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mark881

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Was discussing with my old skool raver friend about the pills before...however I'm trying to construct some sort of comparison formula to illustrate to the newer ravers I go out with old pills vs new pills.

White Dove (90s) = 10 green squares / pink diamonds / standard todays pill

My friend then commented that 2 x Doves = 1 x Square (90s)

But then he went on to say a Disco Biscuit = 3 x Squares (90s)

So by that insane formula 1xDisco Biscuit = 60 of todays pills or 6Gs of MDMA. That makes utterly no sense whatsoever!
 
This is a bad way to estimate things.

Someone who has used mdma in the past will more than likely have a permanent change in tolerance.

So therefore, if someone later on tries these different pills and comments on potency, then the comparison results are going to be inaccurate.
 
Darksidesam said:
This is a bad way to estimate things.

Someone who has used mdma in the past will more than likely have a permanent change in tolerance.

So therefore, if someone later on tries these different pills and comments on potency, then the comparison results are going to be inaccurate.
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you 're right mate no one take count about tolerance, last friday I've dropped a blue smurf 150-180mg and fuck it was the biggest dose i've ever tried in a pill (im from southamerica, pills are shit here 60-90mg if they contain mdma), but still it was the biggest experience it was no like the firsts times.... you will never again feel like the first time..
 
alasdairm said:
this makes no sense to me. please explain (show your work) :)

what do you believe is a 'standard todays pill' in terms of volume and content?

alasdair
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This is obv a guesstimate on my own experience.

90s doves, I take 1/2 pill and would be off my head for 4 hours solid, clothing soaked in sweat.

2012 Green Squares, I take a whole pill, it last 1hr 15mins and I'm not really sweating too bad at all.

So 1/2 dove = 4-5 green squares.

I used to take Doves regular, you don't build up too much tolerance to them (or I didnt), it's just maybe 10-20% less intense but maintains week in week out.

Also = 1/2 Dove = out of it all week.

3-4 Green Squares = little tired next day but fine.
 
This whole formula thing is silly.

From what my brothers told me of his 90's raving days. Pills were definately better then. Even towards the end in his "heavy" days he was only taking 2-4 over an entire night (and even doing half pills sometimes.)

Whereas I got into it around 2005ish - and even at the start it took 2-3 to start with and up to 15 over the course of the night. (and yes, most of my pills got tested - not all but i'd say a good 80%)

But no doubt theres some top notch ones out there, it's just not as common as it used to be.
 
im gonna have to AGREE with darksidesam on this. iv heard it a million billion times from ravers in the 90's that pills were better than any of the super pills we have nowa days. dont you think after popping so many pills over the years that ur tolerance is going to be permanantly altered. my tolerance has been permanantly affected after just ONE good go with some red defqons. i took 2.5 of them and now iv PERMANANTLY burned out some receptors for sure. i can still roll but it just doesnt seem the same anymore sad face. but iv had a decent break and ill be trying some yellow tri-force.
 
and buffalosoldier called it. you will NEVER have those first times again. no matter how much MDMA or MDEA or MDA you ingest its not gonna be like the first times doing it. its like many drugs guys. like opiates foe instanse. i remember the first time i took oxy contin i was fuuuuucked up. then after taking for a while i had to start taking insane amounts to be as high as i was the first few times. when i first start with the oxy i was taking like 40mg to get really fucked. nowa days even if i havnt taken oxy for a whole month i gotta take like at least 60mg for me to even feel it. for me to be feelin like the "OLD DAYS" i would have to take like 100+ mg all at one time. so do you see my point?
 
in the US i can say that there is generally a difference in potency of pills now vs. the 90's... since the majority of pills in the US (in the 90s) came out of europe the doseage was on par with european pills.. e.g. 100-150 mg MDxx in a pill... now thats not even close to the case... here in chicago our good pills are 90-110 mg MDxx... but still this is just a 2-1 or maybe a 3-1 but thats it... saying MDMA has gotten 10x weaker is just not logical...
 
I have to come down on the side of the 90's tabs being much stronger. You could take half of a speckled wafer and after you puked be floored for 5 hours. Tolerance wasnt an issue back then even for the folks who I was partying with who had started dropping in the mid 80's before mdma was scheduled.
 
Section813 said:
I have to come down on the side of the 90's tabs being much stronger. You could take half of a speckled wafer and after you puked be floored for 5 hours. Tolerance wasnt an issue back then even for the folks who I was partying with who had started dropping in the mid 80's before mdma was scheduled.
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dear mate, I agree with you that in the 90's and even in the 80's pills did contain much more MDMA quantity than today, that is a fact.
But tolerance was not an issue because is like you said, mdma was not scheduled and researched like today we have even tests in order to know what kind of chems are on it..

Still there are others ways of dropping the very same doses from the 80's and 90's, pure molly can be added to caps, and it's up to you how high you want to be..

cheers
 
The pills coming out of hollland at the moment are very strong, its like the makers are having some sort of competition to see who can make the strongest, the blue nikes were tested at 160mg, but the newer batch are rumoured to be around 180mg, however the defqons started at about 190mg, and have gone down to 144mg, its very strange the doses going up and down at the moment
 
Section813 said:
I have to come down on the side of the 90's tabs being much stronger. You could take half of a speckled wafer and after you puked be floored for 5 hours. Tolerance wasnt an issue back then even for the folks who I was partying with who had started dropping in the mid 80's before mdma was scheduled.
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Tolerance - I used to take 1/2 a pill at random nights, maybe few times a year. I got the same rush every time. 1st = 3rd = 5th roll. The first time I took ecstasy was a 1/2 Dove in a house party, I was the only one dancing lolz! But when I took 1/2 in a club shortly after, that was better and more intense.

When I did clubbing 4 weeks in a row (circa 1994), I found the rush wasn't quite as intense on the way up BUT I was more comfortable with it as it was a bit overwhelming in the first place. I also looked forward more to the club night as I knew what to expect. So in terms of overall happiness = even!

Now I am going to say this - the pills of old 90s, were stronger, but they had bigger side effects.

- pains in chest (probably heart muscle, other friends got this)
- hanging jaw and looking wasted while you were on it
- being utterly wiped out for days afterwards, in a sort of smash lethargic mellow way.
- clothing soaked wet. I'll never forget the cold air hitting my jeans as I left the club and something close to jumping in freezin cold water.

So I am still curious - if the pills of 90s and 2012 have similar MDMA amounts, why do the pills of today run out of steam after 90minutes vs 4 hours of 90s pills? More amphetamine?

Another thing I have noticed, on old pills I'd be pretty horny and get it up no problem. These new pills seem to knock my sex drive right out the window.

And finally, old pills seemed to make you more loved up, friendly and so forth. It doesn't seem to be the case these days.
 
Section813 said:
I have to come down on the side of the 90's tabs being much stronger. You could take half of a speckled wafer and after you puked be floored for 5 hours. Tolerance wasnt an issue back then even for the folks who I was partying with who had started dropping in the mid 80's before mdma was scheduled.
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I completely agree that the pills back then were stronger. It is true.... American pills today have like 40 fucking mg...


but if you were to take the same amount as you did back then today (without 20 years tolerance), you would feel almost the exact same thing.

MDMA = MDMA... unless you get all funky with the isomers, like they do with the Defqons and Tri-Forces and such
 
Roofiezz said:
The pills coming out of hollland at the moment are very strong, its like the makers are having some sort of competition to see who can make the strongest, the blue nikes were tested at 160mg, but the newer batch are rumoured to be around 180mg, however the defqons started at about 190mg, and have gone down to 144mg, its very strange the doses going up and down at the moment
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hey that's interesting.. let's hope they keep filling pills with high doses to compete between producers
Last Friday I dropped a Blue Smurf, it was the BOMB of my life, it came directly from the Netherlands, there is a post on pillreports about this round blue smurf from 01/24/2012 and they said is 150-180mg tested!!! so you can imagine me, being used to drop up to 2 and a half 60-90mg pills from the regional market, the kind of reaction to this gift from the old continent... glorious!
 
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