Heroin 1st time batch of heroin (reasons inside), advice.

[sekio]

heroin is just another fucking opioid....

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

I still say, it's because the huge cultural impact. Like Breaking Bad and meth now, but times a thousand in all forms of art. Look at music only, "Heroin" by Velvet Underground in the 70's, "Hurt" by NiN. It becomes more than a drug, an idea, a shared feeling sometimes of bliss sometimes of despair. Youth these days don't get into H much but look at meth, rising and rising, and between the two come the devil and choose.

There will always be "something". H, now meth, in the future something crazy like Refrain (code geass anime).

It's only meth in certain parts of the US.. mainly westcoast and middle america. There is virtually no meth on the east coast of the US. Heroin use among young people is actually on the rise, not tamed or replaced by anything, certainly not meth. Like I said, unless you're talking about some specific areas.

 

[Livinginthealps]

I understand you think: "here's another naive stupid kid playing with fire and thinking he has reasons and a plan lol".

But the fact is i did do some opiates before (2 times Oxy, 1 time Dillies which i shot). In the end i'd stop and not get more. At the time i also used oxy for a purpose: I had a drinking problem, and to stop you need to not drink for 1+ week; benzos help but i was already prescribed high dosage so it did nothing. And in the end i stopped drinking and suffered nothing (instead of a few days of hell) and it worked. When i got dillies was for fun tho, and i IV'd it, and in the end of the stash i had strong body aches.

So taking something to stop something else does exist, Valium to help alcoholics (50mg a day to start off) is regular medical proceedure.

ATM i quit drinking. Still have anxiety/benzos to deal with tho. I wanted to taste H yes, but reducing benzos for some days and have something to take my mind off the fact im at the end of the hard journey of taking seroquel IS NOT BAD. I won't get more H, believe me or not. It's too strong, too dangerous anyway. Maybe some Oxy in some time which i have proven to be able to stop and is some less hardcore "feel good" drag.

I have stopped H for now, i'll take a break and alternate the stash till it's over, which some of you have said managed to pull off. Just wanted to explain i'm not that stupid and not that naive.

I may have missed it but, how much benzos do you take and did you stop CT and go to dope? If so be careful of seizures. Yes, the dope may mask the feeling of withdrawal but, your risk of seizure is still very present. If you already covered this sorry I only glanced through some of your posts when you started the thread.
The reason benzos (librium and diazapam) to alcoholics in withdrawal is due to their risk of seizure from the withdrawal. Not to "rewire" their brain ad make them ignore withdrawal. No respectable doctor will give benzos to a serious addict with out reason. That is trading one bad addiction for another potentially worse addiction.

Good to see you stopped with the H. Hopefully, you won't play with fire anymore. Especially, the fact you have a deposition to addiction. Alcohol, benzos and seroquel you had an addiction to if I am not mistaken. If you think you can keep using Heroin and not withdraw and become dependent you need to look at the plan again. But, good you are stopping for now. If you do decide to finish it off try to not use consecutive days. Even better once or twice a week.... The further you space it out the longer you can starve off dependency. But, understand dependency is bound to happen.

Maybe i romanticized it in a way (i did say this drug is a piece of shit in the end), but i think a symptom of former addicts is to "devilize" the drugs that caused them so much pain to the point it becomes like this, you can't accept the possibility of someone getting a gram, using it over a lot of days and NOT getting hooked.

Example: I mentioned i had a drinking problem, a serious one. At a point mostly because of people close to me wanting me to (mom etc) i went to an AA meeting. I was the youngest by far, heard some horrible stories of lives destroyed by alcohol, and the attitude these guys had was basically "you can NEVER drink again" etc. When it was over a younger guy came over to me and explained me how these guys were heavily scarred etc, and because they couldn't ever touch a glass again they generalized it. For us it was just different.
The fact is i now drink socially and not often, and it doesn't take over me and make me need to drink like i used to.

H even takes your libido. Few days ago i was under H and with this girl i've been hanging out with and got the balls to ask her to start dating me and she agreed. Right now i'm so happy to have someone (i had been kinda lonely hence the alcohol and drugs) that i could care less about being high on H. When it comes time for the baby making i want my dick to work lol with H you can't even have that. I also know some guys that tried H (just snorted) and are NOT junkies. But i understand when you lose so much to a drug you just wanna get people to not even taste it, i thank you for that concern.

I agree somewhat that the devilizing of certain addictive substances is not going to help someone change their mind. Though, since many people here have been to hell and back they want to express the dangers. They all know that if someone told them what people are telling you now, they wouldn't listen. But, if it can help one person its worth it. No one goes into using drugs thinkin "i'm going to become an addict". But, addiction is pretty much inevitable the way your using. Especially, jumping to the needle. There are certainly people who can use occasionally with out becoming dependent. Though, many people end up dependent whether it is a few weeks later or 15 years later.

As for AA, and people telling you "you can't drink again ever" I don't agree with. The whole once your addicted to a substance you can never use it again puts a lot of stress on the user. Because, if you relapse that makes the user feel they are back at square one.... I don't believe a relapse one time is going back to square one. But, I DO understand why recovering addicts say such thing. It is because MOST people can never use that substance of choice ever again or they will fall into the same pattern as before. So if they say hey no biggy if you relapse then people will get the wrong idea.

. Some people are not as prone to addictions and can moderate their intake with responsibility. But, that is not the majority of the population.

 

[RTrain]

^Yeah, up in the NE there isn't much meth to be found. The heroin is getting more popular with all the crackdowns of Rx painkillers and their skyrocketing prices and unabusable formulas. I honestly can't say I know of anyone who has done Meth over here. That is not to say it is unattainable in the region. I know there have been 2 busts at the same hotel over the past year for someone running a meth lab in one of the rooms. And if you are not out looking for it and doing it, it may seem like less of a problem than it is. I can say for sure that the hospitals are not seeing any Meth related emergencies or people detoxing off it, while the heroin and booze issues remain rampant.

 

[Nicsdragon]

PS: I'm NOT just doing this for fun, meanwhile i lower benzos (I'm on 2/3x 10mg valium a day, want to go just 10mg and while on dope i don't suffer anxiety, ALSO i'm quitting seroquel imediate release (25mg to none - doctors prescription, i just take it to sleep aid and heroin helps again in the process.)

Hi ya. I don't understand the seroquel thing. Do you feel addicted to it? Both my hubby n I were prescribed 150 mg of this by a shrink for aid in staying asleep. It really didn't work for either of us and honestly were we more than happy to stop taking it. We really stopped on our own before we got around to our monthly appt with this shrink (who was horrible BTW).

So just wondering if it worked for you and if your addicted and had WDs from it?

 

[bennyZA]

It's only meth in certain parts of the US.. mainly westcoast and middle america. There is virtually no meth on the east coast of the US. Heroin use among young people is actually on the rise, not tamed or replaced by anything, certainly not meth. Like I said, unless you're talking about some specific areas.

I've lived in NYC, New England, The Midweast, and The West Coast and I only ever saw large scale meth abuse in The Midwest. It exists elsewhere - for sure - but even on The West Coast it's still way less than heroin and far, far less than opiates in general. Though in areas of low population, anywhere in the US, have shockingly high meth use.

SE /E Asia is really interesting these days. The area that is historically known for opium and primo heroin has dramatically turned to meth. It was huge in SE Asia last I was there. Japan and S. Korea, the meth was really pure and the typical addict is nothing like the typical addict in the US. I've read some UN reports that say that a lot of meth is produced by state run companies in N. Korea specifically to flood S. Korean and Japanese markets... I could see that.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

SE /E Asia is really interesting these days. The area that is historically known for opium and primo heroin has dramatically turned to meth. It was huge in SE Asia last I was there. Japan and S. Korea, the meth was really pure and the typical addict is nothing like the typical addict in the US. I've read some UN reports that say that a lot of meth is produced by state run companies in N. Korea specifically to flood S. Korean and Japanese markets... I could see that.

Haven't heard that but that's interesting. Just goes to show that when dealing with such powerful drugs, no population is safe.

 

[bennyZA]

Haven't heard that but that's interesting. Just goes to show that when dealing with such powerful drugs, no population is safe.

It def fits Japanese and Korean cultures well as they are both very driven and intense cultures. SE Asia, like Vietnam and Thailand I was surprised about. I think it has a lot to do with the intense government crackdowns on heroin producers. Meth is so much easier to make and getting pseudo-ephedrine is super easy in those countries.

 

[boomhs]

To Livinginthealps: Yeah i didn't just stop valium i'm not crazy. I went from 30mg/day to 10, and plan to stay that way. With opiates or H i just don't feel anxiety which is a bliss. Seen ppl on forums that got addicted because they chose opiates over living with anxiety.

Hi ya. I don't understand the seroquel thing. Do you feel addicted to it? Both my hubby n I were prescribed 150 mg of this by a shrink for aid in staying asleep. It really didn't work for either of us and honestly were we more than happy to stop taking it. We really stopped on our own before we got around to our monthly appt with this shrink (who was horrible BTW).

So just wondering if it worked for you and if your addicted and had WDs from it?

Basically because i was on it for like 5 years. Sometimes up to 300mg. When i didn't take it i just wouldn't sleep, stay awake whole night and day. Recently it was down to 100mg and felt it less, i tried to stop CT - worst thing i could ever do, i was great a few days then bang, i couldn't sleep, i started feeling like i wanted to die and went back on it - then i found this post in a forum of a girl saying her BF did what i did basically and after a week he was in the shit, had meds upped x3, still wouldn't get better and killed himself.

Seroquel can be the devil. So now i started downgrading, i'm now at 25mg and am going to stop. H helped indeed with overall good feeling. I had a previous deal to get some Oxy in 2/3 weeks, hope i do it will help in the final phase. Oxy, it's more expensive than H tho, so some ppl switch sadly.

I've lived in NYC, New England, The Midweast, and The West Coast and I only ever saw large scale meth abuse in The Midwest. It exists elsewhere - for sure - but even on The West Coast it's still way less than heroin and far, far less than opiates in general. Though in areas of low population, anywhere in the US, have shockingly high meth use.

SE /E Asia is really interesting these days. The area that is historically known for opium and primo heroin has dramatically turned to meth. It was huge in SE Asia last I was there. Japan and S. Korea, the meth was really pure and the typical addict is nothing like the typical addict in the US. I've read some UN reports that say that a lot of meth is produced by state run companies in N. Korea specifically to flood S. Korean and Japanese markets... I could see that.

It def fits Japanese and Korean cultures well as they are both very driven and intense cultures. SE Asia, like Vietnam and Thailand I was surprised about. I think it has a lot to do with the intense government crackdowns on heroin producers. Meth is so much easier to make and getting pseudo-ephedrine is super easy in those countries.

YEah they have this modded meth called "Yaba" that's on the rise among general population because they work insane hours in horrible "assembly line" jobs, and it increases productivity and feels good, employers don't care ofc and it's cheap. So i wouldn't be surprised if the government turned a blind eye as well. There's some docs on youtube.

 

[boomhs]

Goddamn this H i got is too pure for my own good. 3 stamps to go, just snorting and still get a huge buzz just with a hit in the morning. I noticed i'm waking up with body aches and right after i snort they're gone, i'm afraid i'm gonna suffer some w/d when it's gone.

Requesting small stuff that helps with w/d body aches which i think will be the only thing i'll get (had same with dillies w/d, regular pain killers did nothing)

 

[boomhs]

Decided to play it smart (i thinkz) and only do like 1/4th of a bag (2 left) in the morning which immediately kills the small body aches per day. Still get the best high (morning one). This means i'll be doing H for some days but it's reducing and getting the body ready for when it's over which will be better i think.

Thinking all of this came just from a pure 1gram of H... I think that's really the advantage of H as an opioid. But it all only matters if the person starts on zero tolerance. Doing H regularly is just a waste of money and health.