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Originally posted by TopRocka
Who cares about Joey Belle.

I'm more concerned with McGwire, Bonds, and Sosa all shitting on Maris' grave.

Let the 90's be known as the "* Era".

:X


It's obvious that MLB actively looked the other way on steroids for over 20 years. If it's anyone's fault, it's MLB's. Caminiti was saying that the majority of the players were using it when he retgired three years ago. MLB did nothing about it. You can't implcate the players for breaking a rule that MLB never enforced in the first place.

And as for not caring about "Joey" Belle and "shitting" on Roger Maris's grave, Albert's career numbers are clearly superior to Roger's. Maris had one abberation of a season (everyone had great seasons in 1961 because of the expansion of the league and the schedule) and never came close to those numbers again.
 
TopRocka said:
Shouldn't you be wacking off to A-Rod's blue dick suckin lips?
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lmao

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It's obvious that MLB actively looked the other way on steroids for over 20 years. If it's anyone's fault, it's MLB's. Caminiti was saying that the majority of the players were using it when he retgired three years ago. MLB did nothing about it. You can't implcate the players for breaking a rule that MLB never enforced in the first place.

And as for not caring about "Joey" Belle and "shitting" on Roger Maris's grave, Albert's career numbers are clearly superior to Roger's. Maris had one abberation of a season (everyone had great seasons in 1961 because of the expansion of the league and the schedule) and never came close to those numbers again. [/B][/QUOTE]

Wow it seems that this steroid issue is is following me from message board to message board. I guess its only fitting that its on a Bluelight thread about MLB.8(
 
Semi-Charmed said:
Originally posted by TopRocka
Who cares about Joey Belle.

I'm more concerned with McGwire, Bonds, and Sosa all shitting on Maris' grave.

Let the 90's be known as the "* Era".

:X


It's obvious that MLB actively looked the other way on steroids for over 20 years. If it's anyone's fault, it's MLB's. Caminiti was saying that the majority of the players were using it when he retgired three years ago. MLB did nothing about it. You can't implcate the players for breaking a rule that MLB never enforced in the first place.

And as for not caring about "Joey" Belle and "shitting" on Roger Maris's grave, Albert's career numbers are clearly superior to Roger's. Maris had one abberation of a season (everyone had great seasons in 1961 because of the expansion of the league and the schedule) and never came close to those numbers again.
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Yes, you can implicate the players for breaking a rule that MLB never enforced. It's completely irrelevant that the MLB didn't enforce a drug policy. Steroids are illegal in the USA.

I don't claim to be a baseball fan, but I watch it here and there. In my opinion, streroids was the best thing to happen to baseball in the past 10 years. What was going on before Mark and Sammy's homerun race? heh
 
Wit hall this shit about mcgwire now, and probably sosa.... it makes me respect griffey jr making it in the 500 club alot more, and trying to overcome injuries without cheating.
 
michael said:
if maris only had one great season how come he won the mvp award twice?

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You are correct, however I believe the stress from the 61 season put alot of pressure on him and led to the downfall of his career.
 
JosephTHeSequel said:
Wit hall this shit about mcgwire now, and probably sosa.... it makes me respect griffey jr making it in the 500 club alot more, and trying to overcome injuries without cheating.
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Thats a great point. If he would of had a healthy career im pretty sure we would be discussing Griffey and Aaron in the same sentence this year much more then Bonds.

Not saying this would have been the year he would have done it, just he would have been very very close.
 
Originally posted by michael
if maris only had one great season how come he won the mvp award twice?

:)


Where did I say he only had one great season? ;)

Nobody remembers what he did in 1960, they only remember what he did in 1961. There's a good reason for that, because in 1960 numbers dont even come close to his '61 stats.
 
Originally posted by Beagle
Yes, you can implicate the players for breaking a rule that mlb never enforced. It's completely irrelevant that the MLB didn't enforce a drug policy. Steroids are illegal in the USA.


I don't agree. Athletes are going to do everything they think they can get away with so they can get a competitive advantage over their opponents. It's up to the sanctioning body to enforce their own rules. What's the point of having rules if you aren't going to sanction the people who break them? Does it excuse the players for their actions? i don't think so, but i think the responsibility falls squarely on the lap of MLB and the MLBPA.

You said it yourself, baseball has become much more exciting since the beginning of the long ball. Do you think that baseball didn't know that?

This whole issue is retarded, from the bottom all the way up to the top. You have scumbags like Canseco feeding the sport, that made him famous, to the wolves...just to make money. Then you got Congress subpoenaing players and forcing them to testify under oath at a hearing. We are in a time of war, the economy is sluggish, our healthcare and education costs are rising, and these morons are wasting our time and tax money to investigate a some beefheads in baseball. It's politics at it's worst. EVERYONE in WWE and IFBB are juiced up, but congress doesn't seem to care about that.

If we wanna start tossing *'s in stats, let's throw them all over the record book, because players have been cheating for over a century now.
 
Semi-Charmed said:
Originally posted by Beagle
Yes, you can implicate the players for breaking a rule that mlb never enforced. It's completely irrelevant that the MLB didn't enforce a drug policy. Steroids are illegal in the USA.


I don't agree. Athletes are going to do everything they think they can get away with so they can get a competitive advantage over their opponents. It's up to the sanctioning body to enforce their own rules. What's the point of having rules if you aren't going to sanction the people who break them? Does it excuse the players for their actions? i don't think so, but i think the responsibility falls squarely on the lap of MLB and the MLBPA.

You said it yourself, baseball has become much more exciting since the beginning of the long ball. Do you think that baseball didn't know that?
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These guys were doing something that's illegal. It's not like they were taking creatine. Yes, baseball knew about it but, the players still took it upon themselves to do something illegal to better themselves. What if we found out they were doing methamphetamine? Would that be something worth implicating them for?

Baseball should have done something about this a long time ago because the sport looks really bad right now in my opinion. Regardless of what anyone says, deep down everyone feels that all of those great moments we got to watch and cheer for are now tarnished.
 
Of course they were and they should have been caught and punished years ago, but they weren't, and that's MLB's fault for not taking action when the warning signs started appearing in the late 90's.

The point is MLB NEVER held the players accountable for their actions but now people are saying "oh what a bunch of cheating douchebags blah blah blah."

#1, baseball players were cheating well before steroids were around

#2 if a player can get away with something that tends to their advantage, they are going to do it. pure, plain, simple. Why are people so suprised that professional athletes have no principles? They dont care about anything else but being rich and being the best.
 
#1 There's a bit of a difference between the spitter and injecting yourself with hormones to grow to Hulk like sizes and hit the ball upwards of 30 feet further than you normally would.

#2 I think you're a bit off, SC, in saying that any player would take anything to get an edge. There are still tons upon tons of great players who opted not to take steroids, and to take an honest approach to the game.
 
You're right, there is a difference. MLB enforces the rules when they catch a pitcher fucking with a ball, but they turn the other way when their players suddenly mysteriously grow to Hulk-like sizes and hit the ball upwards of 30 feet further (which i think is a bit of embellishment) than they normally would.
 
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