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15 yr old dies from 1 tablet of ecstacy dealer charged with murder

Zagenth said:
Eh, I call bullshit on alot of this. There's too much of the story that we aren't hearing. 1st degree murder REQUIRES intent or premeditation. Selling someone a pill expecting them to have a good time doesn't fulfill either of those requirements.
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In some jurisdictions, murder committed during the commission of a felony is automatically considered first degree murder. In this case, the death supposedly occurred as a result of the dealer committing a felony (selling MDMA). So the courts might very well make a 1st degree murder charge stick in this case ... especially given the "she was ONLY FIFTEEN" angle.
 
Don't suppose the news report mentioned how many teens died from alcohol poisoning this weekend, or in alcohol related car accidents? Or how many "only 15" year olds are starting their death march down cancer road from cigarette's, either by first or second hand smoke. Did Joe Camel or Captain Morgain get put in jail too?

Did it mention how many died from allergies related to anaesthetitics or other medications?

What killed that poor girl was ignorance. If society was more concerned about helping people and less about pointing fingers, her friends wouldn't have been so scared to take her to the hospital in the first place. Harm reduction could've saved her where the War on Drugs approach is what killed her.
 
Wow, some people in the US are truly ignorant..have u guys gone to the MiamiHerald article link and read some of the comments there? It just makes me wanna pack my bags and go someplace else. This country is going to shit. Full of hypocrites.
What kind of article was that anyways? No info on the pills, its contents, and all they say is "ecstasy" was found in her blood. Yeah, I am sure that when the toxicology reports comes back, it's gonna say "ecstasy" on it. What the hell was that? Learn how to be a true reporter if u r gonna be one and get ur fact straight before releasing some stupid shit like that.
Have u seen the article about a woman who died in australia because she took some PMA pills? If not look at it, it's on pillreports.com and look at the difference in that article and the one from the US. In that one, they dont just say "woman dies after ingesting ecstasy" , they actually tested the pill, proved that contained PMA, and even warned readers about the pill, what it looks like, etc...In here they dont care, the government doesnt care about ur safety. They want people to think the only cause of her death was "ecstasy" so that this government can keep controlling us instead of protrecting us . So that we can keep buying THEIR legal drugs which kill waaay more than "ecstasy". So that people can become totally ignorant and post ridiculous comments like the ones posted on the miami herald article.
 
As a matter of fact most of the news agency here in South Florida are reporting base on the information given to them by the police bulletin or the State Attorney's offices therefore you'll notice not one of the news agency seems to give out futher detail on the death of the girl.
I think that we will know futher as soon as they complete a full investigation on the circumstances before we'll be able to determine what the pill looks like and to be warned not to ingest them.
My personal opinion... I do believe that there is more to this then the story itself. The girl must be on something else... since the other two did not have an adverse reaction.
 
drew345 said:
You know scratching makes me wonder if the pill was maybe a DXM MDMA combo? I know I scratch like crazy on DXM.
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Excellent.

I knew there was something bugging me about the report and couldnt quite put my finger on it.

Yes your right, I have never heard of anyone ever scratching from mdma.........it just doesnt happen...............

So that suggests a few possibilities.

Is it possible that the very small percent of people who are allergic to mdma show as a symptom scratching?

But that would mean that either this was her first time using or the first time she had a pill containing mdma.

It could also mean it wasnt mdma in the pill at all or at least a possible combo...............DXM???? DXM combo????

And yet the report claims the hospital found ecstasy in her blood sample..........thats strange because a report from a hospital would never ever say they found ecstasy..............ecstasy is not a specific drug.

No, any place that did a proper test would always say the specific name ie mdma or meth or whatever.............




More facts are needed before any real knowledge can be gained. Hopefully they are forthcoming.



In the meantime it serves as a warning to people that yes you can die from even one pill.
 
if someone were to have an allergic reaction to mdma, wouldn't that cause them to be itchy? I know its a far reach but still possible in my opinion, its probably unlikely compared to other reasons.
 
delta_9 said:
I think it's terrible that this guy got charged with murder. At what point does personal responsibility factor into this(apparently never) 8) :\. No one forced her to eat the pill and no one forced her to buy it.


Did they do an autopsy on this girl, for all we know the oragne juice or the strawberry milk could've killed her? :\ So I guess they should charge the president of the milk company with murder, right? 8) ;)
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It's unfortunate but in this world someone always has to hang. Look at the Great White concert in Rhode Island several years ago, I believe they wanted to send the manager/owner of the club to jail for the rest of his life when there were so many other factors involved.

Too many factors are unknown in this case. I for one, do not think that she was on a maoi. The reason I think this is that if you are regularly taking an maoi (or even not so regularly) you know that there are TONS of things that can counteract negatively with your medication. It just doesn't seem like a really plausible explanation, I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, but I think it's highly unlikely.

It's possible that she consumed a pill that contained dxm as well as mdma. The truth of the matter is though, we will probably never know. The media isn't going to vocally pronounce that they were wrong, that she didn't actually take "ecstasy" (mdma).

It's sad that things are in the state as they are. All we can do is keep sites such as bluelight up and running so that there is a resource available to help educate people. The media is not interested in exclusively reporting accurate information, they report what sells unfortunately. The government certainly isn't interested in protecting people, if they allowed more research then maybe more people wouldn't get hurt or die, and this isn't exclusive to just people who use mdma.

I think it's extremely sad that this girl passed away, there will never be closure for her family and there are just so many unanswered questions. Regardless of the reason, a 15 year old girl died unexpectedly, that's a hard thing to swallow. If fellow drug users can't have compassion for that situation then I'm really not sure what to think. No one was born with all of the answers, we are all here to learn, every single one of us. These are some dangerous times that we live in.
 
^I kinda doubt there was enough room in a pressed pill to kill someone with a dxm + mdma combo. The average pressed pill is ~250mg-300mg(thank you, Erowid ;)). Not only do both those drugs take up space(likely at least 100mg each), the binders/fillers also take up space. And I somehow doubt such low doses of both drugs would be enough to kill someone, but I could be wrong of course.
Just my opinion.
purplefirefly said:
It's sad that things are in the state as they are. All we can do is keep sites such as bluelight up and running so that there is a resource available to help educate people. The media is not interested in exclusively reporting accurate information, they report what sells unfortunately. The government certainly isn't interested in protecting people, if they allowed more research then maybe more people wouldn't get hurt or die, and this isn't exclusive to just people who use mdma.
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However, I wholeheartedly agree with you here, pff.
 
delta_9 said:
^I kinda doubt there was enough room in a pressed pill to kill someone with a dxm + mdma combo. The average pressed pill is ~250mg-300mg(thank you, Erowid ;)). Not only do both those drugs take up space(likely at least 100mg each), the binders/fillers also take up space. And I somehow doubt such low doses of both drugs would be enough to kill someone, but I could be wrong of course.
Just my opinion.
However, I wholeheartedly agree with you here, pff.
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I thought the dxm theory held a little more weight than did the maoi theory, that's all I was mentioning. I do completely see your point though.

But again, we will never know for sure. :\
 
How in he hell can this happen to that girl. There must of been somthin in the pill other than mdma. The only way I know of that you can die off of X is Dehydration and overdose. Am I wrong?
Forgive my ignorance.:\
 
Ginger Jack said:
How in he hell can this happen to that girl. There must of been somthin in the pill other than mdma. The only way I know of that you can die off of X is Dehydration and overdose. Am I wrong?
Forgive my ignorance.:\
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It's hard to say for sure, the research hasn't been done.

From thedea.org

ADVERSE EVENTS: For a drug that is of uncontrolled purity and strength and comes with no medical advice or warnings for the user, death from MDMA is rare–less than a hundred deaths a year in the US have MDMA present, and only a handfull involved only MDMA.[39] "MDMA-present" drug deaths occur at a rate of aproximately 2-3 users per 100,000 users/year. (By way of contrast, cigarettes have a US death rate on the order of 400 deaths per 100,000 users/year, making the Marlboro Man hundreds of times more likely to kill his customers than the local ecstasy dealer.) Emergency department visits related to drugs that were sold as "ecstasy" occurred at a rate of approximately 1 per 600 users (5,542 total cases) in 2001. (Visit Statistics for additional figures and charts.) [40] Most cases also involve other drugs, usually alcohol[40], and present only minor symptoms.[41] Both numbers could no doubt be reduced further with honest education of drug users regarding safe use instead of the 'abstinence only' approach demanded by prohibitionists (a debate strikingly similar to the sex education debates that set the teaching of disease and pregnancy prevention methods against abstinance-only messages.) Deaths in the absence of aggravating factors (simple overdose) are all but unheard of. The LD50 of MDMA ranges from about 100-300 mg/kg in assorted rodents.[42] The single-dose LD50 in humans can only be guessed at, but may be on the order of 10-20 mg/kg (oral.) One recent press report claims a ten year-old girl died after taking at least five 'ecstasy' tablets. Assuming the girl weighed about 40 kg (88 pounds) and the pills contained about 70 mg of MDMA each (and no other drugs), she died from a dose of roughly 9 mg/kg.
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stonedsublime said:
Did this go to national news yet? I havent seen it in any other florida news circuits.
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Not really. I've search for it on cnn.com, msnbc.com etc... only the local South Florida news station are reporting the arrest and the death of the girl.

I hope there will be more updates to the detailed cause of the investigation within the coming days.
 
I don't think its imposible that she died from a single pill of MDMA. Hell I know a bunch of people who would die from a single peanut. Ok that might not be the best example but there is that 0.00x% who react badly to MDMA and 15 years old is young. Ecstasy can cause hyperthermia, people get dehydrated, become physically tired. This could be way to much for some people's systems.

Maybe being young, weak, small and ignorant all worked against this poor girl and as unlikely as it is, she died of ecstasy?

People have bad (sometimes fatal) reactions to substances everyday. Look at alcohol! or even at my peanut allergy example. This is why drugs/alcohol are meant for adults only, and why kids aren't allowed to eat PBJ's at school (anymore! but don't get me started on that one)
 
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