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15x Kratom

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Wes_Mantooth

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Sorry to be a nooby first post thread starter but i can't seem to find many decent answers regarding dosage for Kratom i.e lots of contradictions. I just bought 6g's of Kratom 15x extract, would anbody be able to advise me as to the dosage for a first timer? There's alot of talk about the regular leaves, but this isn't what i have....I understand the best method would be to make a tea. So what would be a good amount for the extract in say, teaspoons to put into my tea?

Again, sorry if this is one of many duplicate threads, if it is could you just point me in the right direction?

Cheers!
 
we dont generally give out dose information. this is more of a BDD question. you might want to check out erowid, maybe do a google or forum search.

i dont use this shit so i cant really help ya out =/
 
Yeah no worries, I have found various places saying dosage but theres a lot of variation. Some of those experience reports appear to be written by others with no previous experience with kratom, who basically just dump an eye-balled amount in some tea without giving a fuck. Just thought people on these boards might be able to give a slightly more informed opinion. Haha no idea why I'd trust one internet message board more than another however....
 
I think you will get some good responses in the Basic Drug Discussion forum. There is also a TON of good information on dosing available through the search engine. Check it out!

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Ah great, i didnt understand the abbreviation before, I'll take a look now. Thanks.

So.many.threads! haha
 
Personally I have never tried it, but I would like to give my 2 cents.

I don't suggest you buy pre-extracted botanicals online. Buy "1x" and extract it yourself, so you don't end up thinking 15x is only X strong at X dosage. Because in reality you probably bought 10x. But its cool, right?

IME this works best for salvia, if you are up for swimming in the deep waters. Salvia on average costs $15-$25 USD an ounce compared to the same advertised potency being ~$60USD or so for a gram of 28x. Im sure it works the same with kratom too. ;D
 
Yeah i've done salvia quite a few times before and that stuff is insane haha. But kratoms a whole other animal right. I get what you're saying though, i guess its just marketing bullshit. Anyway, i have the 15x now, so i might just try a teaspoon of that in some tea and see how it goes.
 
The leaf powder I use for a low dose is 3-5g and high 4-8g. It really depends on how strong the leaf is. I've had a friend's 20X extract once and took 1g, experienced almost nothing and then took another and gram and felt how I would feel on my usual high powder dose. :S

I've heard many similar stories with extracts before.

That being said in regards to your initial questions 15g of leaf powder would make me sick if it is actually a 1:15 ratio.
 
I've had some experience with regular leaf, not 15x. However I've been thinking about trying some 15 or 25 - because I toss'and'wash (eat the powder in bundles) and don't make tea. I find from 5 to 10 grams to be a good amount for me, and that's a lot of powder to down.

If it were me, I'd divide the 6g you have into 6 doses (to start.) And try one. If you want to be cautious do a half. With Kratom, which is natural and not a research chem, I don't think you'd have any problems with starting with 1g. That's not really harm reduction, so seeing as you've never tried it before, just eat a pinch and wait 5 hours to make sure you don't have some crazy allergic reaction (which I highly doubt.)

In any rate - let us know what you do and how it works for you. Kratom is an interesting substance, I find it's hit or miss and haven't been able to figure out why sometimes it's great and other times it's pfffft. I think, at least for me, tolerance sets in hard after the first dose. Which is a good thing, because then I can only use it on rare occasions.
 
Thats great, thanks a lot for the advice. From what i've already read i was thinking about doing the dividing by 6 thing too. I'll post back the experience as and when. Cheers!
 
Ok i drank 1g yesterday but didnt feel much so ended up having 2 more. All in all i could feel it a bit, but nothing to great. I might just do the other 3 all at once next time, but from what ive been reading 3 gs of 15x would be quite a bit?? Not giving up on it yet though!
 
I've had experience with kratom on may different occasions, shapes and forms.

My opinion if it matters at all:

Whole Leaf: Pretty good bang for the $ if you boil it down into tea and drink it. However it does take a good 30-45mins to boil enough down. So preparation time is a con, yet i believe effects are worth the labor

15X extract: This stuff varies throughout the vendors. Do some googling and look for the one vendor who actually created it, they standardized their formula and I wouldn't trust anyone else that carries it. For this I would start with a gram in some peanut butter or mix into some orange juice and take it down...wait 45mins, if nothing then another gram. Yields decent effects if you are short on time, however it is slightly more $ so you weigh time vs money.

Super fine extracts/tinctures[/B: at this point i feel like the only people who buy this type of kratom are just looking for an easy opiate alternative and are to lazy to make tea or are caught up in the marketing hype. This stuff does give you effects, but not necessary the same as above, they're not always desired because not all the chems in the leaf make it to the final extract, thus leaving you with different effects and paying upwards to about $40+ a dose. The jokes on you unless you poop $100 bills.

All in all...I like the stuff, but stick with the tea made from the leaf.
 
TripAtristMos said:
I've had experience with kratom on may different occasions, shapes and forms.

My opinion if it matters at all:

Whole Leaf: Pretty good bang for the $ if you boil it down into tea and drink it. However it does take a good 30-45mins to boil enough down. So preparation time is a con, yet i believe effects are worth the labor

15X extract: This stuff varies throughout the vendors. Do some googling and look for the one vendor who actually created it, they standardized their formula and I wouldn't trust anyone else that carries it. For this I would start with a gram in some peanut butter or mix into some orange juice and take it down...wait 45mins, if nothing then another gram. Yields decent effects if you are short on time, however it is slightly more $ so you weigh time vs money.

Super fine extracts/tinctures[/B: at this point i feel like the only people who buy this type of kratom are just looking for an easy opiate alternative and are to lazy to make tea or are caught up in the marketing hype. This stuff does give you effects, but not necessary the same as above, they're not always desired because not all the chems in the leaf make it to the final extract, thus leaving you with different effects and paying upwards to about $40+ a dose. The jokes on you unless you poop $100 bills.

All in all...I like the stuff, but stick with the tea made from the leaf.
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Some good information.......ive never tried Kratom either but do have the 15x potency sitting in a baggy waiting to be consumed. Might try it this weekend.
 
Wes_Mantooth said:
Ok i drank 1g yesterday but didnt feel much so ended up having 2 more. All in all i could feel it a bit, but nothing to great. I might just do the other 3 all at once next time, but from what ive been reading 3 gs of 15x would be quite a bit?? Not giving up on it yet though!
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Don't give up on it. I find kratom a very nice random alternative. I would never use it every day, it simply doesn't have an everyday appeal for me though.

I usually dose around 6-9grams of one of the shredded leave preparations from a reputable supplier. I just ordered a new product of it from the website and am looking forward to seeing how it varies.

I wouldn't recommend extracts because as always, all batches are going to vary. Your already trying a new companies product and now your hoping they don't mess up the extract too. Some websites have junky kratom for lame prices. Thats why I'd recommend actual leaf. Or ground leaf actually. That way the water can get in every bit, and you try out the supplier before your spending extra money on an extract.
(Pm me if your interested in talking about where to get kratom)
 
In terms of opioid effects.. 15 grams of red vein thai is equivalent to 35-40 mgs of hydrocodone.. 2 grams of sem kratom is equivalent to 35-40 mgs of hydrocodone or 15-20 mgs of oxycocodone and 2 grams of uei kratom is equivalent to ~ 35 mgs of hydrocodone.. It's legal, it's very potent and you feel great on it.. There should be no reason why so many people bash kratom.. It works !
 
Well it's up in the air, a lot of the extracts online are poorly made and don't have all the alkaloids present the leaf, I have some 20x that has all the alkaloids and I plan to do 2 grams test the feeling and then slam the other 2 if I dont feel much. I also have a natural tolerance to opiates. So just make some tea test out like 1 gram then slam whatever you feel is necessary, it hits pretty fast.
 
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