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Opioids 14-methoxymetopon

This isn't a phenazepam waiting to happen. This is a line of people ready to die waiting to happen. As many have mentioned, if you don't die from an overdose, and it becomes unavailiable, I belive we may actually see our first cases of opiate withdrawal deaths.
 
Who says it's even euphoric? Fent is 50-100x more potent than morphine but id take morphine over it anyday, there is literally no euphoria. Why risk death with this drug? Why not stick to tried and true euphoric opiates?
 
Who says it's even euphoric? Fent is 50-100x more potent than morphine but id take morphine over it anyday, there is literally no euphoria. Why risk death with this drug? Why not stick to tried and true euphoric opiates?

On that logic who said it isn't euphoric?..........

Only came across Fentanyl once before & I was not a fan tbh.
well it's out there now hence why I posted so I guess there is going to be alot more people asking about it from now on.

There has to be some way to make it safe & as Heroin is my top drug any form of it I will look into & try given a chance, I have read of people mixing Heroin in water then putting the water up there nose before on BL, would that be possible?...........
I ONLY ask this as I know this place is for harm reduction & I am quite set about trying this chemical with full knowledge of what I am going into & want to go about it in the most "safe" way I can.
 
From the other thread that the OP linked:

sekio said:
This thread isn't ADD material.

Nobody dumb enought to mishandle this would have it. It's a bloody poppy derivative alkaloid not some synthetic, so that means anyone who's not in it for research would be making heroin anyway. Aldrich isn't gonna sell it to just anyone. It's not availiable anywhere but the furthest reaches of the black market.

This thread rivals someone posting about ohmefentanyl or something. Yes, it's a strong opiate, and yes it can kill you, yes you should avoid it, but what more can really be said? I don't like "Let's discuss a wikipedia article".

If that's true (and the Wikipedia article says it's an opiate analogue, not an opioid anologue, so it seems like it is) then the vendor probably doesn't have this and they're selling you something else, meaning there's no way to safely do this because you won't even know what drug you'll have.
 
As long as you don't discuss sources. I can kind of tell you are interested in getting some of this stuff. I advise you to put that idea out of your head.

It's super unlikely any vendors sell this. It's an opium-derived semi synthetic drug, you need opiate alkaloids as feedstock to make it. So the only people who have it for sale are going to either be serious research firms (Sigma Aldrich) or people selling fake shit. The amount of effort to synthesize metopon, and the requirement that opium be involved anyway, usually makes heroin the most cost effective drug to sell. (Fentanyls were hot on the "RC" scene because they are relatively easy syntheses compared to the bastard of a synth that morphine alkaloids need).

If the vendor selling purported 14-MeO-Metopon is the one I think it is, they are of incredibly poor reputation, and cannot even manage to get something as simple as MDAI right. I will bet you my front teeth that whatever they sell isn't metopon.
http://eprints.lincoln.ac.uk/3956/2/Analysis_of__Legal_Highs_-_Accepted_Version.pdf

here, "benzo fury", "MDAI", "5-IAI" and "NRG3" from this vendor were analyzed. in none of the four cases the claimed active ingredient could be actually found. instead, the samples turned out to consist mainly of caffeine, BZP, TFMPP and several other undisclosed compounds.

Not good!


Anyway, because this is a poppy alkaloid derivative, it is Schedule I in the US and Canada, and probably Class A in the UK. Opioid analogues are pretty much all illegal. The analogue act will get you bad here.

Assuming what you buy is metopon is not enough, you should get some analyses done by somene with a NMR or GC-MS. Do not rely on color-change reagents. Do not just dive right in and eat it as soon as it arrives. With compounds thispotent you should be 100% sure of what you have before continuing any further. If you buy something that is not 14-methoxymetopon, or it's a complex mix, throw the shit out.

14-methoxy-metopon closely resembles oxymorphone (and hydromorphone) in terms of structure. It's likely the bioavailibility will be really low by every route but IV/IM. You need to seriously be fucking careful with this stuff. Assuming it's 500x morphine, 20 micrograms (0.02mg) will equal 10mg of morphine in effect. You MUST have a sub-milligram scale to use it safely. And it needs to be accurate & calibrated. And you need to work with gloves and a dust mask, away from drafts and breezes. I would also keep a buddy who has a shot of Narcan around, just to make sure you can return to the land of the living...

Speaking of shots, the possibility of varying bioavailibility means that unfortunately you will likely have to IM your shots if you want to have any chance of having a reproducible dose. Overdose is not something you want.

The other caveat is since it is so potent, if you buy even 50mg or something like that, it's more than enough to get into a bad habit of using it regularly. But when that shit runs out Immodium is not going to save you. You will be in intense agony during w/d's if you allow your dose to escalate.

The risks of storing and handling metopon, and the fact that anything more than 1mg is enough to develop a serious opioid habit with, make it a bad choice as an opioid drug.
 
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As long as you don't discuss sources. I can kind of tell you are interested in getting some of this stuff. I advise you to put that idea out of your head.

It's super unlikely any vendors sell this. It's an opium-derived semi synthetic drug, you need opiate alkaloids as feedstock to make it. So the only people who have it for sale are going to either be serious research firms (Sigma Aldrich) or people selling fake shit. The amount of effort to synthesize metopon, and the requirement that opium be involved anyway, usually makes heroin the most cost effective drug to sell. (Fentanyls were hot on the "RC" scene because they are relatively easy syntheses compared to the bastard of a synth that morphine alkaloids need).

If the vendor selling purported 14-MeO-Metopon is the one I think it is, they are of incredibly poor reputation, and cannot even manage to get something as simple as MDAI right. I will bet you my front teeth that whatever they sell isn't metopon.


Not good!


Anyway, because this is a poppy alkaloid derivative, it is Schedule I in the US and Canada, and probably Class A in the UK. Opioid analogues are pretty much all illegal. The analogue act will get you bad here.

Assuming what you buy is metopon is not enough, you should get some analyses done by somene with a NMR or GC-MS. Do not rely on color-change reagents. Do not just dive right in and eat it as soon as it arrives. With compounds thispotent you should be 100% sure of what you have before continuing any further. If you buy something that is not 14-methoxymetopon, or it's a complex mix, throw the shit out.

14-methoxy-metopon closely resembles oxymorphone (and hydromorphone) in terms of structure. It's likely the bioavailibility will be really low by every route but IV/IM. You need to seriously be fucking careful with this stuff. Assuming it's 500x morphine, 20 micrograms (0.02mg) will equal 10mg of morphine in effect. You MUST have a sub-milligram scale to use it safely. And it needs to be accurate & calibrated. And you need to work with gloves and a dust mask, away from drafts and breezes. I would also keep a buddy who has a shot of Narcan around, just to make sure you can return to the land of the living...

Speaking of shots, the possibility of varying bioavailibility means that unfortunately you will likely have to IM your shots if you want to have any chance of having a reproducible dose. Overdose is not something you want.

The other caveat is since it is so potent, if you buy even 50mg or something like that, it's more than enough to get into a bad habit of using it regularly. But when that shit runs out Immodium is not going to save you. You will be in intense agony during w/d's if you allow your dose to escalate.

The risks of storing and handling metopon, and the fact that anything more than 1mg is enough to develop a serious opioid habit with, make it a bad choice as an opioid drug.

So you're saying it'll get you fucked up?
 
The other caveat is since it is so potent, if you buy even 50mg or something like that, it's more than enough to get into a bad habit of using it regularly. But when that shit runs out Immodium is not going to save you

=D=D=D

I can only imagine how bad that would be & that throught had crossed my mind for several hours tonight.
 
So you're saying it'll get you fucked up?

If "getting fucked up" is your concern you had best find a better drug because most people would kill themselves without a second thought if they treated it like heroin.

If this vendor actually sold 14-meo-metopon, which they don't, it would be a public health hazard rather than a recreational drug, a la pure "raw" powder ohmefentanyl/carfentanyl
 
If such a chemical is available, the vendor shoild be charged with distribution of Sch1/Class A substances at worst, and supplying chemical weapons if justice is to be had.
This chem is death in a baggie.
 
nah u would die this would b used to like tranq a rhino or dinosaur
just found this while looking around here the little bit of info there is on it

14-Methoxymetopon is an opiate analogue that is a derivative of metopon which has been substituted with amethoxy group at the 14-position. It is a highly potent analgesic drug that is around 500x stronger than morphinewhen administered systemically; however, when given spinally or supraspinally, it exhibits analgesic activity up to a million fold greater than morphine. It binds strongly to the μ-opioid receptor and activates it to a greater extent than most similar opioid chemicals. This produces an unusual pharmacological profile, and although 14-methoxymetopon acts as a potent μ-opioid full agonist in regards to some effects such as analgesia, a ceiling effect is seen on other effects such as constipation and respiratory depression.

just wondering if any one has tried this yet ?
 
14-methoxymorphine is 1/2 the potency of 14-methoxymetopon i.e. about 260x M.... but that's animal studies and every 'super potent' opioid has turned out to be much less potent in man than in mice - I blame the Straub test being used as the test (because it isn't AS cruel.

Before anyone thinks of making 14-methoxymetopon - DON'T. It might only be 1 step from oxymorphone but I read the patent. Metal hydrides need real chemists.... and it's still illegal... and you will likely die or at least get a habit that NO amount of methadone will handle and your screwed.
 
What is the issue here? This is meant to be a harm reduction posting area. Just telling people 'not to do' xxxx is proven not to work, hence why these types of sites were set up.

Unfortunately I don't have any experience or relevant information to add to this thread. I just wanted to ask people to stop being judgemental because if the OP's curiosity to know more. Education is key to making EDUCATED choices.

If a substance is 500x stronger then you get very accurate scales and take far less of it. I doubt there is an opiate tolerance in the world that methadone couldn't take care of. You just take a far higher dose. I am not recommending that you just get into opiates because methadone will 'take care of it'. However, if someone is already hooked on opiates and starts looking into alternative opiates/opiods then these sorts of questions will arise. If you have no tolerance to opiates then I am never going to tell anyone not to start on the one in question but will say its a very very foolish idea to. Personally I would stay away from opiates altogether if you don't already have a habit as there are far more interesting and less habit forming substances such as DMT etc.

Keep safe everyone and don't stop asking questions! It's the key to learning and making informed decisions (even if they turn out to be stupid ones). No one is going to help anyone by just telling them not to do something. It's the whole reason people are dying all over from OD's etc. Prohibition does not achieve anything but the damage it is supposed to be preventing.
 
As long as you don't discuss sources. I can kind of tell you are interested in getting some of this stuff. I advise you to put that idea out of your head.

It's super unlikely any vendors sell this. It's an opium-derived semi synthetic drug, you need opiate alkaloids as feedstock to make it. So the only people who have it for sale are going to either be serious research firms (Sigma Aldrich) or people selling fake shit. The amount of effort to synthesize metopon, and the requirement that opium be involved anyway, usually makes heroin the most cost effective drug to sell. (Fentanyls were hot on the "RC" scene because they are relatively easy syntheses compared to the bastard of a synth that morphine alkaloids need).

If the vendor selling purported 14-MeO-Metopon is the one I think it is, they are of incredibly poor reputation, and cannot even manage to get something as simple as MDAI right. I will bet you my front teeth that whatever they sell isn't metopon.


Not good!


Anyway, because this is a poppy alkaloid derivative, it is Schedule I in the US and Canada, and probably Class A in the UK. Opioid analogues are pretty much all illegal. The analogue act will get you bad here.

Assuming what you buy is metopon is not enough, you should get some analyses done by somene with a NMR or GC-MS. Do not rely on color-change reagents. Do not just dive right in and eat it as soon as it arrives. With compounds thispotent you should be 100% sure of what you have before continuing any further. If you buy something that is not 14-methoxymetopon, or it's a complex mix, throw the shit out.

14-methoxy-metopon closely resembles oxymorphone (and hydromorphone) in terms of structure. It's likely the bioavailibility will be really low by every route but IV/IM. You need to seriously be fucking careful with this stuff. Assuming it's 500x morphine, 20 micrograms (0.02mg) will equal 10mg of morphine in effect. You MUST have a sub-milligram scale to use it safely. And it needs to be accurate & calibrated. And you need to work with gloves and a dust mask, away from drafts and breezes. I would also keep a buddy who has a shot of Narcan around, just to make sure you can return to the land of the living...

Speaking of shots, the possibility of varying bioavailibility means that unfortunately you will likely have to IM your shots if you want to have any chance of having a reproducible dose. Overdose is not something you want.

The other caveat is since it is so potent, if you buy even 50mg or something like that, it's more than enough to get into a bad habit of using it regularly. But when that shit runs out Immodium is not going to save you. You will be in intense agony during w/d's if you allow your dose to escalate.

The risks of storing and handling metopon, and the fact that anything more than 1mg is enough to develop a serious opioid habit with, make it a bad choice as an opioid drug.

Probably the most worthwhile post here. Well done for adding some useful information plus some actual harm reduction information instead of a post full of judgement.
 
i think the thread title should be suffixed 'narcoterrorism'.
this is not a recreational drug, this is death incarnate.
 
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