1906-08 Hofmann Om Blotter ID

[LSD Cruiser]

So let's start the debate. I know it's ongoing here somewhere but I can't find it. Actually, I didn't look because the moderators tend to do that for you p).

Anyways, I have viewed the GC/MS which has been a source of confusion among us. I'm not convinced it isn't LSD, technically. The analysis might not even be real as it is just something I found online somewhere.

My question is: how likely do you think the possibility is instead of hydrogen atoms, there are deuterium atoms at the N-methyl group? In theory this should not change effects but the molar mass is increased creating a different reading, no?

Here it comes... maybe.

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

I would think there would be a small amount of deuterium atoms in LSD. I think the ratio is 0.02% of all hydrogen atoms or something.
However the natural occurrence of isotopes is taken into consideration when calculating the atomic masses of the atoms
Unless you mean something else and I'm just getting confused

 

[LSD Cruiser]

Let me explain. A few years back there were GC/MS analysis published online for a popular LSD print from Europe known as the 1906-08 Hofmann Oms. Results however were inconclusive due to a variety of factors. LSB/LSP were thought to be the real culprits but what I saw in the analysis did not seem to support that. One theory I am suggesting is the hydrogen atoms at the N-Methyl group instead are deuterium atoms. I would map it out like this:

So what we have here is practically the same but Mol has changed to create the peak witnessed. The LSD has been....deuterized. %)

 

[sekio]

why dont you post the spectra

deuterated lsd (lsd-d3) would be very easy to distinguish from 'regular' lsd because of the +3 amu mass shift on many peaks - it is unlikely it would be physiologically very different at all from regular lsd. The difference between a deuterium and a hydrogen is very very slim.

If you're talking about this, it's already been discussed on BL And it's not deuterated LSD.

 

[LSD Cruiser]

Yeah brother you are correct. I assumed it was discussed before, so what was the consensus?

By the way with your explanation I can see the difference a mile away even though I am feeling a very strong visual component of some mescaline analogues, haha. It was a passing thought with the "Needlepoint vs. White Fluff" debate. I didn't know where the spectra was and hadn't seen it in for a few years.

I wasn't suggesting it had physiological differences either, btw. I tried the blotters in question at low and high dosages and certainly could not tell the difference between LSD. I still feel like it's LSD. Am I in denial, or what?