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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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has anybody read the call transcripts that were released?

his call with nieto hardly reads like the performance of the world's greatest negotiator. it reads like the pleading of somebody who knows they've backed themselves into a corner and is out of their depth at this level of diplomacy.

any trump supporters read them? your thoughts?

alasdair
 
Sorry, my amygdala was hijacked.

[video]https://youtu.be/swcJzacZkWU[/video]
 
^ oh, absolutely.

apparently when obama was president, executive orders were the work of the devil. now trump loves them.

when obama was president, going on vacation was a capital crime and the money used to service (e.g. secure) the president's vacations was demonstration of wastefulness. trump's taken about 3 times as much vacation time as obama and he's on pace to spend more on travel in 1 year than obama spent in 8.

yeah, you really know where you stand with our straight-shooting president.

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alasdair
 
I think so because my wife had said earlier imagine if Obama had said some of the things Trump says. I tried, but you're right seeing those words come out of the Obama impersonator really had a more profound effect than trying to imagine it.
 
Erikmen said:
The Russia nonsense? Really!?
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Just look into it, this isn't pizzagate this is WTC 7.


Escher's Waterfall said:
Isn't he the guy where the police showed up within minutes of his death?

Do criminals normally stick around when police are showing up?
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The Profiling Project, based in Arlington, Virginia, consists of around 20 volunteers who are current and former George Washington University forensic-psychology graduate students and instructors. The report states that Rich’s July 2016 “death does not appear to be a random homicide” or “a robbery gone bad,” as police had suggested. Instead, the report says, the “death was more likely committed by a hired killer or serial murderer,” and that the killer is likely still at large.

http://www.newsweek.com/seth-rich-murder-report-profiling-project-627634



 
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David Wooderson said:
The Profiling Project, based in Arlington, Virginia, consists of around 20 volunteers who are current and former George Washington University forensic-psychology graduate students and instructors. The report states that Rich’s July 2016 “death does not appear to be a random homicide” or “a robbery gone bad,” as police had suggested. Instead, the report says, the “death was more likely committed by a hired killer or serial murderer,” and that the killer is likely still at large.
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Did you read the article you posted?

As for the conspiracy theories, the Profiling Project says those are unfounded, given that Rich did not die immediately at the scene: “A professional killer, whose sole job would have been to terminate Seth, did not accomplish their mission prior to escaping.”

Of course, in their report, they state that they did not have access to police records, ME records, or any lab results. So the validity of their research is a little questionable.

Speaking of questionable, do they not teach students about the prosecutor's fallacy? Because parts of their report seems to be edging up to it.
 
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I haven't heard about the prosecutor's fallacy! My sister is a prosecutor, and I've pointed out her fallacies numerous times, though.

Please give me another to kindly point out to her.
 
You guys heard the latest stupid conspiracy? I mean this one's really lame: it says that Trump is actually a boorish simpleton who just inherited some money and a team of fantastic accountants, who ran for office out of a grudge against Obama and black people generally.

OK, that's not the conspiracy. It actually says that strategists in the 1960s working for Nixon, developed a plan to alter the voting demographics in the Southern US, by appealing to baser instincts in the electorate. This was so successful it created a whole new career path for psychopaths everywhere. Folks like Lee Atwater behind the scenes, and Rush Limbaugh in front, started planting a false narrative about the meaning of liberal democracy, the ostensible thing white bigots live in, and were urged to hate.

Limbaugh got improbably rich on AM radio, and that was enough for a whole new media. The tabloid king Rupert Murdoch bought a US cable channel in the wake of CNN's success in Gulf War I, put Nixon Ratfucker Roger Ailes in charge, and Fox News went from Murdoch tabloid to parody news with an agenda straight from the RNC. That gave a mouth piece to more and more leeches willing to parrot any side for cash and a spot on TV.

Eventually Fox's outrageousness began to feel more pedestrian, and the internet came along to push the envelope. When boadband access caught up, folks like Alex Jones/whosajiggawa could rile up millions of weird skinny white dudes. Unfotunately, these new rogue outlets were cutoff from the mothership of the RNC, and ideology, already flimsy, was lost completely in a vortex of conspiracies. Sometimes those conspiracies even impinged on Republican goals!

So praise Satan, what a blessing when a learning-impaired egoist came to power. He could just hire one of these guys, and nabbed the heir to Breitbart's atherosclerotic throne, Bannon. The direct-connection between government and media was restored. Meanwhile, viewers/listeners continued to think their outlets, fed directly from the White House, like direct no joke, President's mouth to your screen, was in fact a pariah, oppressed by the establishment, and the only source of real information.

How stupid is that one? You'd have to be as divorced from reality as LiquidMethod to believe all that.
 
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alasdairm said:
liquidmethod, set aside your bias for a second. try to also set aside your assumptions that anybody with whom you disagree is an idiot who couldn't possibly have a different opinion to you unless they're insane.

how would you react if the investigation finds that trump and members of his team did indeed collude with a foreign government in an attempt to affect the outcome of a u.s. presidential election. assume, for the purpose of this discussion, that there's a great deal of evidence and it is, for want of a less coincident term, unimpeachable. it's not fake news. it absolutely happened without a shadow of a doubt.
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second time of asking. what then?

alasdair
 
Scrofula said:
You'd have to be as divorced from reality as LiquidMethod to believe all that.
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You talk a lot yet you never answer any direct questions.


Russian PM Dmitry Medvedev:

The US President's signing of the package of new sanctions against Russia will have a few consequences. First, it ends hopes for improving our relations with the new US administration. Second, it is a declaration of a full-fledged economic war on Russia. Third, the Trump administration has shown its total weakness by handing over executive power to Congress in the most humiliating way. This changes the power balance in US political circles.

What does it mean for them? The US establishment fully outwitted Trump; the President is not happy about the new sanctions, yet he could not but sign the bill. The issue of new sanctions came about, primarily, as another way to knock Trump down a peg. New steps are to come, and they will ultimately aim to remove him from power. A non-systemic player has to be removed. Meanwhile, the interests of the US business community are all but ignored, with politics chosen over a pragmatic approach. Anti-Russian hysteria has become a key part of both US foreign policy (which has occurred many times) and domestic policy (which is a novelty).

The sanctions regime has been codified and will remain in effect for decades unless a miracle happens. This legislation is going to be harsher than the Jackson-Vanik amendment as it is overarching and cannot be lifted by a special presidential order without Congress' approval. Thus, relations between Russia and the United States are going to be extremely tense regardless of Congress' makeup and regardless of who is president. Lengthy arguments in international bodies and courts are ahead, as well as rising international tensions and refusal to settle major international issues.

What does it mean for us? We will steadily continue our work on developing the economy and social sector, take efforts to substitute imports, and solve major national tasks, relying mostly on ourselves. We have learned to do so in the past few years, in conditions of almost closed financial markets as well as foreign investors' and creditors' fear of investing in Russia upon penalty of sanctions against third parties and countries. To some extent, this has even been to our advantage, although sanctions are meaningless overall. We will cope.
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alasdairm said:
second time of asking. what then?

alasdair
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I already replied to this but it must not have posted.
I tried to answer your question but couldn't. Gotta be more specific, what is the definition of collude? "Collusion" and "affecting the outcome" of an election are not crimes. Does collusion include just standard oppo research? And more importantly do we go after collusion from both campaigns including the losing one? The media is largely silent on the collusion between the Clinton campaign and Russia yet those ties are there, and they are objectively stronger and far more questionable than the alleged ties of Trump (there's that evidence thing again).
So who gets to stay in power? Whoever colluded the least?

To give the best answer I can to your vague question - I wouldn't give a shit. For the US establishment to cry foul on this occasion while they literally interfere into the elections of all other states at all other times is a bit much, don't ya think? Bit of karma, maybe?
 
LiquidMethod said:
I already replied to this but it must not have posted.
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it did post but you deleted it.

LiquidMethod said:
I tried to answer your question but couldn't. Gotta be more specific, what is the definition of collude? "Collusion" and "affecting the outcome" of an election are not crimes. Does collusion include just standard oppo research? And more importantly do we go after collusion from both campaigns including the losing one? The media is largely silent on the collusion between the Clinton campaign and Russia yet those ties are there, and they are objectively stronger and far more questionable than the alleged ties of Trump (there's that evidence thing again).
So who gets to stay in power? Whoever colluded the least?
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i'm sure exactly what you're saying here beyond, yet again, somebody else did something bad too so it's ok.

LiquidMethod said:
I wouldn't give a shit.
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thanks for actually answering the question. only 5 words but says an awful lot.

alasdair
 
Scrofula said:
You guys heard the latest stupid conspiracy? I mean this one's really lame: it says that Trump is actually a boorish simpleton who just inherited some money and a team of fantastic accountants, who ran for office out of a grudge against Obama and black people generally.
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I think he is a remarkable brand ambassador and he choose patriotism as his brand, and I respect him for that.

Again if it was as simple as getting a bunch of free money from your parents and having smart ppl and accountants and being boring YOU WOULD NOT BE FUCKING PRESIDENT!

There is a reason why most generational wealth is squandered in 3 generations, because money doesn't buy happiness, love, heirs or a future as the President of the USA.

The man was cunning, he out-foxed all the hacks at their own game as an amateur, and won.

He worked hard for many years, and actualized his life long dream.

Deal with it.
 
Liquid, I asked in the other thread, the story you quote, why is Trump upset with the sanctions?


And Dave: overpaying for four casinos and overpriced retrofits, then putting them in direct competition, is something a stupid person does.

Working the bankruptcy settlements so you manage to profit out of billions of dollars lost, really IS cunning.

Which one did which, Trump or his accountant?
 
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