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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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tathra said:
oh, so you do want the government regulating private industry and a centrally-planned economy, with the government dictating what businesses people are and aren't allowed to run. and here i thought you were a free market lassaiz-faire capitalist.
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I do like the idea of true socialism but just don't think it's realistic. Why do you believe we should adopt a new economic system rather than improving upon what we already have?
 
^Well, obviously… and as a obiter, I love it when capitalists start responding to that with science fiction about becoming an intergalactic empire (or at least, you know, conquering mars); where even if it happens, and I think it won't, the demand for resources is too great on Earth already and asteroid mining and otherwise getting the resources by probably will just takes too many terrestrial ones—this is a good place to add my opinion on Trump wanting to put a man on the moon again, or even Mars, during his presidency: it's dumb—but the ideal blankly stated is basically to fuck up one planet and move to the next, like those years when I was doing essentially the same with subletted apartments while being a junkie fuckup. Which, of course, is what global capitalism basically is, mainlining national resources and human lives. But whatever. I digress, significantly.


As for on topic Trump stuff —

Personally I am very upset about the ignominious and disgraceful firing of Preet Bharara. I don't have a big problem with firing a bunch of Obama era DAs, he stocked DOJ with radically anti-police and other partisan and racialistic agendas, so although I know very little about other AGs/USAs in other states, I'm sure there were plenty who had it coming. And a clean sweep is not always a bad thing. However though Bharara was one of the genuinely good guys. A fucking paladin.

Very popular, almost populist in a certain way, made his way fighting Wall Street and politicians from both parties and fairly, I think; right now he has an investigation against our Mayor DeBlasio that I would be very angry and upset to see flounder and tank, despite personally being a Democrat I believe, but has investigated plenty of political corruption—and Albany is one of the "swampiest" State governments, period, both parties and representing the City and the rest, too. Also prosecuted successfully a number of large Jewish interests.

A very brave and honest man as far as politicians go. Not even really a politician, one might go so far as to say. And a potential mayor or beyond. Obviously Trump knew him from before in New York in the story is that he had assured him that he would have a job but suddenly turned around and stabbed him in the back. Why, who knows, Wall Street, Kushner and the Ziobist connection, some potential personal problem with his businesses—and Preet would definitely be one of the ones with balls to go after him. His are fucking steel and he was one of the good ones, at least in the USA (i.e. fed DA) role. This particular case definitely upset me ane I'm sure there are probably people in different states who feel the same way about their USA's but probably Bharara is one of the very highest if not the highest profile one, nationally for sure or even probably in their respective states/jurisdictions.

But good for him maybe. He came out of this by far and looking like the better man and a man of principle. He might turn out to become the mayor Spitzer did and I don't see him as the guy with a scandal about hookers or whatever that street can pull out to screw over.

NYT article about the man and his career.
 
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OTOH the media continues to mock & belittle as a propaganda tactic against Trump; remember who owns the Post and the radical changes in quality; but see Mrs. Conway being ridiculed for suggesting off the cuff a few things that anyone who knows anything about digital counterforensics knows are perfectly plausible methods of surveillance (it's pretty inconceivable to me that Trump, along with Hilary and pretty much every politician and important business figure, etc. at not at the very least is having their phone and email and browsing etc archived; it's simply the world we live in now, enabled and encouraged by Bush and especially Obama, only thing that should even raise an eyebrow is any accusations of an actual "third rate burglary" i.e. use of agents in the field as was necessary in the Nixon era.

Press talking about regulations when trying to say Trump's accusations are not credible is completely and totally laughable, as if they matter, the expectations of transparency and legality in surveillance in former wiretapper-in-chief Obama of all people is a joke. The amount of subservience to the Obama circle is still unbelievable. And the amount of modern day Watergate equivalent Scandal here in terms of different agencies making war on each other hand on the presidency is just unprecedented here and the only question is how far away is the inevitable constitutional crisis?

But the outcome is fairly obvious hands is a right-wing relatively Republican but certainly within the usual hold of neoconservative-neoliberal American politics and Paul Ryan is going to steal the show. Only question is how much more surreal stuff is going to happen in the political realm before we get there and how bad is it going to get to the extent that it actually affects citizens which I doubt and in particular I wonder how history books are going to be written about these events and this era. Although wondering what history books or wikis or tablets or whatever they're going to have in our grandchildren's lifetimes is in and of itself enough to talk about and be terrified out.

Only net gain will be avoiding a Hillary presidency but most especially reminding working class White people that they have a voice and an identity. Let's just hope #MAGA isn't as fleeting or rapidly coöpted by neo-neo's as the Tea Party or "Occupy." One can hope. I am not an optimist.
 
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SKL said:
Only net gain will reminding White supremacists that they have a voice and an identity.
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ftfy. everything hes done thus far and everything he still wants to do is unequivocally designed to fuck the working class, so your original statement was the most incorrect thing i've read all morning.
 
alasdairm said:
no it doesn't (necessarily). not at all.

i grew up in the u.k. we had universal health care. i could go to any doctor. any hospital. any dentist. get fixed. walk out. no bill. and no $5m salary to a health-insurance ceo.

alasdair
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exactly....i don't understand how ppl like mgs can think that committing so much money to insurance company profits is somehow advantageous towards better healthcare

imagine if all those profits went to providing better healthcare directly
 
alasdairm said:
no it doesn't (necessarily). not at all.

i grew up in the u.k. we had universal health care. i could go to any doctor. any hospital. any dentist. get fixed. walk out. no bill. and no $5m salary to a health-insurance ceo.

alasdair
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Qfp

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tathra said:
details on Trump’s 2005 tax returns, released by the white house.

So they've proven that the claim that he can't release them is total bullshit by releasing them, which means the rest are likely being withheld because of damaging information in them, like say the proof of his treason.
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I suspect the "damaging information" is that Trump has been lying about his success.
 
the 1040 doesnt have the information we need. what we need to know to look for corruption and violation of the emoluments clause is the rest of it. nobody fucking cares what he paid in taxes.
 
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