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Heroin 1st time batch of heroin (reasons inside), advice.

From what i've read smoking it a waste, better off snorting. Well anything can be said to be a waste besides IV tbh. I'll only snort from now on anyway since IV is tolerance++. And yesterday i managed to have a mini OD for snorting a bit too much so with H even that is serious business
 
boomhs said:
From what i've read smoking it a waste, better off snorting. Well anything can be said to be a waste besides IV tbh. I'll only snort from now on anyway since IV is tolerance++. And yesterday i managed to have a mini OD for snorting a bit too much so with H even that is serious business
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yes,but i found smoking it relaxing although WD's are the same as if you were injecting,you shouldnt mess around with this stuff,i havent met one social heroin user they all get hooked in the end,your no different than anyone else.
 
eireann said:
yes,but i found smoking it relaxing although WD's are the same as if you were injecting,you shouldnt mess around with this stuff,i havent met one social heroin user they all get hooked in the end,your no different than anyone else.
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Hello, I'm alt 14 /extends hand

Tho to be fair I haven't used heroin in a couple years. But I think I'd do it once or twice more if it ever crossed my path
 
eireann said:
yes,but i found smoking it relaxing although WD's are the same as if you were injecting,you shouldnt mess around with this stuff,i havent met one social heroin user they all get hooked in the end,your no different than anyone else.
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Yeah i'm done with H after the relatively small ammount i got is gone. I know i'll miss it in a way but that's what playing with opiates occasionally is for. And coke sometimes when u go out party. Dunno about meth tho, if it's as bad as it is portraied. I tried ritalin but that's horrible, not even fun.
 
Extremely suicidal thoughts.for months.

severe anxiety panic attacks for months.

RLS your legs hurt so much you cant sit or sleep.

hot sweets on cold skin.

irritable eyes,it feels like you have loose hairs caught in your eye lashes.

diarrhea,you actually shit clear water.

none stop pissing constantly even though you would rather kill yourself than walk to the bathroom.

dont get hooked or thats what you have to look forward to,it will start in and around 12 to 20 hours after your last dose. think about it if you get hooked you will have at max 20 hours to get sorted or your fucked.
 
boomhs said:
Yeah i'm done with H after the relatively small ammount i got is gone. I know i'll miss it in a way but that's what playing with opiates occasionally is for. And coke sometimes when u go out party. Dunno about meth tho, if it's as bad as it is portraied. I tried ritalin but that's horrible, not even fun.
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ah well,i hope you stick to this,you still might get a slight dependence after a few bags,but at least you dont think you are superman and are planning to stop. fair enough.
 
alt 14 said:
Hello, I'm alt 14 /extends hand

Tho to be fair I haven't used heroin in a couple years. But I think I'd do it once or twice more if it ever crossed my path
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hand received =D your mad dude,i wouldnt touch the stuff again after 5 years on it i was 4 stone underweight ,i have guys after me for thousands and if the guards find me i could be going to prison. 8(

oh and a couple of dead friends.
 
Your best bet in a harm reduction sense would be to snort appropriate amounts with your remaining dope, and cast IV aside. Though if you really want to, if the timing is right, I would save IV for when you wake up in the morning. In my experience that is the best rush, get the most out of it, etc. Or, if not in the morning, IV only when you are not already high to get the best rush / feel.

And as always, the longer you can wait between doses the better. This is good for tolerance as well as making your dope last longer! (Who doesn't love that?) Everybody and their mother who starts dope says they don't want to / won't become a junkie, though inevitably MOST do.

Back to IV'ing, in the sense of safety stick to what gets you high.. don't try to push it too much looking for that extra OOMPH.. known too many who thought just a little more wouldn't kill em, but it did or almost did. Just my input and words of wisdom :) Above all.. enjoy while you can!

Last but not least - when you finish that little amount and tell yourself you won't get more, more than likely you will think maybe just once more.. when that happens, tell yourself NO!
 
Tnich55 said:
Your best bet in a harm reduction sense would be to snort appropriate amounts with your remaining dope, and cast IV aside. Though if you really want to, if the timing is right, I would save IV for when you wake up in the morning. In my experience that is the best rush, get the most out of it, etc. Or, if not in the morning, IV only when you are not already high to get the best rush / feel.

And as always, the longer you can wait between doses the better. This is good for tolerance as well as making your dope last longer! (Who doesn't love that?) Everybody and their mother who starts dope says they don't want to / won't become a junkie, though inevitably MOST do.

Back to IV'ing, in the sense of safety stick to what gets you high.. don't try to push it too much looking for that extra OOMPH.. known too many who thought just a little more wouldn't kill em, but it did or almost did. Just my input and words of wisdom :) Above all.. enjoy while you can!

Last but not least - when you finish that little amount and tell yourself you won't get more, more than likely you will think maybe just once more.. when that happens, tell yourself NO!
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THx. Yeah i will do that. If i find it too hard i might get a bit Oxy like i do sometimes but only when tolerance is gone and some time as gone by.
 
Your diazepam habit isn't even all that bad.. banging heroin for w/d is really dumb. It might help, but you're just sowing the seeds for another addiction whether you realize it or not.
 
Moredopamine said:
Your diazepam habit isn't even all that bad.. banging heroin for w/d is really dumb. It might help, but you're just sowing the seeds for another addiction whether you realize it or not.
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also heroin may cover diazepam withdrawal,but i can promise you diazepam wont cover heroin WD's i often popped 8 or 9 D-10's and i was still feeling the heroin WD's bad. after the longest 4 days of your life the tabs might help.

a shit load of dalmane 30mg can cover it up for awhile.

in my experience ponston(shit weak painkiller but hits the RLS) imodium and motillium are the best for heroin WD's they give absolutely no buzz but they control the worst of the physical symptoms.
 
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Excellent advice from the above poster. Immodium being over the counter is so easily accessible and works wonders, there are even cheap generics for a few dollars per bottles of 50-100.

Nothing beats the w/d except for time, though there are plenty of tricks of the trade out there to make you get through it easier.
 
sekio said:
Yes, of course you should stop and let your tolerance go back down as much as possible. Snorting is the best option because it will also keep your tolerance lower.

Doing heroin to quit benzos/antidepressants is a dumb fucking plan. Good way to end up with an opioid habit.



Nobody ever does.
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Or end up dead. I've lost too many friend to the Opi/Benz combo. I simply don't understand why people are willing to take such a high risk. Even worse it seems DR's are prescribing people both.

I'm 6+ years clean of H. It may seem like a waste but flush that shit down the toilet and don't look back. There's no such thing as moderate H use imho. H always wins.

Lastly, quitting drugs with other, HARDER drugs is a very very bad idea. If you are addicted to benzos and wish to get off of them there are plenty of ppl here to help you taper.

It's not easy brother. Good luck.
 
sekio said:
Yes, of course you should stop and let your tolerance go back down as much as possible. Snorting is the best option because it will also keep your tolerance lower.

Doing heroin to quit benzos/antidepressants is a dumb fucking plan. Good way to end up with an opioid habit.



Nobody ever does.
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Read #18, i would have done H anyway, i had to try it. I'll try to explain why a intelligent person would make a informed decision to try H which is obviously a not a smart thing to do:

90% of my idols did it, many perished to it actually. It's all around our culture, it's affected the music i love, the films that defined me as a person. I remember watching trainspotting as a kid and when he goes "It's a thousand times better than your best orgasm", i thought "someday i'll try it, just once". Ofc it's fking playing with fire, but it's the forbidden fruit effect. Partially it's a test of willpower i wanted to take. Why did Ulysses wanted to be tied to the mast and hear the syrens song? It's part of human nature to crave the forbidden, it's depicted in religion right off the bat with Adam and Eve, in fables, everywhere.

In the end, it's a horrible drug which is completely stupid to take part off, unlike e.g. weed etc. I don't plan on getting any more ever. In the future if i'm offered it in some occasion i can actually say yes and not be afraid of being the "1st time". I don't regreat trying it at all, and it indeed helped me in the way i had a few great days (would have been bad ones since i'm suffering a bit atm because of stopping seroquel and benzos). Will i lose my will and get more and become a junkie and die in the streets? There's a chance ofc, but i'm confident i won't :]
 
boomhs said:
Will i lose my will and get more and become a junkie and die in the streets? There's a chance ofc, but i'm confident i won't :]
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Ah the famous last words of ''EVERY SINGLE'' heroin addict,you are no different than the rest of us and im not being bad, but you are romanticizing heroin in your head and making excuses to do it. you have the perfect mindset to become a full blown addict......stop now dude,if you have any left flush it!!!
 
eireann said:
Ah the famous last words of ''EVERY SINGLE'' heroin addict,you are no different than the rest of us and im not being bad, but you are romanticizing heroin in your head and making excuses to do it. you have the perfect mindset to become a full blown addict......stop now dude,if you have any left flush it!!!
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Exactly. I had the same shit going on in my head when I did it. "Forbidden Fruit" and "Romanticizing" it were BIG reasons I was curious. And JUST like everyone else here I thought I'd fight addiction. Now that you have tried it once and even admitted if you are able to try it again you probably will is already admitting you are somewhat addicted (even if just mentally) at this point.

Think about this. When you had your first orgasm did you stop fucking or wanking it? NO. It felt great and you are like any human and want that release often. Heroin is no different. If the situation presents itself you are likely to try it again....and again....and again.

Good luck. We all gotta learn from our own mistakes.
 
Maybe i romanticized it in a way (i did say this drug is a piece of shit in the end), but i think a symptom of former addicts is to "devilize" the drugs that caused them so much pain to the point it becomes like this, you can't accept the possibility of someone getting a gram, using it over a lot of days and NOT getting hooked.

Example: I mentioned i had a drinking problem, a serious one. At a point mostly because of people close to me wanting me to (mom etc) i went to an AA meeting. I was the youngest by far, heard some horrible stories of lives destroyed by alcohol, and the attitude these guys had was basically "you can NEVER drink again" etc. When it was over a younger guy came over to me and explained me how these guys were heavily scarred etc, and because they couldn't ever touch a glass again they generalized it. For us it was just different.
The fact is i now drink socially and not often, and it doesn't take over me and make me need to drink like i used to.

H even takes your libido. Few days ago i was under H and with this girl i've been hanging out with and got the balls to ask her to start dating me and she agreed. Right now i'm so happy to have someone (i had been kinda lonely hence the alcohol and drugs) that i could care less about being high on H. When it comes time for the baby making i want my dick to work lol with H you can't even have that. I also know some guys that tried H (just snorted) and are NOT junkies. But i understand when you lose so much to a drug you just wanna get people to not even taste it, i thank you for that concern.
 
Idk why everyone glamorizes heroin. Oh it's soooo bad, way different than other hard drugs. Like oxycodone or meth. And then you have other people who think and say its like the best in the world. Sometimes people say both are true ?? Like whattt.

I've done it. My conclusions are its similar to other opiates or even broader would be like pretty much like any other drug saving nicotine alcohol and pot. I wouldn't tell my dad to try adderall or (non-prescribed) Vicodin, but I finally convinced him to smoke pot with me. Honestly I thought that was cool he was open minded to it.

But as far as suggesting to a non-drug user to try hard drugs, I don't know that I've done that(maybe with 4mmc but everyone was acting fucked back in the day with it), but to someone who already has or wants to use them? Well it's not that bad. I mean if you treat it like what it is - an addictive opiate - I don't see too much shame in doing sometimes in your life. Like as in your free time?

Idk but obviously for harm reduction one's to say don't do hard drugs so that's my official advice I guess.
 
alt 14 said:
Idk why everyone glamorizes heroin. Oh it's soooo bad, way different than other hard drugs. Like oxycodone or meth. And then you have other people who think and say its like the best in the world. Sometimes people say both are true ?? Like whattt.
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I still say, it's because the huge cultural impact. Like Breaking Bad and meth now, but times a thousand in all forms of art. Look at music only, "Heroin" by Velvet Underground in the 70's, "Hurt" by NiN. It becomes more than a drug, an idea, a shared feeling sometimes of bliss sometimes of despair. Youth these days don't get into H much but look at meth, rising and rising, and between the two come the devil and choose.

There will always be "something". H, now meth, in the future something crazy like Refrain (code geass anime).
 
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