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16mg IV Dilaudid -- Not getting a rush, not getting high. Am I doing this wrong?

titicaca2

titicaca2

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I have been an IV heroin user for two years. My tolerance is very high, but I have been trying to ween down. I have been taking quarter doses with a .5 mg xanax in the morning to combat the anxiety that has to do with under-dosing. Well, I'm out of dope. I have 30 2mg dilaudid.

I have tried this twice now, the first time I crushed 10 of the 2mg small pills (small M on them, very small round white pill) in between a piece of paper with a lighter and poured the powder onto the spoon. I added one CC of water, as I only have one CC rigs. I thoroughly stirred it up, then I used a large pre-wet loose cotton filter (no micron available) and dropped it in the center of paste and tried to suck up liquid. I got about 30 units and the rest was a gunky paste. I added more water and mixed it around, trying to move the cotton around to the more watery (less pasty) spots to absorb the liquid. With a whole bunch of white paste left on my spoon, I eventually had a rig almost full of liquid. But when I hit, I felt nothing. Absolutely nothing.

The second time I used 16mg (8 of them) and put them directly on the spoon and added about 2 cc's of water. I crushed them with the plunger. This time, I heated it. This seemed to separate the water from the gunk. I used the same process to cotton filter it and retrieve a 1 cc rig full of clear liquid. This time, I was dope sick, and although I felt NO RUSH I seemed to feel better.

Is it my tolerance? My process? I don't understand.

But I don't want to keep wasting them, I'd rather save them and just get my D.O.C...
 
i think your problem is, that with using so many pills, there is too much powder. that makes it harder to get everything out of it. you need to find some stronger ones so there are less pills involved in the shot. ive had this problem before.
 
try to find the 8s and use 2 of them to equal 16mgs. I have a high tolerance also, but only 2 8mgs is a lot less powder so much more of it dissolves into the shot. Also, less pill binders to worry about :)
 
Dilaudids supposed to have a great rush, and I havent it done it in awhile, but with a dope habit, I think it takes quite a bit....I've gotten a good rush from them(don't remember the dose) but I dont think theyre THAT great compared to heroin...the ones I had were yellow...so, IDK
 
my84firebird355 said:
sounds like you have 5mg hydrocodone not 2mg dilaudid. They are almost identical if I recall correctly.
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I highly doubt that. You can't even get pure hydrocodone pills in the US, unless it's being illegally imported or made in a clandestine lab or something (which would surprise me, seems like a lot of work for a weaker opioid). When sold commercially in the US, hydrocodone is always combined with a large amount of another drug, normally APAP (acetaminophen), or occasionally aspirin or ibuprofen. This means pills that contain 5 mg hydrocodone are HUGE and look nothing like hydromorphone pills.

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titicaca2 - If you were not prescribed these pills, you would first need to make sure they are in fact hydromorphone (generic Dilaudid). We do not do pill identification here, but you can Google "pill id" to find a site that does and put in the imprint (include what it says on the side that doesn't say "M"), shape and colour.

If they are definitely hydromorphone, then it does seem surprising that you would feel nothing from 16-20mg injected. You didn't say how much of another opioid you normally use though, it's possible you might have an enormous tolerance. Another likely possibility is that some of the active ingredient is getting trapped in the gunk.

The other thing is were expecting a rush and feeling like heroin? When I IV'd Dilaudid it did certainly relieve my heroin withdrawals and give some opioid effects, but it wasn't like heroin. (I used the same prep technique as you but I used brand-name not generic Dilaudid (which contains 2 less inactive ingredients than the Mallinckrodt hydromorphone, sometimes the inactives can make a difference in whether or not it gets dissolved properly or gets trapped in the gunk) and I used a lot less than you.) I think sometimes IV heroin can "ruin" you for other drugs, nothing feels the same as heroin.

I remember seeing a thread very similar to your's a while back but I can't find it now. I would maybe try plugging (rectal administration) and see if that works.
 
They are most definitely 2mg dilaudid. I checked on pill ID. I'm not looking for a heroin rush per se--but something? "Feeling it" in anyway after injecting. I know there is too much powder to deal with properly, but I have NO access to anything else and have at least 24 hours until I can get to dope city.

My tolerance to heroin is very high. I can still get nod-off high off about a .3 shot (west coast very high quality gunpowder). I can stay well off .2 a day... But I can do/sometimes DO do well over a gram a day.

I only have 1cc rigs but I could plug three of them back to back (needle removed). That would be a first... I'll dig around for a good plugging thread.... Much easier than trying to hit three times with my disappearing veins.
 
Well, you gotta figure .3 of good H that's 50 percent purity would equal out to 150 mgs of pure Heroin....I'm not sure what's stronger mg for mg, hydromophone or H, but theres a conversion chart on here somewhere....so, there you go! One .3 of really good quality H could potentially take a lot of hydromorphone to match, It should keep you well until tommorow though...
 
According to my chart, 1mg IV hydromorphine should be roughly equal to around 3-5mg pure IV heroin. I doubt that street heroin is 50% pure - in 2004 in the PNW area the average purity was apparently around 40%, but I really think purity has gone down substantially since then (at least in my experience, unless it's gone up recently since it's been quite a while since I used any). I would go with a more conservative estimate of 25% pure. If you can get well off 200mg/day lets say that maybe it's equal to ~50mg pure; 300mg in one shot to get nodding high let's say would be ~75mg pure. Therefore at a conversion ratio of 4:1 one would assume ~12-13mg/day of IV hydromorphone should get you well and ~18-19mg of IV hydromorphone should get you nodding high. Even IF the heroin was substantially more pure or accounting for individual variability I really think you should still feel 20mg of IV hydromorphone. I would assume that a lot of it is getting trapped in the gunk.

Good luck with the plugging :)
 
I can only go on my experience, but back when I only had a small heroin habit and was using just mostly dilaudids, I would love it.. I'd get the craziest rush, it was amazing. I stopped with them for a couple years and my heroin habit got very large and I'd been using every day for a while. I got ahold of more dilaudids and they just weren't doing it for me anymore. I would shoot 5 or 6 of the 8mg's and it was just blah not the amazing god-like rush I got in the past. I stopped even bothering with them because it was so much of a chore making my shot with all them damn pills. I said fuck it, realized my days with hydromorph were over, and just upped my heroin intake.. hah. But man back in the day, dilaudid was my shit. I'm a little nostalgic.. :(
 
I have I answer for you I experienced the same exact problem you're going through I switched from dS to heroin and try to switch back To ds and it took me about 4 days to finally start getting a rush for some reason heroin when does your tolerance of the roof for any other opiates and yes I got the same thing no rush but I felt better and my eyes were pinnedout
 
I usually throw a little bit of heat to my pills even though it's not recommended. But the dilaudids completely dissolve into crystal clear water when I do.
 
i think it's definitely the number of pills and the amount of powder in the spoon. yeah, your tolerance is high, and dilaudid might not be as killer as it could be was it lower, but if you're only getting back 30 units when u should be getting closer to 100, then it seems obvious that a lot of the active ingredient is caught in the pill mush.
 
IVing dilaudid is generally a waste, for me, i was IVing the 4mg pills when herion became dry in my area, all it gave me was a 2-4 second intense rush, followed by complete soberness, no after high, just a 2-4 sec rush..waste!
 
If you like and are used to Heroin, Dilaudid is tame when comparing the rush. It will kill the pain. It will keep you out of withdrawals. But the rush is negligible compared to heroin.

No need to heat. The fillers in most brands are water soluble.

In short, you will not find the "high" you are looking for since you are not opiate naive and have experience with heroin.

The plus side is that you you can more easily know that 16mg of dilaudid is going to have the same potency from one batch to the next. You never know how potent your heroin is going to be.

The down side, is you may be tempted to do too much trying to imitate the rush of heroin. Instances of this scenario is not too uncommon.

Enjoy it for what it is and the fact that you can socialize for hours with a nice buzz without looking real fucked up. Smoking weed with it is fine. Drinking alcohol with it can be fatal.
 
^^^

You think the dilaudid rush is weaker than H? First time I ever heard that before from somebody. Dilaudid has no legs, meaning the high is very short, but the rush itself is incredibly strong.. stronger than any opiate.

I still much prefer good H, but when it comes to the actual rush, dilaudid is like getting hit by a truck.
 
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