.
I’ve talked about this one on here a bit but my first time with 5-MAPB was like my first time with MDMA. I took 45mg followed by another 45mg an hour later. I was toast. I was dancing so hard sweat was slinging off me, I smelled like absolute shit from working all day and then going straight to the show but couldn’t have cared less, the only experience I’ve ever said shit to people I later regretted (that kinda roll.). It was also the first roll I’d had where 5-6hrs later as the lights turned on signaling folks to leave, I had another couple hours in me still. Off 90mg…
I’d say it was a one off, but I literally gave that drug to almost everyone I knew. I was on a high just from discovering this wonder. I watched miracles happen from this shit, it truly brought about absolutely beautiful character changes in people. One guy started a spiritual practice over night after his first use, my brother literally went out and bought a puppy the day after his lol, I facilitated a really rough break up with it, watched people relive past traumas, the list goes on and on.
Thankfully enough the most recent batch I have I can tell has potential but it’s missing that.. And I know you’ll hate hearing this, but “magic.” (Although I have hopes some purification can change that.) With MDMA I’m not as much a believer in it, but with 5-MAPB I’ve got the proof still in my hands of a time when the stuff really did work miracles.
All this said, I agree MDMA still is the better empathogen. And while it’s receptor/effects profile is one of the best (if not still the best) I feel it’s not perfect. Hence my continuing efforts to try combinations that I feel can bring about a better experience in one way or another. 5-MAPB has a much steadier long lasting experience that helps smooth out any bumps along the way with MDMA, it also adds as I said additional empathy and often deeper emotional insights.
5-MAPB in the end too is dangerous for many people alone, as if you take too much the side effects are brutal. I’d never want to take more than the 90 I did of that first batch and even feel that was too much, I feel this is what gave it a bad rep in the beginning. It’s got great effects if dosed properly, but too many people don’t know how to stop sometimes.
Like people probably look at some of the combos I write like I just pulled this shit outta my ass. But it all has a purpose and place. For instance back to the combo I was speaking of.. People scoff at the measly 100mg phenibut. The point isn’t to add a phenibut high in here, it’s to help boost the experience based on the fact gaba-b agonism has a modulatory effect on MDMA. I theorized this is why MDMA and GHB are highly rated together, but phenibut is the much better option for its duration and subtlety. (On this thread of thought baclofen could potentially be the best for this purpose but that’s on the to do list.)
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xtcgrrrl
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Wow, you’re living up to your username, @G_Chem - the in-depth background on “how it works” is one of the reasons I come on this site. I am insatiably curious, about almost everything, but especially about drugs and how they function. I’m no chemist, but I’ve taken neuropsychology classes and I have at least a rudimentary understanding of how the brain works. So I like to expand my knowledge of how drugs do what they do whenever possible. There’s so much we don’t know about the brain, it truly is one of the last frontiers in science.
Thank you for taking the time to explain and sharing the results of the research you’ve done on this topic! Now I’m super interested in getting my hands on some 5-MAPB…
Thank you for taking the time to explain and sharing the results of the research you’ve done on this topic! Now I’m super interested in getting my hands on some 5-MAPB…
Kaden_Nite
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The night and day effects I got were all from the same batch (fine tan powder) and in the same setting and pretty much the same underlying mindset, so in my case, it was just the dose. It didn't become well rounded until I hit that dose. I can't say how much that was exactly as I didn't weigh every increment, but roughly 100mg to get over the hill into good territory, just under a quarter gram all up over the weekend. Didn't sleep until Sunday night. (not good HR I know, wouldn't recommend as everyone reacts differently, but we were having a blast and not watching the clock).
That said, I did get a tiny crystal of amethyst 5-MAPB later that year, which I vaped and gave me an immediate stimulant kick. The few times I'd vaped the tan stuff, it gave that lackluster feel I got from low doses. Different salts maybe, and I was on mushrooms when I had the amethyst stuff so, a lot of variables there.
Interesting stuff, but I'll do what I should have done with MDMA and leave it as a tried and tested drug with fun memories. Not that I don't have fun memories of MDMA, I just did too much for too long and got over it.
xtcgrrrl
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Ok so I was told if you have both Molly and e pills that you shouldn’t take the e before the Molly, it’ll ruin the Molly roll cuz the e is weaker (generally these are cut with AT THE VERY LEAST fillers etc) and it would weaken the Molly roll, to do molly first and then e, I just want to know if there’s any truth to this?
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That really depends I guess. Some pills are dosed higher than many people sell Molly pills dosed at.
The fillers are inert by design and shouldn't interfere in any way or weaken a roll in any way.
If you are sure that your pills are mdma then it really shouldn't matter.
Yup shouldn’t matter unless there’s other drugs in the pills. Generally these days most ecstasy pills in the NE US aren’t MDMA, while loose crystal MDMA is much more common. So it’s likely some interaction between the other drugs and the MD.
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xtcgrrrl
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Yes, I will have loose crystals (1g worth) and 3 e pills. I wasn’t assuming the pills would be pure, of course. They are almost always more speedy and less “loved up” than the Molly, but for some reason I tend to roll harder off of the e pills than the Molly? Curious
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In 19 years of rolling off and on I've never had crystal mdma (Molly). Only pills.
I just never seem to come across it anywhere but the internet.
xtcgrrrl
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I’ve had quite a lot of it; in fact, my first-ever time rolling was on molly. Which explains why I was so, ahem, overcome by the experience
xtcgrrrl
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Ok, so, my guy was out of Molly (still have a chance to get it before this upcoming weekend) but I did get 3 more e pills, he threw in half a broken one for free and bit of 6-APB because he was sorry he couldn’t deliver the Molly, and he’s a good guy and a friend of mine for a long time. Also got shrooms, chocolate bar form and liquid. And weed, ofc. So I’m still debating how to go about this, how to structure my night.
That’s surprising to be honest! My wife did some school down by you and also mentioned the few times she saw people rolling it was pills.
Where I’m at… It’s all loose crystal. Good crystal MDMA at that. Now having traveled a bit I’ve yet to see better.
Very likely some Amphetamines/caffeine mixed in, and often loose crystal while being legit MDMA still has impurities from synthesizing that can dull the roll. I’ve heard this too but it’s never been true for me. Pills and shards have more or less been the same, minus slight variations that I put down to synthesis route.
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xtcgrrrl
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Good to know, I was kinda concerned that not having Molly (if it works out that way) would equate to a weaker roll. But my guy swore to me that his stuff is TESTED and has MDMA. I’m gonna run a further test for fent, just cuz that’s been waaaaay too prevalent around here…my bestie won’t even do e pills anymore cuz of that reason.
Kaden_Nite
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It's not a popular opinion these days, but I've always favoured pills over crystal. I worry that crystal is too easily tampered with down the line, while pills are at least the same article that the manufacturer intended. Plus they have identifiers, I've always had good luck with them and typically get a higher dose of MDMA in presses than I'd get in a capsule or from an equally priced fraction of a gram.
Also, a lot of the crystal in Australia is discoloured with synth impurities; brown or purple-ish rocks and yellow sugars etc; not the way carefully produced MDMA should look. It still goes okay and people are generally happy with it, so whatever. Just a personal preference.
I understand this is all specific to my region, situation, contacts etc. If you find fine white crystalline powder or even clear crystal that does the trick at the dose it's intended; definitely go with it.
Also, a lot of the crystal in Australia is discoloured with synth impurities; brown or purple-ish rocks and yellow sugars etc; not the way carefully produced MDMA should look. It still goes okay and people are generally happy with it, so whatever. Just a personal preference.
I understand this is all specific to my region, situation, contacts etc. If you find fine white crystalline powder or even clear crystal that does the trick at the dose it's intended; definitely go with it.
Kaden_Nite
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Nice. Have you tried it before? It's definitely on my to-do list but I've never got round to it.
xtcgrrrl
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Have not tried it before. This year has been an interesting one for RCs for me; I’ve tried both 2c-b (loved it) and I bought some 3mmc (is that the same as mephedrone?) but have not tried that one yet. I heard that 6-APB is more speed-like than euphoric, is that true?