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15mg 2C-T-21 - First Time - Overview of effects

Don Luigi

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EDIT: There seems to have been some confusion about the substance taken. The substance was 2C-T-21



This happened a few weeks ago, this is not so much a trip report as an overview of effects since I don't want to waste your time describing everything I went and did under it's effects.

The times are a bit rough but are worked out based on certain scheduled appointments.

T+0:00


Me and my friend both take 15mg wrapped up in a rolling paper. The powder is more paste like than the 2C-B from the day before. We decided to drop just before we leave for his band practice at the studio which is only around the corner, we drop and head out to the studio, the practice is at 8pm and they are booked in for 2 hours.

T+0:15

I get a phone call from a friend asking to come for some joints and buy some rotissary chicken, I agree and tell the band I will be back in time to hear their set.

T+0:30

We arrive at tesco's and buy the chicken, I feel a trippy, anxious feeling and feel very light. The anxiety is minimal but there, it is mostly in the stomach so I eat some chicken. Whilst in tesco's I began to get my first visual effects. The floors had little flashing dots, like little neon LED's(Light Emitting Diodes).

T+0:45

I am now in a video rental store and as I am browsing with my friend I begin to notice patterns on the carpet, I asked my sober friend if he too could see the patterns and he said 'kinda'. I figured it was just a pattern in the carpet. But as I look at the carpet, the whole room begins to shift and edge slowly towards the right, small visuals distortions on the dvd covers. I go outside and the same patterns from the carpet emerge on the cobblestones, the come out of the ground like a mould, I am feeling goofy, happy and talkative.

T+1:15 - 2:00

I return to the studio to hear my friends band, I felt like an inconvenience as I always do when around sober people but nevertheless I shut up and let them play. The bassist who had also taken the substance said he was getting patterns and he felt like he was in a very nice head space. The same patterns I had been seeing are in the studio. I am not sure wether the cannabis potentiated some effects.

The music seems to intense and judgemental(which delighted the band when they heard me say it) it was a bit too intense, I wanted to go outside but thought it would be rude. I found a chair and perched down.

I thought this might be a good time to inspect any CEV'S. I closed my eyes and tried to let go but I couldn't, a problem I had the day before with 2C-B. I tried several times and everytime there was a neon woman dancing right infront of me and getting a bit too close for comfort so I had to open my eyes.

The sound proof padding had my intrest for alot of my time in there because there would be little strobes moving between the gaps, strobes of red, blue and pink. If I observed for long enough, they would join up and form a grid.

They began to play my favourite song of theirs and I stared at the one point. I became lost in the drug. My surroundings completley changed. I was sitting in a club and the band were still there playing but I was on a big long sofa. On a lower level there were pople playing on a snooker table and enjoying the music. Beside me was a woman in a red dress with blonde hair, sipping on her coctail, I could see her out of the corner of my eye but thought it would be rude to stare, she seemed attractive. I snapped out of this state when the woman touched me and startled me, I then realised I was still in the studio.

T+4:00 - 5:00

Over the past two hours, the visual effects had not intensified which. I didn't expect anything spectacular having taken 30mg of 2C-B the day before, but visuals aren't what I was looking for in this drug, I was looking for a solid good time. When I left the studio two hours before we did various activities, music sounded very very good the whole time. What started as a gentle uplifting feeling had now manifested into a euphoric feeling. Mentally it felt very similar to MDMA without the empathy, the euphoria was about half that of MDMA BUT nonetheless I was loving this chemical. It put me in a very party friendly headspace that I had been looking for for a long time.

After a while I began noticing a unique visual effect. Anything I looked at that had dot's or points with different elevation began to have little gems on it that would change colour. The gems would all be aligned, sometimes spelling out words I couldn't understand but it was entertaining to watch.


T+6:00 - 7:00

I was now in the company of drunk strangers, who were being rowdy, loud and a bit violent towards each other, I found the whole situation absolutley hillarious and it was great entertainment. This really suprised me because I have felt extremley uncomfortable in these situations when sober, drunk, on MDMA and on some pshychedelics. Here I was in a situation I am normally very uncomfortable with, I would not usually open my mouth to anyone not my friend and would want to leave immediatley, I was in a real party mood.

At about +6:30 I began to notice the euphoria diminish but the nice head space still remained. I was however getting frustrated as my friend was in quite a heated debate with one of the drunkards and I just wanted his attention so I could get my bag of weed and leave because I was staying at the bassist's house with the guitarist and they had a gig the next day and had to be up early.

T+7:00 - 9:00

I still don't feel ready to sleep, I could pull it off but I am enjoying talking to my friend about his experiences tonight and reassuring them about their first gig because they are a very unique band. Over the next two hours I feel the drug come off in waves, the euphoria is long gone and head space diminishes with every joint I smoke and for about 30minutes becomes a state which I can only describe as 'stoned with a twist of lemon'.

As I go to sleep, although I am no longer feeling the drug mentally I can still see the little gems except now they don't change colours and form simple lines, I fall asleep very easily and rest my tired brain.

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Overview
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I very much enjoyed this chemical and would love to try it again. I would not say it is a pshychedelic, rather that it has it's very own unique headspace which is very comfortable and made me feel very happy and glad of my company. It gave me as much musical appreciation as MDMA would give me but only about half of the euphoria if that. Visuals are very basic and after a short time I did not pay any attention to them except to find out if they were still there.

This would take over MDMA's old role for me very nicely as MDMA no longer does it's job for me. I prefer this chemical to MDMA but perhaps I'm bitter of the fact that MDMA no longer works.

Although I don't think it's a pshychedelic, I think it could be given the right setting. Had I taken the drug alone then I would definatley have gotten a bit lost in the experience based on what happened in the studio. A would love to have more access to this substance to try it alone with my eyes closed as there seems to be some unique CEV's, completley unlike those from any other drug I have taken.

I smoked cannabis before and during the experience so perhaps this affected the experience but I can not say as I have only taken it once and was stoned before and smoked cannabis throughout.

There may have been some cross tolerance with 2C-B from the day before, this I also can not say.

The substance was very rewarding and would definatley do it again and I would suggest it to the MDA lovers out there although it shares some similarities to MDA it is in it's own right very different.

Thank you for reading and I hope this has been of help to you as there is very little information to be easily found on the internet about this chemical. If you would like to know any specifics or have a question please feel free to ask.
 
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Absolutely no comedown whatsoever. Felt a bit tired until I got a shower, just like any other morning. No body discomfort, no headfuck, nothing. Was ready to start drinking at the gig a couple hours after waking up :D
 
I've taken this "up" to 3mg insufflated...lol....how 'bout those heroic doses? But really, I got some threshold effects which seemed to indicate the friendliness of the drug, and I'm looking forward to doing a solid oral dose. Nice report.

BTW Luigi, I've heard spumoni goes good with T21... :)
 
2C-T-2 is definitely quite psychedelic when you take it up higher. I agree that low doses are not particularly so, however (as is the case with many psychedelics).

Try 20-22mg... it's still comfortable mentally, but is also more mind-altering.

Great report!
 
Xorkoth said:
2C-T-2 is definitely quite psychedelic when you take it up higher. I agree that low doses are not particularly so, however (as is the case with many psychedelics).

Try 20-22mg... it's still comfortable mentally, but is also more mind-altering.

Great report!


I was going to take about 20mg or just take the full 30mg but I took the full 30mg of 2cb the day before and I was unprepared for it. I didn't think it would be so intense and I took it with too much confidence with the head fuck aspect. I had heard it was very easy on the head but it was not so for me, The headfuck was just a little bit below mushrooms for me, thats why I went out to get some fresh air and had to keep walking for 5 hours. I was going to write up that trip report first but I still haven't got off my arse to do it..it will be a long one lol
 
^^^^ I can imagine. 16mg of 2C-B had me whacked out, though it must be said I hadn't ingested a PEA in almost 7 years, so the no-tolerance might have been why I was hit so hard.
 
Er, I just realized that my most above from a while back was actually about 2C-T-2, not T-21... I must have been confused. I've not found T-21 to be particularly psychedelic at any dose I've tried it. It's a very nice one though! :)
 
I found 30mg of 2C-T-2 far more than nessessary. It wasn't that the dose was too intense, rather it just didn't really do anything that I could not acheive with 20mg...but there were significantly more side effects. 20mg-24mg should be plenty for most. T2 is no where near as erratic as 2C-T-7.

Don Luigi said:
I was going to take about 20mg or just take the full 30mg but I took the full 30mg of 2cb the day before and I was unprepared for it. I didn't think it would be so intense and I took it with too much confidence with the head fuck aspect. I had heard it was very easy on the head but it was not so for me, The headfuck was just a little bit below mushrooms for me, thats why I went out to get some fresh air and had to keep walking for 5 hours. I was going to write up that trip report first but I still haven't got off my arse to do it..it will be a long one lol
 
i like t21,tried it at 15 mg a few days ago,agree about the lack of visuals but the body high and happy mood lift are pretty fantastic
 
what's the bodyload like? and the pace ... speedy or dreamy? it sounds like you were pretty relaxed. have you tried methylone as a replacement for mdma ... ime it's pretty euphoric around 225mg.
 
I'm getting a little confused at points what drug particular people are talking about at particular points in time. The dosage ranges recommended by Shulgin, which I find to be excellent guidelines, of these two materials out of PIHKAL is:

2C-T-21 dosage range: 8 to 12 mg

2C-T-2 dosage range: 12 to 25 mg

Many Erowid experience reports list:

Methylone dosage range (typical): 100 to 200 mg
 
Thanks for the report.

16 mg 2C-T-21 was nice IMO, but I'd say it's akin to 2C-B minus the visuals. Maybe a slightly more energetic and pleasurable body feeling ... but nothing like MDMA. It has less of the empathogenic effects. It gave me a good experience (great when combined with DMT), but it's not one that I particularly long for.

AET is another that is even more pleasurable, but isn't particularly empathogenic or psychedelic.
 
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colors said:
what's the bodyload like? and the pace ... speedy or dreamy? it sounds like you were pretty relaxed. have you tried methylone as a replacement for mdma ... ime it's pretty euphoric around 225mg.


The body load was basically nil. Actually, it felt like I had some body load taken off from soberness. I felt very light and fluid, a little bit floaty. When sitting down and relaxing, it was quite dreamy and I could have easily drifted off a bit if there weren't so many distractions. But when on the move as I was for most of the night, things felt speedy and socialising felt quite speedy.

Xortkoth: It wasn't very pshychedelic at all. It was 'trippy' but not pshychedelic if you get my drift, that why I compared it more to MDA. Like with the visuals I sometimes get from MDxx substances, these were very static, especially in comparison with conventional pshychedelics where the visuals really flow.

I edited the report because there's some confusion to the substance. If you glance at the thread title, it's hard to see the 1.
 
I don't unfortunatley. I didn't get access to a mirror until T+7.00 when I got to my friends house, but they were dilated then.
 
ok, I have a theory about the reports that say this chemical does NOT dilate your eyes (ie they were underdosing).

oh one more question, would you contemplate increasing the dosage? It doesn't seem like there was anything that would suggest you found it uncomfortable in any sense of the word.

btw great report thanks for it.
 
Yeah I definatley would like to take it again but increase the dosage to say 20-22mg and try a different setting, perhaps alone with just some music and my thoughts. In that kind of setting I could see it becoming a bit of a disasociative.

But as for going out and having a good time with mates, 15mg seemed on the mark.

By the way, can anyone tell me if 2C-T-21 is an MAO inhibitor? I can't seem to find out.
 
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