Jungle Brotha
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Can anyone tell me what this is please?
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OD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic
2-CT-7 ?
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My Penis and Your Vagina
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I'm not really to familiar with 2-CT-7, but I know this they will close your post and either
A. move it to other drugs
or
B. tell you to use the search button
A. move it to other drugs
or
B. tell you to use the search button
pinger
Bluelighter
imagine a searchable resource where by a simple keystroke you could access all sorts of information.....
tap that keyboard thingy in front of you, and do it yourself.
thank you drive through
tap that keyboard thingy in front of you, and do it yourself.
thank you drive through
sharp sense
Bluelighter
I have copied the effect from the website of erowid.org.
POSITIVE
sense of well-being (enhanced lucidity, sense of inner peace)
emotional opening
significant closed and open eye visuals
increased appreciation of music
NEUTRAL
general change in consciousness (as with most psychoactives)
pupil dilation
change in perception of time
visual hallucinations
aural hallucinations
NEGATIVE
nausea and vomiting
muscle tension
irritating body load
muscle tremors and/or convulsions
memory loss (at higher doses)
delerium (at higher doses) (potentially dangerous)
violent behavior (at higher doses)
death
Go to this link for more info's, it has nothing to do with xtc
link :http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7.shtml
POSITIVE
sense of well-being (enhanced lucidity, sense of inner peace)
emotional opening
significant closed and open eye visuals
increased appreciation of music
NEUTRAL
general change in consciousness (as with most psychoactives)
pupil dilation
change in perception of time
visual hallucinations
aural hallucinations
NEGATIVE
nausea and vomiting
muscle tension
irritating body load
muscle tremors and/or convulsions
memory loss (at higher doses)
delerium (at higher doses) (potentially dangerous)
violent behavior (at higher doses)
death
Go to this link for more info's, it has nothing to do with xtc
link :http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7.shtml
Jungle Brotha
Bluelighter
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alright thanks...so basically its just another drug? i did a search before posting but none of the threads i read said what it was really, they just talked about people doing it. thats why i put it in this category, thought maybe it had something to do with E.
My Penis and Your Vagina
Bluelighter
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I was browsing the web before and I happened to come accross this 2CT7, then I remember someone had a question on it on this board, and since they haven't closed or moved your post yet here's the link
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/article1/survey.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/article1/survey.shtml
sharp sense
Bluelighter
In my country you can buy it in smart shop legally and it is really easily to get it..
But i believe there is almost no research about longterm effects of this chemical and therefore it seems for me a risky game
and there were also reported several deaths
...
[This message has been edited by sharp sense (edited 11 July 2001).]
underscore_omega
Bluelighter
2ct7 is quite experimental
quite potent
and
quite deadly if used incorrectly...
moved to other drugs for further insite..
[This message has been edited by underscore_omega (edited 12 July 2001).]
quite potent
and
quite deadly if used incorrectly...
moved to other drugs for further insite..
[This message has been edited by underscore_omega (edited 12 July 2001).]
bachus
Bluelighter
(Unofficial) Frequently Asked Questions about 2C-T-7
This FAQ has been written to help answer some of the most common
questions about the research chemical 2C-T-7. This is not guaranteed to
be accurate, we are still learning about this substance and no formal
scientific studies have been done.
1) What is it?
2) What is a research chemical?
3) Is it legal?
4) What doses does it come in?
5) What does it look like?
6) How does it respond to EZtest (Marquis reagent)?
7) What 'fun' can be had with it?
8) How does it compare to LSD?
9) How is it taken?
10) What about other methods?
11) What are the effective doses?
12) How long before it takes effect?
13) What are the side effects?
14) What are the REAL DANGERS?
15) What are the aftereffects
16) How do I handle an overdose?
17) What about addiction?
18) Where can I find out more about the drug?
19) How much does it cost?
20) Where can I get some?
21) What is the safest way to try it?
22) I don't have an accurate scale. How else can I measure doses?
23) But what do YOU think of it?
1) What is it?
2C-T-7 is a phenethylamine (pronounced 'fenneh thyla mean') research chemical. It belongs to the same family of
psychoactives as MDMA (ecstacy) and mescaline.
It's chemical name is (2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine). It is a strong visual psychedelic. It was first synthesized
by Alexander (Sasha) Shulgin in 1986. It is documented in Shulgin's book, PHIKAL (Phenylthylamines I Have Known and Loved) which
was published in 1991.
2. What is a research chemical?
Research Chemicals should be considered experimental chemicals. Although some people are
willing to ingest these chemicals for their effects, it is not reasonable to assume that these chemicals are in any way 'safe' to use
recreationally. Although all psychoactive use involves risk, this class of chemicals has undergone virtually no human or animal
toxicity studies and there is little to no data on possible long term problems, addiction potential, allergic reactions, or acute
overdoses.
Publication about human use of these chemicals is not intended to endorse their non-laboratory use. It is
important to remember that reactions to psychoactives vary dramatically from person to person. Extrapolating anything from any single person's
experience with a chemical is inappropriate and likely to result in dangerous and possibly fatal abreactions.
Some reports of use may include extremely glowing "wow"-type experiences. Reports of this nature should not be misunderstood to suggest that
they are common nor typical of those who ingest the substance nor that the effects will be pleasant or desirable.
Users should consider carefully before choosing to work with these substances.
You can find a full discussion of research chemicals (from which this abstract is taken) on Erowid at http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/research_chems/research_chems.shtml Read it all and consider it very carefully
before experimenting with this or any other research chemical.
3. Is it legal
Sorry, there's not a simple answer. In the US, it is not a scheduled controlled substance, which is to say that the DEA has not
put it on any list of forbidden chemicals. However, various 'analog laws' might be used to prosecute anyone who could be
demonstrated to be procuring, selling, or packaging it for human or animal consumption. If you bought some from a
chemical supply company and put it in capsules, this could be enough to nail you! In the UK, it is rumored that 2C-T-7 and all the
psychoactive chemicals mentioned in PHIKAL and TIKAL are listed under the analog drug laws. Even if it is not specifically illegal, most civilized
countries have laws regulating testing and approval of chemicals for human consumption that you'd almost certainly
be breaking if you tried to dose anyone with it. In other locales, you will have to do your own research on legality (another
reason it's called a research chemical).
4) What doses does it come in?
Since it is not approved for human use, it doesn't come in doses. When purchased from a research chemical company, it is
currently available (May 2001) in samples of 250 milligrams and up. This is a potentially deadly amount, NOT a DOSE! Researchers
have reported dramatically strong results with oral doses as low as 20 milligrams and snorted amounts as low as 5 milligrams.
5) What does it look like?
2C-T-7 is normally a white powder (perhaps with a pinkish or brownish tinge). Briefly in the late 90s and early 2000, it was sold in
in Holland head shops as a blue thick pill called Blue Mystic which contained either 7.5 or 10 milligrams of 2C-T-7.
There have been sporadic and unconfirmed reports of it showing up in the wares of dealers at raves under such names as
#7, analog mescaline, green fish, and red raspberry. It could probably be pressed into any pill shape or color. Since any
dealer-supplied pill must be assumed to contain an unknown quantity, it should be considered recklessly dangerous to
consume.
6) How does it respond to EZtest (Marquis reagent)?
Pure 2C-T-7 gives a salmon orange-red color in reaction to Marquis reagent, the ecstasy-testing kit used by DanceSafe and also known as EZtest.
7) What 'fun' can be had with it?
Researchers report strong LSD-like visual effects with both closed and open eyes, increased sensual pleasure from music and touch,
rapid, rambling thoughts, intense dream-like hallucinations, aural hallucinations, feelings of empathy, well-being or bliss.
8) How does it compare to LSD?
First and most important: The effective dose (ED) of 2C-T-7 is much closer to the lethal dose (LD) than in LSD. A measurement error
in acid dosing might give you a long and crazy trip; a measurement error in 2C-T-7 could be fatal.
More subjectively, 2C-T-7 is reported to be more visual than LSD. 2C-T-7 is less likely to cause temporary ego-loss than LSD.
2C-T-7 has more unpleasant side effects (body load)
8) How is it taken?
Most researchers take it orally. Since it is very unpalatable, it is usually put in a
capsule and swallowed. Some researchers have snorted it and it is reported to be very harsh and painful in the nose.
9) What about other methods?
A very few experiments with smoking, intravenous and intramuscular injection have been conducted with either bad or inconclusive results.
10) What are the effective doses?
This varies widely from one person to another. Individuals have reported significant experiences from oral doses between
10 milligrams and 50 milligrams. For snorted doses, the amounts are much smaller, from 2 to 20 milligrams. NOTE THAT THE
HIGH END OF THESE DOSES HAVE BEEN SUSPECTED TO HAVE CAUSED DEATHS.
11) How long before it takes effect?
For oral doses, first signs become apparent 45 - 90 minutes after ingestion, or longer if taken on a full stomach (not recommended, see side effects).
Snorted doses come on faster, usually with first signs appearing at 15 -30 minutes. Peak effects are usually felt at T + 2 hours and last for around 2 hours.
After that they slowly diminish over the next 4 to 8 hours.
12) What are the side effects?
Anxiety or panic attacks, vomiting, stomach cramps, nausea, diarrhea, loss of coherent vision, delerium, hypertension,
dehyration, convulsions, bleeding from the nose (if the drug was snorted),
shoulder and leg cramps, muscle tremors, hyperthermia, tachycardia, a feeling of heaviness. The extent to which any of these effects might be felt
(if at all) depend on the individual and the dose. Higher doses bring more side effects and at higher intensity to the point of becoming
life-threatening: the combination of convulsions, vomiting and delerium has killed 2C-T-7 experimenters when as a result they choked and
asphixiated on their own vomit. Even for 'good' trips, about 25% of experimenters vomited, sometimes for long periods, and more than half
found the side-effects unpleasant for some period of the trip. Side effects are also much stronger and more frequent when the drug is snorted or
when taken on a full stomach.
About half the researchers reported some sort of nausea or stomach disturbance.
13) What are the REAL DANGERS?
You could die. About 2 million Ecstasy pills are swallowed each weekend around the world. Very few people die. No deaths have been confirmed
as a direct result of taking LSD in its entire history. The number of people who have experimented with 2C-T-7 is tiny by comparison, perhaps
only a few hundred or a few thousand. To date (May 2001) at least four have died because they took too much. 2C-T-7 does not forgive
recklessness or careless dose measurement. See also 'aftereffects'.
14) What are the aftereffects
Long term health after-effects are completely unknown. It could be harmless. It also might be neurotoxic or cause cumulative damage to any part of your body. No data exists
or is currently being gathered. Experimenters report few hangovers or mild apparent after-effects, mostly feeling physically or emotionally drained.
.
15) How do I handle an overdose?
If you suspect an overdose you should immediately seek emergency medical assistance. Place the subject in the recovery posistion (look it up now!)
and stay with them until the medics arrive. Tell the medics what you believe that the subject has taken and how much and that there is a danger
of death by choking on vomit.
17) What about addiction?
There have been no reported signs of physical or psychological dependence on 2C-T-7. This is consistent with other psychedelics.
18) Where can I find out more about the drug?
Erowid pages: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7.shtml
Phikal entry on 2C-T-7: http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal043.shtml
newsgroup: alt.drugs.psychedelics and its archives available at www.deja.com
19) How much does it cost?
Around $425 per gram.
20) Where can I get some?
It can be purchased by legitimate researchers from online research chemical suppliers. Because of the recent
fatalities, suppliers are becoming more restrictive about selling or have even taken the chemical off the market.
The names of these suppliers will not be given here. They can be discovered by research.
21) What is the safest way to try it?
Doses must be weighed with a chemical balance accurate to 1 milligram. Start with the smallest dose that you expect
to have any effect in order to test your sensitivity. Do not take any more until this first trip is over and you
have had 2-3 days to recover. If the effect was insufficent, try increasing the dose the next time you take it but
make the amount of the increase small. Repeat this process carefully until you find your best level. For an average
weight person with an average sensitivity to other psychoactives, a 15 milligram oral dose might be a starting
point, adding just 5 milligrams at each subsequent try. Once you find a level you like, do not increase further.
Even 5 milligrams over your optimum can result in a very upleasant 10 hours!
22) I don't have an accurate scale. How else can I measure doses?
You can't! Do Not 'EyeBall'. Do not trust that you have the amount the supplier claims. Even the 'liquid' and 'graph-paper'
methods discussed on various websites are seriously flawed because they depend on you starting with a known amount.
Without an accurate scale, you are running a serious risk.
23) But what do YOU think of it?
Personally, I can control or tolerate the side-effects and I really like the 'good' effects. I have used it in beautiful
natural surroundings and they became like a paradise. I have taken it at raves and danced all night with the music
making wonderful bright, fractal, 3-d animations in my brain. I once took just a little too much and had a horrible, scary time feeling
really sick. I prefer LSD for its nice body feel. I prefer 2C-T-7 because it doesn't stroll off with your mind. But it will
make you 'suggestible' just like LSD. Combine this with the real dangers and you can get very anxious on this drug, worrying
that you might be harming yourself and turning the trip bad. If you have trouble 'steering' acid trips, don't try this stuff.
Whatever you do, MEASURE ACCURATELY and take a very cautious approach to dose.
why it is so important to use a very cautious approach
This FAQ has been written to help answer some of the most common
questions about the research chemical 2C-T-7. This is not guaranteed to
be accurate, we are still learning about this substance and no formal
scientific studies have been done.
1) What is it?
2) What is a research chemical?
3) Is it legal?
4) What doses does it come in?
5) What does it look like?
6) How does it respond to EZtest (Marquis reagent)?
7) What 'fun' can be had with it?
8) How does it compare to LSD?
9) How is it taken?
10) What about other methods?
11) What are the effective doses?
12) How long before it takes effect?
13) What are the side effects?
14) What are the REAL DANGERS?
15) What are the aftereffects
16) How do I handle an overdose?
17) What about addiction?
18) Where can I find out more about the drug?
19) How much does it cost?
20) Where can I get some?
21) What is the safest way to try it?
22) I don't have an accurate scale. How else can I measure doses?
23) But what do YOU think of it?
1) What is it?
2C-T-7 is a phenethylamine (pronounced 'fenneh thyla mean') research chemical. It belongs to the same family of
psychoactives as MDMA (ecstacy) and mescaline.
It's chemical name is (2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine). It is a strong visual psychedelic. It was first synthesized
by Alexander (Sasha) Shulgin in 1986. It is documented in Shulgin's book, PHIKAL (Phenylthylamines I Have Known and Loved) which
was published in 1991.
2. What is a research chemical?
Research Chemicals should be considered experimental chemicals. Although some people are
willing to ingest these chemicals for their effects, it is not reasonable to assume that these chemicals are in any way 'safe' to use
recreationally. Although all psychoactive use involves risk, this class of chemicals has undergone virtually no human or animal
toxicity studies and there is little to no data on possible long term problems, addiction potential, allergic reactions, or acute
overdoses.
Publication about human use of these chemicals is not intended to endorse their non-laboratory use. It is
important to remember that reactions to psychoactives vary dramatically from person to person. Extrapolating anything from any single person's
experience with a chemical is inappropriate and likely to result in dangerous and possibly fatal abreactions.
Some reports of use may include extremely glowing "wow"-type experiences. Reports of this nature should not be misunderstood to suggest that
they are common nor typical of those who ingest the substance nor that the effects will be pleasant or desirable.
Users should consider carefully before choosing to work with these substances.
You can find a full discussion of research chemicals (from which this abstract is taken) on Erowid at http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/research_chems/research_chems.shtml Read it all and consider it very carefully
before experimenting with this or any other research chemical.
3. Is it legal
Sorry, there's not a simple answer. In the US, it is not a scheduled controlled substance, which is to say that the DEA has not
put it on any list of forbidden chemicals. However, various 'analog laws' might be used to prosecute anyone who could be
demonstrated to be procuring, selling, or packaging it for human or animal consumption. If you bought some from a
chemical supply company and put it in capsules, this could be enough to nail you! In the UK, it is rumored that 2C-T-7 and all the
psychoactive chemicals mentioned in PHIKAL and TIKAL are listed under the analog drug laws. Even if it is not specifically illegal, most civilized
countries have laws regulating testing and approval of chemicals for human consumption that you'd almost certainly
be breaking if you tried to dose anyone with it. In other locales, you will have to do your own research on legality (another
reason it's called a research chemical).
4) What doses does it come in?
Since it is not approved for human use, it doesn't come in doses. When purchased from a research chemical company, it is
currently available (May 2001) in samples of 250 milligrams and up. This is a potentially deadly amount, NOT a DOSE! Researchers
have reported dramatically strong results with oral doses as low as 20 milligrams and snorted amounts as low as 5 milligrams.
5) What does it look like?
2C-T-7 is normally a white powder (perhaps with a pinkish or brownish tinge). Briefly in the late 90s and early 2000, it was sold in
in Holland head shops as a blue thick pill called Blue Mystic which contained either 7.5 or 10 milligrams of 2C-T-7.
There have been sporadic and unconfirmed reports of it showing up in the wares of dealers at raves under such names as
#7, analog mescaline, green fish, and red raspberry. It could probably be pressed into any pill shape or color. Since any
dealer-supplied pill must be assumed to contain an unknown quantity, it should be considered recklessly dangerous to
consume.
6) How does it respond to EZtest (Marquis reagent)?
Pure 2C-T-7 gives a salmon orange-red color in reaction to Marquis reagent, the ecstasy-testing kit used by DanceSafe and also known as EZtest.
7) What 'fun' can be had with it?
Researchers report strong LSD-like visual effects with both closed and open eyes, increased sensual pleasure from music and touch,
rapid, rambling thoughts, intense dream-like hallucinations, aural hallucinations, feelings of empathy, well-being or bliss.
8) How does it compare to LSD?
First and most important: The effective dose (ED) of 2C-T-7 is much closer to the lethal dose (LD) than in LSD. A measurement error
in acid dosing might give you a long and crazy trip; a measurement error in 2C-T-7 could be fatal.
More subjectively, 2C-T-7 is reported to be more visual than LSD. 2C-T-7 is less likely to cause temporary ego-loss than LSD.
2C-T-7 has more unpleasant side effects (body load)
8) How is it taken?
Most researchers take it orally. Since it is very unpalatable, it is usually put in a
capsule and swallowed. Some researchers have snorted it and it is reported to be very harsh and painful in the nose.
9) What about other methods?
A very few experiments with smoking, intravenous and intramuscular injection have been conducted with either bad or inconclusive results.
10) What are the effective doses?
This varies widely from one person to another. Individuals have reported significant experiences from oral doses between
10 milligrams and 50 milligrams. For snorted doses, the amounts are much smaller, from 2 to 20 milligrams. NOTE THAT THE
HIGH END OF THESE DOSES HAVE BEEN SUSPECTED TO HAVE CAUSED DEATHS.
11) How long before it takes effect?
For oral doses, first signs become apparent 45 - 90 minutes after ingestion, or longer if taken on a full stomach (not recommended, see side effects).
Snorted doses come on faster, usually with first signs appearing at 15 -30 minutes. Peak effects are usually felt at T + 2 hours and last for around 2 hours.
After that they slowly diminish over the next 4 to 8 hours.
12) What are the side effects?
Anxiety or panic attacks, vomiting, stomach cramps, nausea, diarrhea, loss of coherent vision, delerium, hypertension,
dehyration, convulsions, bleeding from the nose (if the drug was snorted),
shoulder and leg cramps, muscle tremors, hyperthermia, tachycardia, a feeling of heaviness. The extent to which any of these effects might be felt
(if at all) depend on the individual and the dose. Higher doses bring more side effects and at higher intensity to the point of becoming
life-threatening: the combination of convulsions, vomiting and delerium has killed 2C-T-7 experimenters when as a result they choked and
asphixiated on their own vomit. Even for 'good' trips, about 25% of experimenters vomited, sometimes for long periods, and more than half
found the side-effects unpleasant for some period of the trip. Side effects are also much stronger and more frequent when the drug is snorted or
when taken on a full stomach.
About half the researchers reported some sort of nausea or stomach disturbance.
13) What are the REAL DANGERS?
You could die. About 2 million Ecstasy pills are swallowed each weekend around the world. Very few people die. No deaths have been confirmed
as a direct result of taking LSD in its entire history. The number of people who have experimented with 2C-T-7 is tiny by comparison, perhaps
only a few hundred or a few thousand. To date (May 2001) at least four have died because they took too much. 2C-T-7 does not forgive
recklessness or careless dose measurement. See also 'aftereffects'.
14) What are the aftereffects
Long term health after-effects are completely unknown. It could be harmless. It also might be neurotoxic or cause cumulative damage to any part of your body. No data exists
or is currently being gathered. Experimenters report few hangovers or mild apparent after-effects, mostly feeling physically or emotionally drained.
.
15) How do I handle an overdose?
If you suspect an overdose you should immediately seek emergency medical assistance. Place the subject in the recovery posistion (look it up now!)
and stay with them until the medics arrive. Tell the medics what you believe that the subject has taken and how much and that there is a danger
of death by choking on vomit.
17) What about addiction?
There have been no reported signs of physical or psychological dependence on 2C-T-7. This is consistent with other psychedelics.
18) Where can I find out more about the drug?
Erowid pages: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7.shtml
Phikal entry on 2C-T-7: http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal043.shtml
newsgroup: alt.drugs.psychedelics and its archives available at www.deja.com
19) How much does it cost?
Around $425 per gram.
20) Where can I get some?
It can be purchased by legitimate researchers from online research chemical suppliers. Because of the recent
fatalities, suppliers are becoming more restrictive about selling or have even taken the chemical off the market.
The names of these suppliers will not be given here. They can be discovered by research.
21) What is the safest way to try it?
Doses must be weighed with a chemical balance accurate to 1 milligram. Start with the smallest dose that you expect
to have any effect in order to test your sensitivity. Do not take any more until this first trip is over and you
have had 2-3 days to recover. If the effect was insufficent, try increasing the dose the next time you take it but
make the amount of the increase small. Repeat this process carefully until you find your best level. For an average
weight person with an average sensitivity to other psychoactives, a 15 milligram oral dose might be a starting
point, adding just 5 milligrams at each subsequent try. Once you find a level you like, do not increase further.
Even 5 milligrams over your optimum can result in a very upleasant 10 hours!
22) I don't have an accurate scale. How else can I measure doses?
You can't! Do Not 'EyeBall'. Do not trust that you have the amount the supplier claims. Even the 'liquid' and 'graph-paper'
methods discussed on various websites are seriously flawed because they depend on you starting with a known amount.
Without an accurate scale, you are running a serious risk.
23) But what do YOU think of it?
Personally, I can control or tolerate the side-effects and I really like the 'good' effects. I have used it in beautiful
natural surroundings and they became like a paradise. I have taken it at raves and danced all night with the music
making wonderful bright, fractal, 3-d animations in my brain. I once took just a little too much and had a horrible, scary time feeling
really sick. I prefer LSD for its nice body feel. I prefer 2C-T-7 because it doesn't stroll off with your mind. But it will
make you 'suggestible' just like LSD. Combine this with the real dangers and you can get very anxious on this drug, worrying
that you might be harming yourself and turning the trip bad. If you have trouble 'steering' acid trips, don't try this stuff.
Whatever you do, MEASURE ACCURATELY and take a very cautious approach to dose.
why it is so important to use a very cautious approach
PhreeX
Bluelight Crew
bachus - (and everyone else)
Good FAQ... if you (or anyone else) has anything to add, please do so now, I would like to put this up in the FAQ forum so we can refrence it..
Thanks!
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PACK.MY.BEAK
Good FAQ... if you (or anyone else) has anything to add, please do so now, I would like to put this up in the FAQ forum so we can refrence it..
Thanks!
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PACK.MY.BEAK
Stab Lab Kid
Bluelighter
All I've heard of in the way of deaths is about the guy who snorted 35 mgs. When did these other people die, and how much did they take?
I've used 2ct7 3 times in oral doses around 25 mg., and have had no negative side effects to speak of, other than the taste.
I've used 2ct7 3 times in oral doses around 25 mg., and have had no negative side effects to speak of, other than the taste.
rollin_nuts
Bluelighter
Please dont use this drug!!!!!! I had a really good friend here in memphis, tn die from using it... it is a research chemical....not a drug to be taken!!!! PLEASE
Good Corruption
Bluelighter
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please do not smoke cigarettes cuz it causes lung cancer...please do not drink alcohol or use tylenol cuz they cause liver damage...please do not blah blah blah cuz blah blah blah...
people die from using MDMA but it's ok cuz i dont know them...
blah blah blah...
[This message has been edited by Good Corruption (edited 15 July 2001).]
people die from using MDMA but it's ok cuz i dont know them...
blah blah blah...
[This message has been edited by Good Corruption (edited 15 July 2001).]
PhreeX
Bluelight Crew
rollin-nuts -
Maybe your friend was an idiot who didn't properly investigate the drug before he dove in? Darwinism in action, and the heard is thinned.. sure, some people die, but they represent a VERY SMALL minority that have problems with the chemical..
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PACK.MY.BEAK
Maybe your friend was an idiot who didn't properly investigate the drug before he dove in? Darwinism in action, and the heard is thinned.. sure, some people die, but they represent a VERY SMALL minority that have problems with the chemical..
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PACK.MY.BEAK
Bachus... excellent FAQ!! You truly did a good job putting that post together.
This compound, 2ct7, is one of my favorites. I have been aquainted with it for years. It provides a magnificent experience, but unless the dosage is calculated exactly, it can get really nasty. I dont know how to emphasise this enough.
The active dosage of 2ct7 varies widely from person to person. Twenty milligrams may completly slam one person while merely teasing another person. It is important to start with a low dosage and discover your own individual dosage. This drug does NOT have "one size fits all" dosage.
I, and many other people have found that exceeding the high end of our dosage window results in NASTY results... not just a heavy trip... but nastyness. Although 2ct7 can be quite beautiful, in its higher dosages, it results in total ego loss, which can be very scary for the neophyte. Unless someone is prepared for a full blown psychedelic, the should avoid this compound.
Also, I make it a point to mention this every time I make a post about 2ct7. Never, never, NEVER, "guess-ti-mate" the dose. If the measurement is off just a little... this compound can slam your ass hard. Also, equally as important... I would stay away from snorting this stuff. Why? Well, a few reasons. First of all, errors in measurment are magnified when the stuff is taken nasally, this increasing your chances for a nasty ride or an overdose. (Yes, you can OD on this one). Second, snorting this shit just plain HURTS for about a half hour.
Hope this helps someone out.
Happy Trails,
DrWild
This compound, 2ct7, is one of my favorites. I have been aquainted with it for years. It provides a magnificent experience, but unless the dosage is calculated exactly, it can get really nasty. I dont know how to emphasise this enough.
The active dosage of 2ct7 varies widely from person to person. Twenty milligrams may completly slam one person while merely teasing another person. It is important to start with a low dosage and discover your own individual dosage. This drug does NOT have "one size fits all" dosage.
I, and many other people have found that exceeding the high end of our dosage window results in NASTY results... not just a heavy trip... but nastyness. Although 2ct7 can be quite beautiful, in its higher dosages, it results in total ego loss, which can be very scary for the neophyte. Unless someone is prepared for a full blown psychedelic, the should avoid this compound.
Also, I make it a point to mention this every time I make a post about 2ct7. Never, never, NEVER, "guess-ti-mate" the dose. If the measurement is off just a little... this compound can slam your ass hard. Also, equally as important... I would stay away from snorting this stuff. Why? Well, a few reasons. First of all, errors in measurment are magnified when the stuff is taken nasally, this increasing your chances for a nasty ride or an overdose. (Yes, you can OD on this one). Second, snorting this shit just plain HURTS for about a half hour.
Hope this helps someone out.
Happy Trails,
DrWild
bachus
Bluelighter
Thanks for the feedback, Phreex. Please feel free to move it into the FAQ Section.
Wholehearted agreement, DrWild. The right dose is gorgous. 5 mg (oral) too much is a 6-hour mental root canal by Satan.
Bachus
Wholehearted agreement, DrWild. The right dose is gorgous. 5 mg (oral) too much is a 6-hour mental root canal by Satan.
Bachus
snapper
Bluelighter
Don't be too hard on rollin_nuts, since it does suck to lose a friend, and it is common to blame the most convenient thing as the cause. However, it is the taker's lack of education that it the culprit, not 2-ct-7. If you decided to swallow a bottle of aspirin, a glass of chorox, or maybe some ratbait, you will also die. This does happen however, and these items are still, and will always be, on the shelf. This is because it is the a choice to risk death by ingesting these things. Rollin_nuts' friend took a risk and lost. It is the fault of that individual.
2-ct-7 has received a lot of bad publicity, but it is really not much more dangerous than other chems out there. It is likely that 2-ct-2 will exhibit the same kind of problems as 2-ct-7 eventually - it's just a matter of time. There's always someone out there that will fuck up, no matter how foolproof something is.
Snorting this stuff, btw, is so incredibly painful that it ruins most of the experience.
Snapper
2-ct-7 has received a lot of bad publicity, but it is really not much more dangerous than other chems out there. It is likely that 2-ct-2 will exhibit the same kind of problems as 2-ct-7 eventually - it's just a matter of time. There's always someone out there that will fuck up, no matter how foolproof something is.
Snorting this stuff, btw, is so incredibly painful that it ruins most of the experience.
Snapper
