2017 Trump Presidency Thread
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Yeah, all Trump's fault. The legacy media has nothing to do with it.
RDP89
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Yeah, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, imo.
if the u.s.a. existed in a vacuum, maybe. but it doesn't.
alasdair
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RDP89
Bluelighter
Correct, and it's for this very reason that the world not looking to the U.S. for leadership is likely a good thing.
Donald used hate as a campaign tool, he singled out smaller groups and blamed them for America's problems and turned the hate toward them. He even got people from one hated group to join him in hating another group. Is that a leadership skill?
I really don't see how he United anyone to anything or even alluded to some kind of unity, perhaps the unity of his Twitter fans. Donald wants to push the least and poorest out of America, somehow the population have supported this by electing him. It's like Donald's personal game of lifeboat with America. How can this be good in anyway?
Please don't get me wrong if it weren't for my close proximity to the US I would not care. America needs it's people to wake up and take control of their country because it is dying and it's death throws are like a moose going down in the snow, trust me it's a huge mess and it can cover a lot of ground.
Some people with a lot of wealth want America to panic in fear, this has been achieved. And I don't know who those people are but America is in panic over a rebel on the other side of the world who is terrorizing them with threats and a few well publicized attacks that may be linked to the desert rebels. Billions of dollars spent on military became trillions and America is out of money. This isn't a situation the American people wanted but somehow you've managed to give up your own authority in your own country.
Now that you have elected a president on an agenda to deport your illegals be careful as the line can easily slide up from illegals to non citizens to religious groups etc. We do have history books that cover this exact story line. Some people are getting very rich off this panic and it isn't the citizens.
I don't hate Donald or think poorly of his supporters, you had no choice in your election. I do think poorly of America as a whole because you need the better leaders to step up, those few good men who are currently doing nothing. Sadly, to step in front of the American media with vision of change is like suicide and even those few good men probably have some skeleton in their closet that is keeping them away from public office in fear of the media. Yes the media are killing Donald but he really is killing himself just as fast, the media do not control his tweets. I am waiting for the day it gets hacked or we get told it was. I am amazed his staff haven't held him down to take away his phone, he's like a boss that pushes his staff into traffic.
I don't understand the media's obsession with trying to find dirt from the past, they really need to focus more on what is happening now. To me this is the biggest failure of America, for a young country they spend far too much time living in the past and seem to have no plan for the future. Even your president is promising to revert America to great again, no plan how just a vision of stepping backward.
I really don't see how he United anyone to anything or even alluded to some kind of unity, perhaps the unity of his Twitter fans. Donald wants to push the least and poorest out of America, somehow the population have supported this by electing him. It's like Donald's personal game of lifeboat with America. How can this be good in anyway?
Please don't get me wrong if it weren't for my close proximity to the US I would not care. America needs it's people to wake up and take control of their country because it is dying and it's death throws are like a moose going down in the snow, trust me it's a huge mess and it can cover a lot of ground.
Some people with a lot of wealth want America to panic in fear, this has been achieved. And I don't know who those people are but America is in panic over a rebel on the other side of the world who is terrorizing them with threats and a few well publicized attacks that may be linked to the desert rebels. Billions of dollars spent on military became trillions and America is out of money. This isn't a situation the American people wanted but somehow you've managed to give up your own authority in your own country.
Now that you have elected a president on an agenda to deport your illegals be careful as the line can easily slide up from illegals to non citizens to religious groups etc. We do have history books that cover this exact story line. Some people are getting very rich off this panic and it isn't the citizens.
I don't hate Donald or think poorly of his supporters, you had no choice in your election. I do think poorly of America as a whole because you need the better leaders to step up, those few good men who are currently doing nothing. Sadly, to step in front of the American media with vision of change is like suicide and even those few good men probably have some skeleton in their closet that is keeping them away from public office in fear of the media. Yes the media are killing Donald but he really is killing himself just as fast, the media do not control his tweets. I am waiting for the day it gets hacked or we get told it was. I am amazed his staff haven't held him down to take away his phone, he's like a boss that pushes his staff into traffic.
I don't understand the media's obsession with trying to find dirt from the past, they really need to focus more on what is happening now. To me this is the biggest failure of America, for a young country they spend far too much time living in the past and seem to have no plan for the future. Even your president is promising to revert America to great again, no plan how just a vision of stepping backward.
David Wooderson
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What small groups did President Trump single out and blame for it's problems, can you give examples of said hate?
The modern KKK is very small group, should they not be signaled and called out for the crimes they commit?
Zero immigration enforcement has resulted in raising tension in the country by competing in job markets that still pay living wages, by changing entire towns/neighborhoods into non-english speaking self-segregated ghettos in less then 20 years, flooded the streets of every state with metric tons of cocaine, heroin and meth, overcrowded our hospitals and schools, bankrupted social services and in some cases has degenerated and destroyed citizens who were barley making it to begin with.
Unchecked immigration breeds racism, take a look at modern europe.
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Bagseed
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sorry to break it to you, but at least in middle europe, most people have been disgusted by american foreign policy for a long time and also disgusted by how our politicians used to suck up to the us of a
it is about time that the rest of the world starts to mind its business without licking americas butthole all the fucking time, because all your nation did after ww2 was bringing war and instability to the world to serve your own interest.
"leader of the free world" my ass, no one but americans believe this shit and the hippocrisy of us foreign policy has always been completely obvious.
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RDP89
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Yes, I mean we haven't exactly led in a very good direction.
cj
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People said the same thing about Irish immigrants, Chinease immigrants, Eastern European immigrants ect all the way back to before the civil war. Immigration is the least of the US problems. We have no leadership and no vision for a better future. Notice how everyone wants to make America great again? They want to go back to segregation oligarchy and a world that just isn't there anymore. It's stupid and it's only causing a more rapid decline.
The panic will set in when the petro dollar dies and the economy finishes its death spiral of lower wages and higher productivity. We will be lucky if things ever return to the normalcy of the 1990s
Escher's Waterfall
Bluelight Crew
If only there was some sort of deal where countries could standardize on their regulations and create a huge free-trade zone!
David Wooderson
Bluelighter
Those people you mentioned came here and either made it and eventually integrated or went back, but if they did come here they didn't get any assistance from the federal and state governments.
None of those populations were driving semi trucks packed with cocaine/heroin/meth off their boats into every town in America.
Mexico has been more deadly to Americans than North Korea, Iqaq and Afghanistan combined for years now, yet all we do is give them money and military equipment so the Mexican government can train future narco soldiers to ensure that our spouses,children,nieces,nephews,brothers,sister,parents,neighbors can face the wrath of addiction or being victim of being in the wrong place and getting touched by violence.
No country has done as much damage to America as Mexico.
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Escher's Waterfall
Bluelight Crew
Every town? My, what a work ethic!
Escher's Waterfall
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cduggles
Bluelight Crew
A G20 recap:
No one but Trump's Nike-wearing Haley-Bopp Heaven's Gate followers and the Russians were happy Trump was at the G20.
However, the EU made a great trade deal with Japan. China is discreetly courting Mexico and Germany as trade partners.
The US is now isolated in significant ways from its allies, philosophically and scientifically regarding climate change as well as a dearth of multilateral and bilateral trade prospects with prosperous countries.
Trump discussed a post-Brexit trade deal with current Prime Minister May, which would put it in 2019. Something to look forward to for everyone, although May might not be Prime Minister then.
America waits...
On a more personal note, I've come to accept that Trump followers just don't care that he is a shameless and pathological liar, that his narcissistic need for adoration - particularly in front of a crowd or on social media - leads him to say whatever he thinks will get the most positive attention, that he is completely vulnerable to flattery and incapable of processing criticism or opposing opinions, that he doesn't diligently prepare adequately for anything regardless of its importance because he trusts his instincts even though they have not made him an effective president, that this inconsistency affects the ability of any country (including the majority of Americans) to believe anything he promises (which is very bad for the US), and no matter how harmful his policies are to his supporters they will still run off the cliff while he profits. They embrace the hypocrisy of Trump completely.
It's impossible for me to understand these folks, but it's held up for the most part so far. So I feel better now just accepting that these people are nostalgic or hateful enough to cut off their noses to spite themselves as long as it includes others.
It's harder to accept the consequences of Trump's deleterious presidency on America.
At least he's undermining the Republican legislative agenda as much as anything else.![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
No one but Trump's Nike-wearing Haley-Bopp Heaven's Gate followers and the Russians were happy Trump was at the G20.
However, the EU made a great trade deal with Japan. China is discreetly courting Mexico and Germany as trade partners.
The US is now isolated in significant ways from its allies, philosophically and scientifically regarding climate change as well as a dearth of multilateral and bilateral trade prospects with prosperous countries.
Trump discussed a post-Brexit trade deal with current Prime Minister May, which would put it in 2019. Something to look forward to for everyone, although May might not be Prime Minister then.
America waits...
On a more personal note, I've come to accept that Trump followers just don't care that he is a shameless and pathological liar, that his narcissistic need for adoration - particularly in front of a crowd or on social media - leads him to say whatever he thinks will get the most positive attention, that he is completely vulnerable to flattery and incapable of processing criticism or opposing opinions, that he doesn't diligently prepare adequately for anything regardless of its importance because he trusts his instincts even though they have not made him an effective president, that this inconsistency affects the ability of any country (including the majority of Americans) to believe anything he promises (which is very bad for the US), and no matter how harmful his policies are to his supporters they will still run off the cliff while he profits. They embrace the hypocrisy of Trump completely.
It's impossible for me to understand these folks, but it's held up for the most part so far. So I feel better now just accepting that these people are nostalgic or hateful enough to cut off their noses to spite themselves as long as it includes others.
It's harder to accept the consequences of Trump's deleterious presidency on America.
At least he's undermining the Republican legislative agenda as much as anything else.
Escher's Waterfall
Bluelight Crew
At least he's undermining the Republican legislative agenda as much as anything else.
Too bad we have to live with his policies.
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
cduggles said:
It can be fun arguing, and I obviously do it, but I think that confrontation is what they're after. And a bunch just will never admit they were wrong about something. I keep telling myself and then ignoring that you need to give people space to deal with their wrongness, not back them in to a corner.
It helps to point out that maybe their reasons for voting the way they did at the time are still legitimate (they aren't, but play along), it's just that Trump is a hollow phoney who suckered you all, you fucking rubes. Man up and admit you bought the extended warranty cause the salesman was just that slick. You got screwed. Happens to all of us at some point. Now let's get him out of there.
And then let the Republican party crumble, that'd be nice. Form a neo-Trump party, ex-Republicans.
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