20 Arrested in Crackdown on Internet Drugs

[jedimafia]

little kids are not the ones ordering pills online. you need money and a credit card for that.

Kids can visit westerunion dont need a credit card there.


RIP OP4L

 

[sonic]

sonic, your posts are always informative and insightful--comon, though....the children know ways around (there are a million ways). On top of that, the ease of what it takes nearly convinces those that may have desires to take such risks (albeit small).

/end ramble
but fact is, com'on, we know that the security on said sights is nonexistent. I know personally.

swybs

Right, as I said maybe the pharmacies should at least try to do a better job verifying people's age. They could require that you fax them a copy of your driver's license or a form of legal I.D. The fact of the matter is that you can't stop minors from doing anything if they want to do it bad enough. Prohibition doesn't work, it only makes criminals rich.

I still think that an adult should be able to get a prescription for anything they want as long as it doesn't conflict with any other medication they might be taking. I don't agree with the war on drugs and I don't like the fact that the government is controlling everything. I can legally buy and ingest a neurotoxic solvent, but I can't buy something that makes me feel good but isn't neurotoxic? It seems like the laws and controls aren't based on the dangers of a given drug, but on the amount of pleasure the drug can give you.

For the most part I don't agree with anything that the DEA is doing. If it was up to me, all opiates and benzos would be OTC. They should be behind the counter so you have to be at least over 18 to buy them. I guess I have radical libertarian political views . I don't agree with self help laws. If people get addicted it's their fault. I don't think it's anyone's job to babysit the country so people stay healthy. If this idea actually worked I might feel differently about it, but it doesn't.

BTW, This whole bust was stupid. All they did was bust a few pharmacies that were illegally importing their drugs from different countries. I guess it was costing the government money so they decided to step in. If they supposedly cared about citizens so much they could have just changed the laws to ban these No record online pharmacies, but they didn't. I have to say I'm glad they didn't.

P.S. Thanks for saying that mosts of my posts are informative and insightful.

 

[who mE?]

I guess it was costing the government money so they decided to step in.

To be exact, online pharmacies cost the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers (who OWN countless politicians world-wide) money, because their price-fixing collusion to raise the price of American drugs by 1000% does not work when somebody re-imports the drugs that were sold to 3rd-world nations at a somewhat less inflated price. Pharmaceuticals are a $500 BILLION global industry... That's $500,000,000,000 ...
As of 2003, the various regions of the world spent:
North America $229,500,000,000
European Union $115,400,000,000
Rest of Europe $14,300,000,000
Japan $52,400,000,000
Asia, Africa and Australasia $37,300,000,000
Latin America $17,400,000,000
on drugs made by the Pharmaceutical Industry!

The pharmaceutical industry has been taking in 11% more money EVERY YEAR in the United States, and 9% more annually worldwide. How does it keep this amazing industry-wide growth going year after year? It uses the Federal government to do everything in the Federal government's power to keep more and more money flowing! And obviously, the Federal government has a LOT of power, and the pharm industry keeps lobbying for MORE power on these issues. What other blue-chip industries of that size are GROWING at 11% a year?

http://open.imshealth.com/webshop2/IMSinclude/i_article_20040317.asp
http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/01/05a.php
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=275182

Money is the root of all evil...

 

[bigBiff]

comon, tracy, no offense, but anyone paying these prices is either A) trying to get high, B) selling said drugs at a profit, or C) being undertreated by their clinician. If it is C, which seems to support your argument, then you need to switch primary care physicians. If it is C and you say you dont have insurance, every state in the US (and many countries outside have even more helpful benefits) has supported aid that would help you find a doctor who will treat your ailment. Come on, now. People who say they can afford these outrageous prices are not thinking straight (trust me, been there, done that--from frien********y.com about 6 years ago to b****ds.com)....truth be told, they are robbing people, creating addicts, and generally fucking everyone. Far be it from me to pass judgement, but don't tell me I don't "understand"--find a more reputable doc and look into state aid. If you need help, PM me or email me, but dont make excuses.

swybs
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you are not someone in pain i take it.? some of us are. and,sure theres gonna be some bad apples but you obviously don't understand "pain". and a lack of good health coverage, or a good doctor. i've been using them for yrs. cheaper than a doc, less hassle,no bullshit(if you have records,and good sense). so, SPEAK FOR YOUR SELF :D

 

[DexterMeth]

I agree with a lot that has been said here. In the end, it's the greed of the pharmacutical companies. Not kids wanting to get high. Both are true, but the former is the bigger problem IMHO. The fucking pharmy bastards are most likely the leading lobby for keeping once legal drugs illegal...and if you take a look at those statistics posted by WhoMe, it's mind blowing how the States spends $462,700,000,000 MORE than Asia, Africa, and Austrialia alone. There are many reasons to this, but can we not agree that the 3 afformentioned countries put together have at least 3 times more people than the States? Can you say "price fixing"?

60 valiums in the US will cost you around let's say $120. 100 of the same valiums in India will cost you let's say $35. And those are prices for the americans, not people buying in their own country. It's disgusting how the US is the most powerful country in the world, yet we really have no health care, and medicines that should cost pennies at most a pill are actually costing us our whole bank account. This issue disgusts me, and hits a very personal deep spot within me. And like another poster said, for every 1 that goes down, 20 more go back up.

The good old world of politics and business. Without each other both of these pigs (albiet neccesary) would collaspe within days or less.

It's really just an endless mafia, and everyone get's their cuts. The big guys "government" just comes in at the right time to make themselves look like heros when really they're just getting a nice ole' slice of $

 

[bigBiff]

agreed, about big pharm. and i say lets hope so.let em' lobby for it.HOORAY. i'd also like to know where whome got those stats. really seems a bit steep to me,>??also, ignorance and greed have ALWAYS gone hand in hand. it boils down to reality. CAN you afford to play the game .? or in my case can I afford to be in PAIN.? YES and NO.and if ,like i said, you have any sense you can find what you need. for pennies a pill.WE ARE HUMANS. we have evolved with the ability to adapt.or move on...like this thread should.............

 

[tracymw]

comon, tracy, no offense, but anyone paying these prices is either A) trying to get high, B) selling said drugs at a profit, or C) being undertreated by their clinician. If it is C, which seems to support your argument, then you need to switch primary care physicians. If it is C and you say you dont have insurance, every state in the US (and many countries outside have even more helpful benefits) has supported aid that would help you find a doctor who will treat your ailment. Come on, now. People who say they can afford these outrageous prices are not thinking straight (trust me, been there, done that--from frien********y.com about 6 years ago to b****ds.com)....truth be told, they are robbing people, creating addicts, and generally fucking everyone. Far be it from me to pass judgement, but don't tell me I don't "understand"--find a more reputable doc and look into state aid. If you need help, PM me or email me, but dont make excuses.

swybs
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A) SOME PEOPLE MAY BE DOING THIS TO GET HIGH BUT SOME ARE NOT...... IF YOU EVER HAD A KIDNEY STONE AND THE DOCTOR TOLD YOU TO TAKE ADVIL BECAUSE HE WAS SCARED YOU WOULD SUE HIM OR IF YOU EVER SUFFERED ANXIETY ATTACKS YOU WOULD THANK GOD FOR ONLINE PHARMACYS
B) I'M SURE ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT PURCHASE FROM ONLINE PHARMACY'S DO SELL FOR PROFIT BUT NOT ALL DO!! I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE BUYING IN VERY HIGH QUANTITIES AND SHOULD GET BUSTED!!
C) I NEVER SAID I DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE BECAUSE I DO BUT AS AN EXAMPLE (LAST WEEK....... WENT TO FAMILY DOCTOR EVEN WITH INSURANCE $35..... HE RUN LAB TEST AND SENT OFF...... $200......... PRESCRIBED ANTIBIOTIC.... $78 FOR 7 PILLS...... CALLED ME FRIDAY... TEST CAME BACK AND SHOWED INFECTION AND KIDNEY STONE..... THE ANTIBIOTIC HE PRESCRIBED WOULD NOT COVER THAT TYPE OF INFECTION..... PRESCRIBED ANOTHER $12 .... REFERRED ME TO UROLOGIST.. NO TELLING HOW MUCH THAT WILL COST ME AND ALL ALONG I KNEW I HAD A KIDNEY STONE....... BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT BUT HE JUST WANTED $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$APPROXIMATELY $325.00 PAID OUT Not including what comes out of MY check every week for insurance..... so please don't judge everyone..........

 

[qwe]

^it's interesting how the parts that seem emphasized are in lower case, and the normal text is in uppercase. makes it seem like YOU'RE SHOUTING YOUR WHOLE MESSAGE

has anyone ordering from these online pharmacies been arrested and/or asked to show their script by authorities? is it likely they will be in the future? do online pharmacies let out all their client information after the men behind them are arrested?

about the debate... of course many customers are getting high, but that's just the same with patients going to doctors..

 

[tracymw]

Sorry about the upper case!! Nobody has been arrested except the people that were transporting and selling these drugs. They were international pharmacys and they were transporting to US and a number of people here would pick them up and then re-ship them to customers. I doubt very seriously the DEA has the time to go through all the customers and arrest each and every one of them. I know for a fact that would be 1000's and I mean 1000's of people. They were looking for the "Big" dogs thats what they got. I wouldn't be worried unless I was buying 1000 or more hydrocodone or xanax at one time. Most US pharmacys online are not illegal (although they are trying to make them illegal)! This was an international bust. BUT not all got busted just he ones from India. There are many more believe me that are NOT from India with very cheap medications. You just have to be smart as to how you order.

 

[bigBiff]

Sorry about the upper case!! Nobody has been arrested except the people that were transporting and selling these drugs. They were international pharmacys and they were transporting to US and a number of people here would pick them up and then re-ship them to customers. I doubt very seriously the DEA has the time to go through all the customers and arrest each and every one of them. I know for a fact that would be 1000's and I mean 1000's of people. They were looking for the "Big" dogs thats what they got. I wouldn't be worried unless I was buying 1000 or more hydrocodone or xanax at one time. Most US pharmacys online are not illegal (although they are trying to make them illegal)! This was an international bust. BUT not all got busted just he ones from India. There are many more believe me that are NOT from India with very cheap medications. You just have to be smart as to how you order.

ignorance is bliss

 

[tracymw]

Excuse me???????

 

[swybs]

tracymw, check out the recent dea statement--I wouldn't advocate legality, since the Ryan Law is, and has been, in effect. Laws are changing everyday regarding US-based OPs. Trust me, I have been there since the beginning and people have always said it would go down--however, the tides of change are finally here. Give it a year and no OP will exist for SIII drugs....

swyb

 

[tracymw]

My statement was............

"Most US pharmacys online are not illegal (although they are trying to make them illegal)"

Yes, we should be worried about US OPs too... for now, all ROPs are legal and many NROPs are legal in most states, but given the kind of hysteria "drugs" can make idiots vote for, I could see that changing. There are occasional busts of US OPs though - this story appeared today too:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalonline/News/Local/03AreaEAST06042005.htm

So, I'd worry about it to some extent, and get active in trying to change the laws.

IOPs are much more of a problem though. There are no legal loopholes that IOPs and their customers can use to protect their rights to managing their own health. Even non-US ROPs like those in Canada are illegal for US citizens to order from.

If you think the DEA doesn't waste their time on unimportant stuff like this, or that they don't have the resources... you're dead wrong. They do, on both counts. If today's worldwide smackdown wasnt enough to convince you, research some past international operations like Operation Web Slinger, or the infamous Operation Green Merchant which investigated tens of thousands of people, resulted in over a thousand raids, and something like 500 arrests.

My point was if you ordered 30 hydrocodone's, I doubt very seriously the DEA is after you......

 

[swybs]

If I lived in certain states in this country, I would be concerned with even 30 hydrocodones...scary, but true.

swybs

 

[sonic]

I love this fucking country. They are so anal about everything, but then there are tons of loop holes that people can exploit. When it comes down to it, you can do or get almost anything you want semi-legally. You just have to take small risks, pay extra money, spend time doing research, etc.

I guess the more I think about it, it's not all that bad the way the current system is working. You at least have to be semi-intellegent to acquire medication online.

 

[tracymw]

I agree...... there are legit sites whether legal or not that you can acquire medications but you must do the research and believe me it takes time and intelligence to find the right place with the right price!!