2017 Trump Presidency Thread

[LiquidMethod]

“What you are going to have is the potential for a powerful obstruction case"

Potential? You mean there is currently no case?
And it is all going to be based on obstruction? Obstruction of what exactly?

What is the specific crime committed?

As a stupid dumbfuck Trump supporter that's the only thing I'd like to know.

Meanwhile..

We got all this EVIDENCE of a family from Pakistan with no security clearances receiving $5 million while storing the info of 30 House Democrats offsite and having access to the DNC's servers through Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's iPad that nobody seems to give a fuck about. Do we care about the law, facts and evidence before we go after someone? Is Trump's fairyland-unicorn crime more severe than this?

 

[Scrofula]

yes yes, Shillary Killary's emails. Combed over and argled bargled on an election distraction done with nearly a year ago. They found a risotto recipe question. Frankly, I think you can add stock to your risotto much faster than they say, but not all at once. You can go to the bathroom too, you don't have to constantly stir.

Thing is, liquid, we don't know yet what indictments the grand jury might return, and how many people are involved. It is awful fun to speculate, though. See, a guy more in the know speculates it could be obstruction, which seems reasonable when you fire the guy investigating you; it's not even a position the President is supposed to oversee (just the Attorney General). Point is, a former FBI director has evidence to present to a jury, and charges he wants to file. Criminal ones, not some civil pay-a-fine shit. He's asking a jury to let him take people to trial. Right now.

I doubt they'd bring treason charges against a sitting president, just many of his aides. Although, if/when they do that, it would come from the OTHER fucking grand jury, the one for Flynn et al. This one might include just the domestic shenanigans he's been up to, by which I mean obstruction and probably all of the finance laws. Not to mention the simple unconstitutional act of profiting off of his office.

In any case, I brought it up as an example of you being wrong about something, cause you said you admit it promptly.

 

[Scrofula]

I'll let smarter people point out what the Mueller investigation means:

"Grand juries don’t investigate hoaxes, and there are rules against using them for anything resembling a political witch hunt. As several former federal prosecutors told me, the grand jury is significant because it means that Mueller is in the midst of a “predicated” criminal investigation. That is, he has reached the point where he has evidence of criminal conduct. “It can’t be used for a fishing expedition,” Matt Olsen, a former federal prosecutor, said. “He’s got a very powerful tool to pursue specific federal crimes.” . . .

"the grand jury also makes it even more difficult and politically explosive for Trump to attempt to dismiss Mueller, whose use of a grand jury is the most concrete evidence yet that he is pursuing an expansive criminal case related to the Trump campaign’s possible involvement in Russia’s attempt to meddle in the 2016 election. That’s no hoax." . . . .

"The next stage of the process will be even more theatrical. After Mueller uses the grand jury to compel the production of documents and other evidence from targets and witnesses in the investigation, he will likely begin bringing witnesses in for testimony. Though it’s not a hard-and-fast rule, prosecutors often use F.B.I. interviews for witnesses they deem to be more friendly. They use a grand jury, before which testimony is under oath and transcribed, to lock in testimony from more adversarial witnesses."​

The New Yorker

I'm sorry, what about chocolate sauce on pizza?

 

[David Wooderson]

Meanwhile..

We got all this EVIDENCE of a family from Pakistan with no security clearances receiving $5 million while storing the info of 30 House Democrats offsite and having access to the DNC's servers through Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's iPad that nobody seems to give a fuck about. Do we care about the law, facts and evidence before we go after someone? Is Trump's fairyland-unicorn crime more severe than this?

This russia nonsense is going to backfire so badly for the DNC and nobody seems to get it, because 97% of the assholes today don't know a fucking thing about politics, the billion dollars spent on marketing politics has just brainwashed idiots with nothing better to do than knit pussy hats, block traffic and shoot cops in the face.

All of these true deplorable are going to cry like it's 2016 again when they find that Seth Rich was the real reason Trump won, and that the DNC actually colluded with foreign governments in attempt to steal the presidency.

It's heroes like Seth Rich that are a testament to true virtue and hold actual fascists accountable.

RIP to Seth

 

[Scrofula]

Proof that conspiracy idiots just can't handle the truth.

After Trump's resignation following all his Tax revalations from the subpoenas, we'll add Richers to the truthers and birthers and bigfoot hunters. And pizzagaters and all the other shit. Have fun watching UFOs. And crank calling Sandy Hook parents.

 

[alasdairm]

It also means figuratively now.

no. no it doesn't. it literally means the exact opposite.



alasdair

 

[Erikmen]

This russia nonsense is going to backfire so badly for the DNC

The Russia nonsense? Really!?

 

[Scrofula]

Cause the DNC's been so involved with this. This isn't the DNC, this is the Justice Department.

 

[LiquidMethod]

no. no it doesn't. it literally means the exact opposite.

literally adverb (informal):
used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true.
"I have received literally thousands of letters"

You should probably refrain from continuing to pick on me. I can continue to prove how wrong you are on every single occasion but I'm beginning to feel bad about it. Although I'm not expecting any rational political debate so as you were..

This russia nonsense is going to backfire so badly for the DNC and nobody seems to get it

I'm glad that someone here gets it. The denial of so many people to accept reality is kinda amusing, yet also frightening as to just how much some people put faith into the blatant deception of their "trusted" media.

yes yes, Shillary Killary's emails. Combed over and argled bargled on an election distraction done with nearly a year ago. They found a risotto recipe question. Frankly, I think you can add stock to your risotto much faster than they say, but not all at once. You can go to the bathroom too, you don't have to constantly stir.

I'm sorry but you have no f**king idea what you are talking about. Election distraction? Risotto recipe? How about classified, top-secret and Special Access Program intelligence? Do these words mean anything to you? She removed this intel from secure government networks and put them on a private server, on a fucking CLOUD storage! Not quite sure how to illustrate just how illegal, dangerous and irresponsible that was. Not being able to recognize, or wiling to admit the severity of Clinton's crimes is not a good thing. This is also a kind of a litmus test for idiots: let's say that Mueller comes out and says that Trump took SAP intelligence off of government networks and put them onto a private server of his and they had evidence. How could you honestly sit there and say that Trump should be charged for doing so? I hope the point I'm trying to make registers into some of your minds..

Thing is, liquid, we don't know yet what indictments the grand jury might return, and how many people are involved. It is awful fun to speculate, though. See, a guy more in the know speculates it could be obstruction, which seems reasonable when you fire the guy investigating you; it's not even a position the President is supposed to oversee (just the Attorney General). Point is, a former FBI director has evidence to present to a jury, and charges he wants to file. Criminal ones, not some civil pay-a-fine shit. He's asking a jury to let him take people to trial. Right now.

OK so basically you're saying that you do not know what the charge is, what the crime committed was, or anything at all really. "Could be" obstruction, OF WHAT CRIME? Also please stop lying: Comey stated on multiple occasions that the President was NOT under investigation, so Trump merely fired an incompetent and leaking FBI director that deserved to be fired. That is not a crime. (Also didn't Comey cost Clinton the election?) Also check out the guy supposedly convening this grand jury based on nothing. Robert Mueller "made the decision in 2005 to close a FBI grand jury investigation that was convened by the FBI in the 2001 investigation into former President Bill Clinton’s decision to pardon fugitive financier Marc Rich." < so the guy in the past has covered up crimes, and now he is going after someone based on no evidence. I'm glad that this isn't a witch hunt to remove a democratically-elected President and that we all simply care about justice..

In any case, I brought it up as an example of you being wrong about something, cause you said you admit it promptly.

I still have no idea what I am supposed to have been wrong about? I simply asked for the specific crime that Trump has committed. In fact I've probably asked close to 5 times and there was still no answer.... "uhhh maybe some potential obstruction of.... an investigation that wasn't officially happening.....or financial crimes.....is finance a crime?.........OH - TAX RETURNS!!"
Try harder..

Proof that conspiracy idiots just can't handle the truth.

I'm afraid that in this argument you are the conspiracy idiot (a MSM-backed conspiracy theory is still a conspiracy theory). You believe without demanding evidence that Russian hackers hacked into the DNC's servers and stole all their emails (under direction from Putin via collusion with Trump - did I get that right?), while on the other hand we have evidence (notice how I keep bringing that pesky word up to validate my arguments?) of Pakistani nationals without security clearances, who tried to flee the country, having direct access to the DNC's servers through Congressional passwords and equipment. I know which case would be stronger in a court of law.. Except we're now in a court of removing Orange Hitler.

Good luck with that..

 

[alasdairm]

Is Trump's fairyland-unicorn crime more severe than this?

we don't know. that's why there is an investigation. it's being investigated.

liquidmethod, set aside your bias for a second. try to also set aside your assumptions that anybody with whom you disagree is an idiot who couldn't possibly have a different opinion to you unless they're insane.

how would you react if the investigation finds that trump and members of his team did indeed collude with a foreign government in an attempt to affect the outcome of a u.s. presidential election. assume, for the purpose of this discussion, that there's a great deal of evidence and it is, for want of a less coincident term, unimpeachable. it's not fake news. it absolutely happened without a shadow of a doubt.

what then?

alasdair

 

[Scrofula]

Liquid, you were wrong about who was leading the investigation. I answered your question on the charges issue as many times as you've argle-bargled about it. You deflect to some conspiracy theory about people not even involved.

I, at least, will continue to pick on you as the delightful RT stooge-elf for as long as you post. THat someone can be so detached from reality and still able to type through the thorazine is truly impressive.

If you can't see the objective reality of convening two grand juries to investigate yr. boy and his former lackey, by the former FBI director, and want to call that fake or a hoax and the real story is who Hillary murdered the other day, then yeah, the only thing left is mockery.

 

[LiquidMethod]

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Isn't he the guy where the police showed up within minutes of his death?

Do criminals normally stick around when police are showing up?

 

[LiquidMethod]

Over a year later and they have zero leads, even though the DNC has potentially unlimited resources to catch his killer, not to mention there is over $100,000 in reward money that has been offered for info leading to the murderer(s). DC police have not released any of the bodycam footage from that night in an attempt to source information from the public, and DC police have not been forthcoming with any information related to the investigation. Basically they aren't confirming or denying anything.

 

[Shimmer.Fade]

RIP to Seth

Former Reporter For Russian Propaganda Outlet Was Told To Advance Seth Rich Hoax

http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/08/02/whoa-former-reporter-russian-propaganda-outlet-told-advance-seth-rich-hoax/

Fox News Retracts Seth Rich Story That Stirred Controversy

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/business/media/fox-news-seth-rich.html

Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale

http://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540783715/lawsuit-alleges-fox-news-and-trump-supporter-created-fake-news-story




Hey if you all can do conspiracies here's one for you.

The Russians killed Seth Rich after his contacts with Wikileaks (an organization sympathetic to Russian interests) in a false flag operation as ammunition against the DNC and Hillary. Everyone knows the Russians don't shy away from killing anyone they like. The Russian mob is filled with ex-KGB/FSB, and often appears as just another arm of the Russian government providing the perfect front for illicit activities.

At this point it would be fair to say Wikileaks is more or less working for the Russian government. Seth Rich singled himself out to the Russian government through his contact with Wikileaks, and a plot was born. Seth Rich gets shot, and the Russians have a juicy narrative ready for Breitbart and Fox to push.

WikiLeaks founder addresses death of DNC staffer Seth Rich in Fox News interview

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/195969778-story

Julian Assange Suggests Murdered DNC Staffer Was Source for WikiLeaks

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/08/10/julian-assange-suggests-murdered-dnc-staffer-was-source-for-wikileaks/

WikiLeaks Offer $20,000 Reward for Information on Murdered DNC Staffer

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/08/09/wikileaks-offer-20000-reward-for-information-on-murdered-dnc-staffer/

Try searching for Fox News interviews/articles about Seth Rich. I had to dig more than expected. Pretty weird. Who knows right? *tips tinfoil hat*

 

[achat]

The ones pointed at Australia for some reason.

Well, we can get those movies going then.

 

[Scrofula]

^The fuck is this?
(One of my earlier posts in this thread)

 

[LiquidMethod]

Hey if you all can do conspiracies here's one for you.

Funny how the CIA turned the word "conspiracy" into something that incites repulsion in people when it simply means 2 or more people organizing something in secret. Our intelligence agencies are by their nature conspiratorial. The problem is when we have some evidence or a narrative that makes perfect sense, and it is labeled a "conspiracy theory" which dummies use to to justify classifying a thread as unworthy of investigation.

The Russians killed Seth Rich after his contacts with Wikileaks (an organization sympathetic to Russian interests) in a false flag operation as ammunition against the DNC and Hillary. Everyone knows the Russians don't shy away from killing anyone they like. The Russian mob is filled with ex-KGB/FSB, and often appears as just another arm of the Russian government providing the perfect front for illicit activities.

Interesting theory, except if there was any truth to this then the DNC and Liberal media would've made a much bigger deal out of Rich's death and actively blamed the Russians. Instead it was mostly hushed and forgotten about by the Democrats.

At this point it would be fair to say Wikileaks is more or less working for the Russian government.

ummm.....no. Liberals have gotten so crazy that it's impossible to tell the difference between satire and what they actually believe.

Nobody knows who killed Seth Rich (apart from a select few). It could've been the Russians (most unlikely), the DNC/their associates/deep state (likely), or a random street thug (most likely) but all we can do now is speculate. It's pretty much a given that Rich was the leaker of the DNC's emails. Julian Assange said so, along with Seymour Hersh and others. Rich was killed after Wikileaks received the emails but 5 days before they were published. The timing is definitely noteworthy. Rich was also a strong Bernie Sanders supporter so it would make sense that he blew the whistle after he discovered that the DNC were cheating his hero out of his deserved nomination.

It does seem that some media sources were using his death for political goals but that doesn't change any facts surrounding the story. Rod Wheeler, an ex-detective PI hired by the family spoke at length about how suspiciously DC Police were handling the case, although he stopped short of speculating as to who killed him or any political involvement.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Over a year later and they have zero leads, even though the DNC has potentially unlimited resources to catch his killer

Is this the job of the DNC bureau of investigation, or the DNC police force?

Or does Hillary and Bernie just team up as an odd-couple duo and solve mysteries?

Interesting theory, except if there was any truth to this then the DNC and Liberal media would've made a much bigger deal out of Rich's death and actively blamed the Russians. Instead it was mostly hushed and forgotten about by the Democrats.

How would the DNC know?

 

[Scrofula]

Well, remember that Killary is a serial killer. Way back even before Vince Foster. The DNC is actually tasked with covering up her murders, to hide her secret identity as a were-cuck.

Bernie is actually a were-slayer who tried to infiltrate the DNC to find the secret to the were-cucks' power, and failed. Meanwhile the Elf King Podesta continues to use "children" in a scheme to brainwash the sheeple with chemtrails on their pizzas.