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10mg Methylphenidate (Insufflated) - Experienced - Are my reactions abnormal???

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10mg Methylphenidate (Insufflated) - Experienced - How Abnormal Are These Reactions?

Note: I am not diagnosed with ADHD, but occassionally snort Ritalin for study (ie. non-recreational) purposes. This trip report is designed to give the reader some insight into how this method of administration effects me, because every time I read descriptions of recreational methylphenidate use by other Bluelighters, I am struck by how different their experiences seem to be compared to mine.

Ok, so today I decided that I could use some chemical assistance with my university thesis. At 1pm I crushed and insufflated a single 10mg tablet of Ritalin. I've done this several times over the past few years and the effects are always identical, so by now I recognise them as readily as I do the sweet musical opening to 'The End' by The Doors.

By 1:10pm I could feel the usual effects beginning to take hold: a slight elevation in energy and mood, mild twitchiness and edginess, suppressed appetite, and of course, uncanny powers of concentration. Within minutes I had all my books and folders out in front of my computer and was studying away like crazy.

All that mattered was the problem in front of me. The King Crimson records I had playing in the background suited my mood fine, but every time an album finished, I'd find myself not putting another one on for another 15 minutes, simply because I was too engrossed in my thesis-writing.

Now here's the thing. We all know that you're only 'supposed' to take Ritalin orally - a method of administration which gives you minimal physical effects but 4 fairly consistent hours of heightened concentration. To take it recreationally you have to snort it, which gives you a much more interesting array of subtle physical effects that have been likened to cocaine, or to meth without the anxiety. However, what's also commonly reported is that when administered this way, the primary effects usually only last for 1-2 hours before a rather unpleasant 'Ritalin crash' sets in.

Well that never seems to happen for me! When I snort Ritalin, not only does it hit me much harder than if I eat it, but also, it seems to last for 8-12 hours! Sure, after 2-4 hours much of the body buzz is gone, but to me it seems more like I've gotten used to it. At about this time today, I just adjourned to the kitchen to make a quick pot of green tea before returning to the desk. The body buzz never quite returned, but the mental effects (ie. heightened capacity for sustained concentration, motivation and focus) all stayed.

By 6pm (t + 5.00 hrs) the Simpsons were starting on TV so I went to watch them. Having seen pretty much all episodes 6 billion times I don't tend to pay much attention to them anymore. Watching them is more of a 'mental "off" period.' But this time I was fully engrossed, paying careful attention to all the colours, animations and background art. At 6:30pm the world news started, and there was a great deal happening. I listened carefully to every word the broadcaster said and retained all of it (which doesn't usually happen for me).

At 7pm (t + 6.00 hrs) I returned to my computer for another hour of study. Still full powers of mental concentration. After it all I realised that I'd done about 1,500 words today - for those who have never done a thesis before, that's actually a shitload when you consider all the careful referencing and structuring that has to be done.

Feeling very proud of myself, I decided it would be a good idea to get some exercise. So at 8pm (t + 7.00 hrs) I did an hour-long stroll around the university campus. My muscles were a little sore and tired, but after getting a bit of momentum up I realised the physical effects were still still slightly there as my heartrate increased noticeably (nothing bad, just above average). My mind was still racing with all sorts of imaginative but highly articulate ideas, ranging from where my thesis would go from here, what I'd like to research for my next project, the order in which to plan my Summer travel, etc. etc. Like the Simpsons, my evening walk is usually mental 'off time' but tonight it was highly focused, even this long after taking the Ritalin.

Fast forward to now. It's about 12:30am (t + 11.50 hrs) and I'm still at it! Physically I'm starting to get tired, but that could be the 9mg of melatonin and pint of mega-powerful stout I ingested earlier. Concentrating now requires some effort, but when I actually make the effort the ability to think clearly, focus and structure a piece of writing (like this trip report) still comes without much effort. I have some very minor tooth grinding too, my neck muscles are slightly sore, and my pupils are still slightly dilated. At any rate, I have NOT gone through anything so negative that it could be likened to a 'crash.' Heck, I find it more unpleasant when an average cup of coffee wears off. This is nothing I'd even call a comedown.

My point is this: These effects are by no means 'typical' compared to what I usually read on Bluelight or Erowid! 10mg of methylphenidate is really not much at all (I think it's the lowest dose that Ritalin comes in) and even when people snort larger doses (60mg+) a heightened sense of concentration doesn't seem to be a normal effect.

Not that I'm complaining about any of this. A productive day of study is enough to put me in a brilliant mood at the worst of times! I just thought I'd share this with you all to demonstrate how different people really do react differently to different drugs. Methylphenidate and I seem to be made for each other. Too bad insufflation leads to crappy tolerance. :)
 
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Hmm that's quite a long duration. But yes, you're still left with a speeding, partially concentrated feeling after the initial peak of 1-4 hours(1-2 hours snorted, 2-4 oral)... Maybe you are just really motivated, too?
 
"To take it recreationally you have to snort it"


That is so far off. Anyway you take is recreational.

I abused methlyphedidate for about 6-7 months at 100mg+ everyday. heres my opinion


Your snorting 10mg of ritalin. You think because your snorting it, its going to be better. So, once you snort it your probably like "yeah, im really high", but your really not THAT high. Shit man, its 10mg, you make it sounds like your banging the shit. You just WANT to be that high, you just think your that high. Your not, your just studying for sooo long, so hard. That your mind is in that "mindset" and your stuck with it all day.

placebo sort of .. you just think your high.
 
^ Hmm, I'm not so sure about this one. As I said, I've never been diagnosed with ADHD but have indulged in small doses of ritalin on and off 'for kicks' since I was 14. And not only have I noticed a qualitative difference in effects when I snort as opposed to eat it, but I also recall reading quite a bit on medical websites that there is a difference.

At any rate, you're right to correct me: you CAN use ritalin recreationally by taking it orally. But in my experience, eating such a low dose as 10mg will give you such weak effects. That's what I meant by that comment. What I'm saying, and what inspired this report, is that I seem to be VERY sensitive to snorting it. Again I think of it as a good thing, because 10mg snorted gets the job (study) done. But I feel as though 100mg would fuck me up.
 
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Sprinklervibes said:
Hmm that's quite a long duration. But yes, you're still left with a speeding, partially concentrated feeling after the initial peak of 1-4 hours(1-2 hours snorted, 2-4 oral)... Maybe you are just really motivated, too?

Motivated? Hmm, I'd sure like to think so, but in all honesty I've been quite lazy lately. But it is true that once I get into a bit of study I can stay interested for some time. It's just a matter of breaking through those initial couple of hours. Maybe that's what's happening here? shrug
 
I was going to say maybe your just hyper-sensitive to the drug, but then wouldn't that make the other physical aspects more apparent, and make the peak much higher so-to-speak ?
 
that report does seem interesting especially how 10mg can perk you up for that length of time, i absolutely agree that it is by no means a big dose but i have seen people react to drugs completely differently
 
doesn't sound peculiar to me, but that said, i don't need a lot of anything these days for full effects. probably better to be joyous about your reactions than ponder their abnormality.
 
^Yeah don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about these effects at all. :)

When you say this doesn't sound peculiar, are you just talking about stimulants generally or have you had similar experiences with insufflated methylphenidate?
 
my one and only experience with Ritalin was quite a few years ago when i had a weekend to myself and a copy of C&C renegade to finish. it was a friday night, after work (i was pretty braindead from work) and snorted 2 and a bit. (i stupidly didn't look at the time, but afterwards i went back and had a look at the specific tablets i had just hoovered, turned out to be the 5mg tablets) needless to say i finished the game before the ritalin wore off, i had snorted it up at roughly 9pm friday and was still having trouble switching my brain off at 7am the next day. finally slept after a big glass of wine around 8:30am..

generally stimulants work their magic on me at lower doses than the people i take them with. whether or not this reflects it's normal capacity, or that everyone else around me is a disgusting drug pig, who knows? ;)

added thought, my stomach tends to quake like a small child throughout.
 
Interesting. Maybe it's a personal sensitivity thing then...

I was going to suggest that it's merely the mental effects of the ritalin that keep lasting, whereas the 'body high' wares off after 2 hours like so many other people insist happens to them. But your post reminds me of my first year of uni, when it would be 9pm and I'd been awake for 20 or so hours, and needed to start a 7hr shift at work at 10. 10mg of ritalin was always enough to see me through till 6am with minimal physical discomfort.

Then again, perhaps it's all in the mind?
Or maybe methyphenidate works better in the southern hemisphere?8)
 
i feel a certain potency taper off a bit after about the 3hr mark, but it's not enough to make me go "right, i'm coming down" so much as it's "thankyou stomach for not rumbling like you were, i'm sure we can muster up a pot of tea and a cookie now, then back to the game!"

i suppose "minimal physical discomfort" also depends on the work you do, whether or not you've got a cushy desk job, or you serve customers more worthy of being spat on.

what other stimulants have you attempted study under?
 
Yeah. Well, back in those days I was working as a customer service whore at Subway. It was a fairly active job but snorting the ritalin made me feel great. Physical discomfort for me was just slight jaw clenching.

As for other stimulants I've tried for study purposes:

-Dexamphetamine: Very good. Lasts 8 hours and although it's a bit speedy is quite controlled. Not quite as 'in the zone' as methylphenidate, however.

-Methamphetamine: Only once did I try this, and in an emergency. It did increase my concentration slightly, but the physical side-effects were a little too much for sitting in front of a computer. And after the initial 2-3hour peak was over, that was it, I simply HAD to have more if I was to keep studying. Not recommended.

- Ephedra tea: Only good for staying awake. On it, my brain seems to wander off into la-la land a fair bit and I want to go exploring.

- Caffeine: The classic academic aide. Works ok, but I find it's more effective if you keep the dose small and continual (eg. a pot of green tea rather than a mega double caffe latte). Not the best if you've already been up for 24 hours, though.

So yeah, nothing comes close to the ADHD medications in my book.
 
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Dude, I'm pretty sure that when people say that snorted Methylphenidate wears off after 1-2 hours, they're talking about the initial "high" you get when taking a larger amount for recreational purposes. Like, for me, this is the case: If I were to take 10mg of ritalin or adderol, the "energy and concentration" effects would last like 8 hours, but there would be no high. If I were to snort 70mg of ritalin or adderol, the speedy, concentration, and energy-enhancing effects would last 8+ hours, but the initial, super-euphoric high, only lasts about 2 hours. After that, your just very "up". So I think thats what people are talking about when they say it just lasts 1-2 hours. Also, the come-down or crash you get after getting high on ritalin or adderol is the same one you get after doing coke...you have flooded your neurons with seratonin and dopamine, and after the drug wears off, your dopamine and seratonin are only being released at 50% of the normal rate, which makes you feel, well, really shitty. Thats why 10mg doesn't give you a comedown, it simply doesnt give a high because it doesnt realease extroardinarily large amounts of seratonin and dopamine (like 70mg would), so after the effects wear off, you dont lack those neurotransmitters.
 
^Thanks, that actually makes a lot of sense. I don't think I've ever snorted more than 30mg at once so I probably don't even know what it feels like to indulge in 'recreational' doses. Still, I have to admit that even a mere 10mg makes me feel pretty damn good, even if my neurons aren't 'flooded with seratonin and dopamine' at that level.

Does anyone know the rate at which my methylphenidate tolerance would build if I were to snort 10mg every second day? I'm not seriously considering it (and don't have regular access to the stuff anyway), but I'm very curious about what effect it would have on me.
 
You probably wouldn't develop a tolerance. Not physically at least. Its possible that you would just get really used to taking 10mg and it would become "like a cup of coffee" for you, ya know what I mean? But as for not getting effects off 10mg after a while, that wouldn't happen. Tolerance for amphetamines occurs because you really screw up your body's rate at which it produces and releases serotonin and dopamine, and for the days after a heavy amount of use, your body has to get back to its normal pattern of release of neurotransmitters. What I'm saying is that 10mg every other day doesn't really throw your body out of whack, so you probably would develop no tolerance at all.
 
Does anyone know the rate at which my methylphenidate tolerance would build if I were to snort 10mg every second day?
I can tell you that the specified dosage regimen for adults is 10-60mg/day (usually 20-30mg) in 2-3 divided doses. [MIMS]

So a 10mg dose is on the low end of the scale, and given that you would administer every second day rather than every day, you could probably expect to get away with not developing a significant tolerance for a while;
- but considering the effect that 10mg insufflated has on you, you may sooner develop a psychological 'tolerance'/familiarity with the effects, so that you no longer experience the same degree of contrast between straight and dosed mind states when you snort up a 10mg pill.

As for physiological tolerance, you probably wouldn't need to worry about that for a good while - I base this assumption on the above dosage regimen in patients for whom methylphenidate is therapeutically indicated. If those high doses (30+mg/day) can be assigned for a treatment period of weeks or months, then tolerance doesn't seem to be a huge factor with methylphenidate use at reasonable dosages, unless such high doses are only prescribed once a patient has built tolerance to an initial low-dose regimen.

I'm not specific about actual time periods for tolerance development because I don't have any personal experience with using these stimulants on a regular basis, but I'm sure some more specific literature is lurking around that will give u more clues about the how methylphenidate tolerance manifests, if you are especially curious.

But you are fortunate to be able to have solid experiences and pleasing effects with the assistance of such a small dose. I'm the same with most drugs that i've tried, and it makes for a well stocked stash at all times...sometimes just knowing that the assortment is sitting there is enough to elicit a psych-response, now its time to hit the napsack. cheers.
 
^Thanks!

I would never actually do it for a sustained period because I feel that it would make it more difficult to study while straight. Was just curious is all. But you know how it is during particularly busy study periods...I have a thesis due in about 7 weeks and the next month is going to be very intense. And this degree is important enough for me to administer 10mg every second day for a week or two.

I don't suppose the route of administration (ie. snorting) would affect the rate at which tolerance develops? I know that eating the stuff daily works well for people with ADHD but they're not exactly instructed by their doctors to get out the mortar and pestle and reach for the 50 dollar bills! :)
 
I would never actually do it for a sustained period because I feel that it would make it more difficult to study while straight. Was just curious is all. But you know how it is during particularly busy study periods
Oh yeah i'm with you on the busy periods - im coming into week 8 still riding on the confidence of decent marks in first semester, which basically means i've done a tragically low amount of work throughout this semester and when the assessments start rolling in heavy i'll be looking for drastic solutions.

I'd also agree about using it constantly for study - once you are accustomed to working well in a particular state of mind and it becomes a regularity, i reckon it would be much more difficult to gather the motivation and focus required to sit down and do consistent study whilst straight. So i save stimulant-assistance for stuvac and during exams, to help me cope with lack of sleep.

Last semester i was using phentermine - a pharmaceutical appetite suppressant (works as a stimulant) that is very structurally similar but inferior to amphetamine, as well as very small quantities of carefully timed illicit meth (i like to call em 'study doses') - after all, the thing you want to avoid is feeling too much of that nice wave of calm positivity that can fool you into thinking that everything is gonna work out fine, and after exams your gonna go out and dance and laugh and smile etc., meanwhile your pen is lying flat on the desk.

I have a thesis due in about 7 weeks and the next month is going to be very intense. And this degree is important enough for me to administer 10mg every second day for a week or two.
A thesis is a chunky piece of work to have on your plate - i'm glad to hear it's due in 7 weeks not 7 days! Given that you are considering your pharmacostudy regime with quite a while to go till due date, i'd say definitely give it a try - judging by your post, you are pretty productive on the methyls, so you would at the very least be getting some solid work done, even if they don't turn out to be a viable solution with regular use.

I'd also suggest that you start with dosing over one week, and then discontinue drug at the end of that week - then try to study without them for a week to determine how well you readjust. That would be playing it safe, because if you do it for two weeks during the coming month, and then stop, by the third week you could find that you can't keep up with your required rate of work when you're not on them. Then you would be caught between a rock and a hard place - would you soldier on without the drug even if it means sacrificing valuable time to settle back into a good routine, or would you go for the pharmacofix and end up tolerant and depleted of your neurotransmitters in the crucial final weeks? If you intend to use them regularly at all, you would be better off trying this short 1-week experiment ASAP to give you an idea of how you will plan your final weeks before due date, and so that any potential rebound amotivation or post-use fatigue don't afflict you closer to the due date.

I don't suppose the route of administration (ie. snorting) would affect the rate at which tolerance develops?
I could see a potentially higher chance of tolerance developing through snorting. I don't know about physical tolerance so much, but with 10mg doses every second day, it still probably wouldn't be a problem, but i haven't researched this yet.

However, the degree of psychological tolerance would probably be increased with snorting. This is because snorting leads to more complete and rapid absorption of the drug compared to ingestion, and hence high bioavailability (amount absored into bloodstream) in a short space of time - the outcome of this would generally be more potent psychological effects, with shorter duration and a 'spike' of psychoactivity, followed by a noticeably steep decline once the drug wears off, which could leave you with that pesky growing urge to redose half-way through your day of study to return to that nice plateau, and that would inevitably grow into a tolerance-inducing pattern of use. Also, the contrast between a snorted dose frame-of-mind and your regular attitude toward study is probably going to be greater than if you were to eat the pills; this could make things harder when it comes time to study without chemical assistance.

But, this opinion is formed from inferences drawn from the pharmacology of insufflation. Your experience could be different, and you may not notice any drop-off or urge to take more in any given sitting, and you may not even be phased by the contrast between your mind after 10mg vs. your drug-free mind.

A short experiment will help you learn more about how you respond to various methods of drug-assisted study. Perhaps try 5mg snorted vs 10mg eaten and try to determine which option would be better for a short period of regular dosing.

I know that eating the stuff daily works well for people with ADHD but they're not exactly instructed by their doctors to get out the mortar and pestle and reach for the 50 dollar bills!
hehe that's where the bluelight fraternity of harm-reduction/fun-expansion advisors come into the picture. :)

well, all the best with your thesis, my exams are slowly hobbling toward me, yet i'm just doing everything but catching up on missed work. see, like this post - i'm not a nice guy, i'll just do anything rather than pull out those fuckin books heeeeeehehe. and to top it all off, im writing it at 5:30 after a night out, instead of hitting the pillow. ah well, i'll start tomorrow(today), FOR SURE!!

-ok enough from me, hope the long post doesn't shit you, but this is why bluelight is good if you're coming home alone itchin for a good convo after a top night of chillin with the distracting vice of a friend we like to call meth.
 
I find with 20mg insufflated ritalin I get 2-3 hours body high, then a few more hours of quite uncomfortable stimulation... not really a high though.
 
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