2017 Trump Presidency Thread
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cj
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The Graham Cassidy bill that would leave millions without healthcare. The tax cuts for the 1 percent that will further increase wealth disperity. The border wall that will be completely innefective.
If he was serious about immigration he would propose a law that fines employers 1k for every hour an undocumented employee works for them. Illegals would go home almost overnight as work dried up but they won't do that because it would hurt his rich friends who rely heavily on cheap labor from illegal workers.
Healthcare is obviously more complicated but the ACA was originally a republican idea pushed by the heritage foundation and implemented in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney. It's not perfect but fixing it's flaws is the obvious way forward that's best for our country.
Tax cuts. Oh the religion of tax cuts. How we have faith in your ideals. I'm no economist but income inequality will not be e solved by trickle down economic voodoo. It's a scam the wealthy get rich of our largess as they find new ways to screw us.
cduggles
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At Least 6 White House Advisers Used Private Email Accounts
WASHINGTON — At least six of President Trump’s closest advisers occasionally used private email addresses to discuss White House matters, current and former officials said on Monday.
The disclosures came a day after news surfaced that Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and adviser, used a private email account to send or receive about 100 work-related emails during the administration’s first seven months. But Mr. Kushner was not alone. Stephen K. Bannon, the former chief White House strategist, and Reince Priebus, the former chief of staff, also occasionally used private email addresses. Other advisers, including Gary D. Cohn and Stephen Miller, sent or received at least a few emails on personal accounts, officials said.
Ivanka Trump, the president’s elder daughter, who is married to Mr. Kushner, used a private account when she acted as an unpaid adviser in the first months of the administration, Newsweek reported Monday. Administration officials acknowledged that she also occasionally did so when she formally became a White House adviser. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter with reporters.
WASHINGTON — At least six of President Trump’s closest advisers occasionally used private email addresses to discuss White House matters, current and former officials said on Monday.
The disclosures came a day after news surfaced that Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and adviser, used a private email account to send or receive about 100 work-related emails during the administration’s first seven months. But Mr. Kushner was not alone. Stephen K. Bannon, the former chief White House strategist, and Reince Priebus, the former chief of staff, also occasionally used private email addresses. Other advisers, including Gary D. Cohn and Stephen Miller, sent or received at least a few emails on personal accounts, officials said.
Ivanka Trump, the president’s elder daughter, who is married to Mr. Kushner, used a private account when she acted as an unpaid adviser in the first months of the administration, Newsweek reported Monday. Administration officials acknowledged that she also occasionally did so when she formally became a White House adviser. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter with reporters.
multiple sources now reporting that a number of trump staffers used personal email for government business.
lock them up, right, trump fans?
alasdair
cj
Bluelight Crew
At the very least there should be an investigation on the scale of the one they did on Clinton
Escher's Waterfall
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Repeating this meme:
Also, quite a good article about this in the Washington Post recently about two figures whose personal beliefs lead to public displays on the football field:
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Speaking of which, don't Jehovah Witnesses also refuse to stand for the anthem? I wonder what Trump thinks about them.
As for that stadium picture, I can't tell even what year it is in the picture or the circumstances of that event. A reverse image search isn't helpful.
Plus, TBH, I don't go to professional games. So maybe stadiums normally look like that during some games.
Also, quite a good article about this in the Washington Post recently about two figures whose personal beliefs lead to public displays on the football field:
- Washington Post
Speaking of which, don't Jehovah Witnesses also refuse to stand for the anthem? I wonder what Trump thinks about them.
As for that stadium picture, I can't tell even what year it is in the picture or the circumstances of that event. A reverse image search isn't helpful.
Plus, TBH, I don't go to professional games. So maybe stadiums normally look like that during some games.
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Fresco
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If you mean the current healthcare bill thats up before Senate, how would you even know whats exactly in it??
Tax cuts means more available money, which means more spending into the economy, which means creation of jobs
There already is a wall (or a fence) which both Obama and Hillary voted in favor of.
Trump's wall will just be a bigger and better version, and until its built and tested out neither you or I can predict how effective it will be.
Unless you have a crystal ball we dont know about??
JessFR
Bluelight Crew
Tax cuts also means less money for the government to spend on retarded projects like a wall.
cj
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No it means less money to spend on social programs like Medicaid and Medicare. The reason they want to repeal the ACA is so they can pass tax cuts and call them revenue nuetral.
The Graham Cassidy bill has many of the same provisions as the last ACA repeal which the CBO scored as likely to cost 20 million Americans there health insurance. It also eliminates the protection for people with pre existing conditions which will hurt my family significantly. Ask yourself this if the bill was do great why don't they won't the CBO to score it? It's because they know it's bad and it would never pass if how bad it is was truly known. Thankfully it appears dead anyway so it doesn't matter.
I know a wall won't work because I have common sense. It's a stupid idea. Like I said before if Republicans are serious about ending illegal immigration they would pass a law which fines businesses 1k for every hour an illegal immigrant works for you. The immagrants would leave once work dried up. Of course they will not do this because republican donors rely on the cheap labor of illegal immigrants. The wall is political theatre.
Also trickle down economics has been thoroughly debunked. Rich people having more money does not lead to job creation.
Tax is just the price we pay for living in society.
"Tax cuts" are one of those political "sweetner" buzzwords, but in reality they tend to benefit the wealthy (people that don't need them) at the expense of the working classes and the disadvantaged, who often do need medical and social programs to help them survive.
Unfortunately in our current fucked-up world, the prosperity of the wealthy is valued much more than the very survival of the less well-off.
I would describe it as robbing from the poor to give to the rich. Robin Hood in reverse.
"Tax cuts" are one of those political "sweetner" buzzwords, but in reality they tend to benefit the wealthy (people that don't need them) at the expense of the working classes and the disadvantaged, who often do need medical and social programs to help them survive.
Unfortunately in our current fucked-up world, the prosperity of the wealthy is valued much more than the very survival of the less well-off.
I would describe it as robbing from the poor to give to the rich. Robin Hood in reverse.
JessFR
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The really insidious thing about tax cuts is the way they pander to people's aspirations to be rich, even the very people that are getting most screwed over by it.
It's the sort of manipulation that got trump elected - people seeing a shyster as a "winner" and a bullshit artist as a "straight talker".
Orwellian "doublespeak" comes to mind.
Crazy ways of making people vote against their own interests by getting behind shit that has absolutely no benefit to them, and actively makes their lives more difficult.
It's the sort of manipulation that got trump elected - people seeing a shyster as a "winner" and a bullshit artist as a "straight talker".
Orwellian "doublespeak" comes to mind.
Crazy ways of making people vote against their own interests by getting behind shit that has absolutely no benefit to them, and actively makes their lives more difficult.
the republican healthcare bills, broadly, wish to fund a massive $400 billion tax cut for the richest in america by cutting healthcare for millions of americans.
'trickle down' economics has been thoroughly debunked by now.
see this (or any one of a thousand articles like it): THE IMF CONFIRMS THAT 'TRICKLE-DOWN' ECONOMICS IS, INDEED, A JOKE
alasdair
JessFR
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It's crazy isn't it. The poor voting for one of the wealthiest men on earth, cause he speaks for them? It's like when I see those "women for trump" banners it makes me think of "Jews for hitler" or something.
If you even need a separate "women for YOU" part of your campaign that's a problem right there.
Fresco
Bluelighter
That article is a pile of bullshit!!
I'm a landlord myself, and whenever I have an increase in revenue I wind up spending (a lot ) more. More money into the economy leads to more goods being sold, which leads to more goods being manufactured, which leads to an increase of employment
Scrofula
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Wait, so when you make more money, you spend it? Shocking.
You realize that money didn't appear from nowhere? It added nothing to the economy, it came from your tenants, who spend less now.
ETA: and the very name is a joke. "Supply-side economics" if you wanna sound serious. Letting the wealthy get wealthier comes at someone's expense. Saying it trickles back down is supposed to show how callous the idea is. Tossing crumbs from your cake down at the masses who baked it for you. Or a landlord who buys a new benz with the rent increase, but stops to get gas amd some slimjims at the local kwik-e-mart, so it's all good.
You realize that money didn't appear from nowhere? It added nothing to the economy, it came from your tenants, who spend less now.
ETA: and the very name is a joke. "Supply-side economics" if you wanna sound serious. Letting the wealthy get wealthier comes at someone's expense. Saying it trickles back down is supposed to show how callous the idea is. Tossing crumbs from your cake down at the masses who baked it for you. Or a landlord who buys a new benz with the rent increase, but stops to get gas amd some slimjims at the local kwik-e-mart, so it's all good.
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Fresco
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I suppose you never heard of inflation??
insightful analysis.
look at it this way. depending on who you prefer to believe, the top 1% in the u.s. own wealth equivalent to between 50% to 90% of the rest of us. agreed?
whether you lean towards 50% or 90%, that is already a huge inequality in financial terms, right?
so why do they need even more money before they'll magically create jobs?
before reagan - the champion of trickle-down - the rich paid ~75% in taxes and u.s. c.e.o.s earned about 30 times as much as their average worker. reagan cut taxes on the richest americans to ~28% and, today, u.s. c.e.o.s make ~370 times as much as their average worker and 1 in 3 american families are classified as "working poor".
trickle down economics doesn't work.
here's a chart that proves it very simply:
here are another four which lay it out quite clearly in terms of the effect of cutting the top tax rate and its effect on economic growth, income growth, wage growth and job creation (respectively):
so go ahead and call it bullshit but trickle down economics doesn't work.
well, it works in one regard. republicans use it as a carrot to promise their supporters that they'll all be rich if they simply vote republican. cast a vote and the american dream comes true overnight! because trickle down!
alasdair
cj
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theMerovingian
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I suppose life is based on taxes and death. Cause we all got to pay some tax and we are all going to die at some stage.
Fair taxation across all classes is what is needed. Tax breaks for the wealthy just aint fair and those with brains know that.
Fair taxation across all classes is what is needed. Tax breaks for the wealthy just aint fair and those with brains know that.
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