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10th Issue Heroin Discussion v. Racist Dogs, Dog

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I need a solid 5 days to pass a piss test for opiates. Chinky, you know that a lot of them test for buprenorphine now, right? Most of the simpler dipstick tests don't, but themore complex ones do, and if it's sent to a lab they do too. The subs don't make you test positive for opiates on the basic dipsticks, but like I said they can definitely test for it in the more complex ones or by lab testing it. My friend on probation gets tested for bupe, but he is in treatment court so they are pretty strict with testing for a lot of different drugs.
 
well the time i got dropped i took 3full days off and like 14 for weed and tested fine

im not really trippin too hard like i said i think he would tell me, like the time i went in he wrote on my sheet "drop on (next visit)" as a reminder to himself and he didnt do that this last time...thy way he is its like hes not out to fuck us, as long as you show up and give somemoney then your good..my meeting is at 9pm and im normally the first one in and im out of there by 9:05...its not like he asks a bunch of questions or anything really
 
im so glad i dont get piss tested *knock on wood*

and it's so nice to have a solid nod going for once. that's the plus side to slowing the opiate roll....lower tolerance.

50mg benedryl, 120mg dxm, 5mg hydrocodone, i snorted that op40 just now, i ate 2 mangos an hour ago while im about to smoke a nice bowl through my favorite bubbler of that sour strawberry. my way of ending my winter break before class on wednesday. damnit.
 
I'm still on break from getting high. I think that I will use again in 10 days since a friend gets his oxy script around that time.
 
State of pennsylvania tested for a fair amount of drugs... You just pissed in a cup then left...not sure if they did the testing in house or what. The prob. officer assigned to you would decide what to do if you came up positive. You can actually google SASSI drug testing state of pa and go to their site and they actually give a list of all the different drugs this company can test for...there is a decent amount of shit they test for maybe 15 drugs/groups if I remember correctly SASSI is the company they hired to take the urine samples and do the testing in house. Now your counselor will never tell you what drugs your getting tested for.. they may be testing you for a lot or just a few depending on your offence.. this was up to the prob. officer. The 1st thing I failed for was buprenorphine. They wanted a script..luckily I am on a bupe program...so I had to start bringing my bottle every month and theyd chuck it on the copy machine.

I am sure this isn't Chinky's first drug test on probation and he knows what hes doing. I would be a little worried about the weed you smoked personally..but you'll be straight on the dope if you did it sunday and you test wednesday with that small amount IMO. I've both passed and failed when I only waited 3-4 days on dope.. but I never just did a little bump..so I think you'll pass.

Every state is different anyway. In NJ I have heard mixed shit...One dude on probation for weed would get called in and they would do a mouth swab or rarely a urine test.. they only tested for like the 4 main drugs weeed dope coke amps...it was his actual probation officer administering the test to like all his probates at once..so it might have been up to his discretion to decide what type of test to use on what type of people. He was still worried about risking it with other drugs even though he did once or twice. I would have been too.. I probably could have gotten away with a lot more in PA like mephedrone..but I was worried about amps, and I was scripted Temazepam so I always wondered if I could get away with taking xanax.. lke if they did a gsmc right off the bat (unlikely) or just a panel dip.

It is wonderful being a free man now except for debt to pay fines and shit lol.
 
I am really torn.. I dunno what to do. On one hand I get paid tomorrow morning..and getting high is always sweet..but on the real every time I use after my 2 or 3 day run I always tell my self that I am so tired of this cycle of feeling good then bad then ok good bad ok... 'i'm not doin this anymore' and all that bullshit...

On a good month i'll make it like 3-4 weeks without using..and I feel better overall from when I wake up to go to sleep. As opposed to having those ups and downs related physically and mentally to using dope. On a bad month I use every week. Lately I end up using 2 days a week because that's all I can afford unless I wanna neglect bills rent and savings you know.

I just know I can't do this shit forever.. but I never feel 'ready' to delete those #'s and actually quit. I am already thinking about copping tomorrow going to brooklyn and getthign those fire skulls...
 
^ It's a tough call man. Your tolerance still seems kinda high if I remember your dope doses correctly, which is why I think it effects you so much even though you only use for a few days. I bet if you get down to 4mgs of suboxone, you will get more out of the dope when you choose to use, and you would probably need less to get high as well. I know you came off of done, otherwise I would say to do even less suboxone, but that might be too much of a drop, too soon. The bupe has to be blocking the dope to an extent, even if you are still able to get high, but your probably wasting some of it.
 
And yeah the bupe def is blocking a bit because usually i'll take 2mg at like 8am the morning of the 1st day I use, then 12 hours later I am doing dope. THe day before that I was on my 6mg daily dose. I swear to god that my 1st shot back, even if I took up to 6mg bupe that day, is ALWAYS the best. But there's def some blockage. My friend says instead of going off bupe when I use to just stay taking 1mg every morning before you use..but I am afraid that after my 1s night back of using dope and I really load up that 1mg will send me into PWs or something, so I NEVER end up doing that. He thinks itd make my transition back a few days later much easier.

But yeah tommyboy, you are right about my tolerance I guess. Like I used to do larger shots and now I trick my self thinking my tolerance is lower now because I can feel single bag shots nicely.. but I still end up doing a decent amount becuase I shoot mor efrequently. It depends.. but generally i'll average 10 bags a day. Like I said I often only use 2 days at a time so sometimes in my head I am like ok I am gonna have a blowout and buy a lot mor dope.. someitmes I conserve to keep it going but that makes my transition even worse..so i'll end up doing bigger shots and using 15 or 20 bags in a day. But honestly generally speaking I keep my habit to a bun a day when I do use a lot more often than I don't. When I was on done my tolerance was sky high.. but I didn't use much. It's just that shit stuck with me becuase I never really detoxed you knw..just switched to bupe.

So i'll use for 2-3 days, then I take 24-36 hours with nothing,then go back to my 6mg bupe. If I got my bupe down to 4mg, which honestly i could easily do in 2 weeks time, i'd be in a much better spot like you said. In reality I should just stick with my 6mg for a few more days then make the drop, wait till I level out totally before using.

And yeah dude beleive me I would not be on a dose this high of bupe for my sized habit.. but I was on 80mg methadone for a long time and I switched over to bupe...everyone knows it's not the 'easiest' transition...and I ended up leveling out at 12mg. If I toughed it out I prob could hvae done it with less but I kept that 12mg dose for too long before tapering down.

Honestly before I was on done I was on like 2 or 3mg bupe daily and I felt a lot better than I do now on 6mg daily. YOu get a lot more side effects the higher your dose is. When you successfully lower it and give your self time to fully adjust it does benefit you.. it's just you have to not use lol
 
Yea man, the whole "less is more" thing with bupe is a lot easier done when you start taking it with a very small habit, as opposed to lowering down to it. It seems like taking 6mgs isn't letting you tolerance drop much. Shooting a bun a day is still a lot, and considering that you only use 2 days a week, I'm surprised your tolerance isn't even lower than that, but you can attribute that to being on done for a while and switching to bupe without having any time with no opiates.

I was just saying another thread about tolerance, that it took me a month or so to be able to get a nice high after I had been on bupe for over a year. It took like 3 months for my tolerance to really get back down. Having in opiate in your system all day errday from being on methadone or bupe will really fuck with your tolerance, and keep it high for a long time, even after stopping it altogether.
 
GC/MS cannot tell the difference between benzos, my old methadone clinic would always send our results by a GC/MS just to make sure we weren't using anything.
 
Really? Because like different benzos produce different metabolites... so why can't they differentiate? Between like Alprazolam and Temazepam if they metabolize into different substances?
The clinic I went to sent our samples out too. I had an rx for Valium but took Xanax sometimes and the lab paper would just say benzodiazepine. It is probly cheaper to just do a general check than to pinpoint which specific one it is. My counselor held my take homes from me till I quit the Valium. Even though it was rx'ed to me. Fuck them clinics and there draconian rules.
 
^ I ended up taking 4mgs of suboxone. I wasn't sick or nothing, but my neighbor had a few left and was trying to get some blues so needed the cash. Now I'm really going to be able to make it until whenever that oxy script comes through for my friend.
 
Really? Because like different benzos produce different metabolites... so why can't they differentiate? Between like Alprazolam and Temazepam if they metabolize into different substances?

In my experience, you would have nothing to worry about by taking multiple benzos. I had a script of Klonopin but took temazepam and Xanax and nothing ever came back from the lab. I'm not exactly sure why, maybe because structurally, benzos are so closely related. Perhaps in the very near future labs will start differentiating between benzos but just not now.
 
god i cant wait til tomorrow

im not sick or anything and not like craving it too bad cause i took the sub yesterday

i just want to get fuckin high
 
Well I caved.. went to BK to get some fire and suceeded. Then I went back to BK to get coke my dealer owed me. Dude I am psyched...last week I went to get a g of coke and his brother gave me a bag of like baking soda or some shit..totally fake. So he was like yo come back through ill give you 2 g's,.. and he gave me 2.5 g's and this shits good.. 100mg gave me a nice bellringer yo.

Damn it was so long since I did a solid speed ball. All I gotto say is these pink panthers combine beautifully with the coke. Shit mixes up like 100% translucent icedtea. The coke doesn;t change the color of the shot really.
 
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Recky, Once you make that call, it intensifies the cravings so much. There's times when I'm barely craving dope, but for whatever reason I make the call for dope, and just like that I go from barely any craving, to 'let me get some dope in me right now!' It's like once I make that call, my mind becomes a one-way train to nodland, and it's the express train.
 
Wow holy shitttt I forgot how different the rush from coke is versus heroin. Holy crap yo crazy bellringer with 150mg shot. I guess the is low quality cuase thats a lot I think..but fuck it I got it cheap as fuck.

Dude that rsh hits you like a freight train like I HAD to lay down. The sound was like I took a nitrous oxide. Total body euphoria heaven. But it goes away quick LOL. Honestly coke SUCKS if you don't have dope..then you gotto deal with anxiety and come downs and crap. I would never ever do coke wtihout dope. What about you guys?

The only thing I dont like about coke is like you wanna get that ultimate bell ringer but then your kinda pushing it like a heart attack or some shit you know what i mean?
 
I know this feeling. That's what happened to me last night. I hadn't used in well over a week, got past my little bit of sickness, and wasn't super craving it, wasn't even close to my mind but then something set me off and all of a sudden I call up one of my guys and I'm on my way to his place just like that. On the way there I thought to myself do I really need this but then I decided I was already on my way to pick it up I may as well just go for it when I get my hands on it and enjoy a little nod. For no reason whatsoever. And I'm good today again. Sometimes you just really want to get high whether you need to or not. It's hard to ignore the best feeling in the world calling you out like hey what's up you know you want to...

that is what we call addiction. it is very very tricky like that






anywho i am fixin to detox. i have 90mgs of hydrocodone and DPH pills and loperamide HCL pills for my detox. The worst of it is over within a few days, so i think all these pills are gona make things bearable!
 
I don't like coke, so definitely never IVd it. I had a friend that used to IV coke every so often, and he would have a garbage can next to him because he would vomit from it sometimes. That right there made me wonder why he would do something that he knew may cause him to puke right away.

TRM, how long do you think you will stretch the hydrocodone out for? I would say to try to take it every other day after a few days on it, but I don't know if that would work with the amount you have. IDK, maybe try to do a day of 30mg, then 20mg for a few days, and then 10mg, skip a day and take the last 10mg. Good luck.
 
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