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15 yr old dies from 1 tablet of ecstacy dealer charged with murder

thedreamer said:
I feel horrible for the girls though. imo under no circumstances should anyone under 18 be dropping MDMA, they don't know the adverse side effects.
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I feel the same way, I know lots of people under the age of 18 that drop and when I talk about what it actually does to your body its all greek to them so they don't care.
 
Murder MIGHT be too strong of a charge, but in todays environment even a remedial prosecutor could make it stick. Manslaughter would have been more reasonable. While I do think we all must be held accountable for our own actions, I do think that a large weight falls on the dealer at this point. He is an adult, he is far more likely to know the danger the situation is posing than the 15 year old girl. She was stupid. He was knowingly reckless.
Even though it does not sound like MDMA reaction, I doubt their will even be tests for anything else if so much as a trace of X is found in her system. MDMA is the the modern day boogie man, it is the headline drug. This is a court of law, so The Truth is not nearly as important as the perception of the truth.
 
Eeeek....:(

Thats pretty fucked up...I also dont agree with the story...something seems too fishy. Too many unanswered questions remain like the fact that he admitted to selling the girls drugs out of guilt. I find that very hard to believe. The girls were extremely young and probably didnt have much experience dealing with the unintended situation. Just because she had taken MDMA doesnt mean that was the sole cause of her death. They should seriously consider looking deeper into this case because something is up. This kinda thing also makes me nervous about buying pills from strangers also.
 
So the head of smirnof will get charged with murder when I drink 3 40s of vodka?

this is bullshit indeed!
I only wonder what was actually in the pill
'she tested positive for ecstasy' is a pretty dumb thing to say
 
thedreamer said:
It's not as if she od'd off 60 pills, she was just trying E for the first time.
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Please show me where it said this was the first time she took ecstasy. We all know thats the bullshit that will spew out of her friends and family's mouths, but no where in that article does it say that. I watched it on the local news first (I'm in the area) and they did not report that either. And about her being on any other medication (ex: MAOI), we'll never know that. That will never be reported. Ecstasy (whatever that is) will take full blame for this girl's death.
 
MazDan said:
Its possible she was using an MAOI or MAOA and had recently taken her medication.

There are a heap of questions such as had she used before etc that we will never know the answers to.

Unfortubnately these things happen and it should serve as a warning to everyone to always test your pills and also to take every precaution possible.
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If thats not the case, I would be willing to bet she was CYP2D6 deffecient, seems to be a possible cause for low dose mdma related deaths.
 
2oclockbeanfiend.2 said:
Please show me where it said this was the first time she took ecstasy. We all know thats the bullshit that will spew out of her friends and family's mouths, but no where in that article does it say that. I watched it on the local news first (I'm in the area) and they did not report that either. And about her being on any other medication (ex: MAOI), we'll never know that. That will never be reported. Ecstasy (whatever that is) will take full blame for this girl's death.
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Okay, fine we don't know if it's the first time she took ecstasy. As for the possibility of using a MAOI, wouldnt she feel shitty enough to know not take it again if she WERE on an MAOI and it wasn't a first time use? there for its improbable that she were on a MAOI and took ecstasy twice. I'm not defending the article at all, in fact I believe it was poorly written and did not specify any definative facts.

Given the testimony of the drug dealer and the facts at hand I think it's safe to conclude however, that these girls were not at all experienced (afterall they were "rolling" off one and 15 y/o.) And it's sad that this death will be attributed to ecstasy use, but the point is I really don't think the girl deserves as much shit as she is getting.
 
^ This was in south Florida, my friend. Everyone was using ecstasy at that age when I was in high school. I don't think her age implies at all that she was any less experienced than the rest of us. And she's inexperienced because she was rolling off only one? My friend, who is 27 years old and has been rolling for over 10 years, was rolling NUTS off 1 pill the other night. Red transformer http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=5494166&postcount=1042
 
Just because you are using does not imply experience, and yes certain pills are stronger than others, but rolling more than once tends to increase your tolerance. In any case, if she had been "experienced" she would have had a reliable dealer and would have avoided these side effects in the first place. I don't understand how any prior assumptions made on this forum could have happened to someone who had dropped more than once. I'm pretty sure that if you don't die off one bean the first time you roll, then you wont die off one the second time. So then whats left?

The pill was either adulterated, or the girl was inexperienced as I suspect, in either case, it sucks that Ecstasy will garner negative press. It also sucks that the girl suffered such a horrible fate. I don't really understand the need of some of you guys to completely degrade the girl, and her family, saying they are spewing BS, or that the girl was a complete dumbass. I can understand your anger towards the bad relations that will result from this article, but on the other hand I can't blame the girl for what happened. It was a freak occurrence.
 
^ It's because of past occurances that I assume this girl's family and friends will say it was her first time, whether it was or not. She was 15, her friends will try and hide the fact that she had been using before, if in fact she had. And as far as her parents go, they will either say they know she was not a drug user and that it was her first time or deny knowing anything about her use. No parent wants to admit their 15 year old died as a result of drug use. I'm not hating on the girl. It is sad that a human life was lost. But something was left out of this story. I'm not hating on the girl, I'm hating on the lack of information and the FACT that this will make ECSTASY look even worse than it already does to the general public. MDMA is my favorite substance in the world and I have used it on over 60 occasions, totaling over 300 pills. MDMA does NOT kill people. If she was taking an MAOI: fine. If she was taking DXM: fine. But dont tell me a 15 year old girl died because she ate ONE ecstasy pill, especially when its implied that 3 or 4 of her friends ate the same pill.

As far as that one friend who gave up the dealer's number, she can go fuck herself. That dude did not kill her friend. Some chemical she willingly bought and she willinly ingested played a part in her death. The drug game is a dirty game. You win some, you lose some. In this case a life was lost. I can't say that I know how her family and friends feel, but it was a chance she took. In Vegas I bought 2 bunk pills from some dude out there. I lost $30 or $40. I'm sure as hell happy I just got some bunk pills instead of pills that contained dangerous adulterants in them, but I lost nonetheless. This is the biggest reason MDMA needs to be legalized. No impurities, no adulturants, just what you paid for: ecstasy. A sad day for family and friends and a sad day for the drug community as a whole, for both the same and different reasons.
 
This is reminiscent of the Leah Betts death in britain many years ago. It was at the height of the rave culture when she died after taking some pills. It was said this was her "frist pill" also. It spawned the "Sorted" anti-ecstasy campaign that showed her hooked up to a breathing tube in the hospital. They posted it on billboards everywhere around the UK

Later it was found out she was a frequent user of ecstasy and it was discovered that water intoxication not using ecstasy, was the cause of her death. She drank 7 litres of water in an hour. Causing hyponatremia/water intoxication.

Never the less, both deaths Leah Betts and this recent ones are horribley tragic. My prayers go out to the families.

The culture takes a bump with his one too. It'll be interesting to see what the news outlets are gonna be putting out the next couple days and if it will break any national news time? Here comes a 60 minutes or Geraldo piece on pill popping..
 
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There's been some good stuff said on this thread, but also some unhelpful rants. It seems to me that a bit of patience is required, at least until some more facts emerge. I realise that there is a good chance that this won't happen, as it has been pointed out that E is a "bete noir" of the moment, but presumptions don't help. E.g.
2oclockbeanfiend.2 said:
..... But dont tell me a 15 year old girl died because she ate ONE ecstasy pill, especially when its implied that 3 or 4 of her friends ate the same pill.
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We don't know that the dealer gave out pills which were all the same. It's not uncommon (at least here in UK) for someone to give you a few pills which have a number of different logos on (i.e. different pills). Some dealers I know don't even bother to look at what the logos are, and the folks taking them don't bother to look either. The sort of people I'm talking about from experience are all in there 40's, so we shouldn't go bad-mouthing young people as if they are the only careless ones. I have a testing kit, and I am a rarity. Nobody else I know has one. WTF. This is just a sad story that will get sadder as the authorities trash the scene causing "colateral damage".
 
i think the autopsy will tell us more about the cause of her death... Also, I'm not living in the Miami area but it could be a good thing if the dealer or the friends of the girl would say what was the pill looking like, just for the safety of rollers in Miami. By the way, maybe it was just a too highly dosed PMA pill that killed, but still autopsy will help in this case...

makes me wanna have a test kit...
 
The girl HAD TO have been on something else. How many people have gotten beans with their friends, and then only ONE PERSON drops?? Her "friends" obviously were rolling (hence the stupid strawberry milk thing) and nothing happened to them. And the fact that she said, "I wish I could kill this roll", proves that it was not her first time. I can't imagine a first timer uttering those words. It's a very, very sad story. I have a 14 yr. old son, and totally feel for her mother. I hope a lot of young people hear this story and don't do stupid shit like mixing drugs, or drugs with alcohol.
 
yea, that happend around my way.

Infact, the newsreport showed a place quite popular to ecstasy.

my guess is as good as yours. im almost positive the dealer nor the girl and her friends tested the pill. So I see it almost as a lesson. the two things I see wrong is that she was SO young but she's out driving to south beach with a buch of "immature" bean-heads. She mentioned "killing my roll" that's probably something they(cops) forced out of one of the other kids. who knows, maybe this 15 year old girl has rolled a couple times before this. where does most important part come into play? the parents. you better believe my 15 year old daughter will be telling me she's going "out" to take some ecstasy.. hopefully, she doesn't at 15 but who knows? the new generation has ALL this information at their fingertips. it's almost scary to me.

15 is way to young to be taking E.

i mean, call me a hypocrite.. i have, bought a pill, without testing it and also took it on the way to the exact same place she was.
who knows what pill she took? they mention scracthing? i've seen people scratch but on bad pills..
what keeps coming to mind was that she was 15????
she must have been with really younger kids. I wouldn't roll with someone under 17.

what i want to know is how they found these kids after this girl was left at the hospital.
that's where it seems fishy. lemme guess, "traffic" all over. that seems like a spin to make the whole thing look better(or worse???).

if i was with someone that went out on me and i was rolling, i'd stay with them, and still not tell the cops where i got the pill..
at 15????
you have to be young to just leave the girl, get caught, and tell the cops where you got the beans.

all i can do is know that it wasn't my fault. i tested my pills before giving them to anyone.
 
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You know scratching makes me wonder if the pill was maybe a DXM MDMA combo? I know I scratch like crazy on DXM. I was rolling when I was 15 and if something went wrong I could prolly count on being dumped into a trash can I was chillin with shady self centerd teenagers. I dont blame the girl I blame the culture the media and the goverment. If they taught harm reduction in school maybe she would have known about drug interactions or her friends would have sought help instead of pouring milk down her throat.
 
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