1 Dead, 7 Injured in Mass Drug Overdose (2C-E)

see but as i'm sure you know, YOU DONT FUCKING TRIP FROM ECSTASY
i've done 2CE before, absolutely nothing like MDMA
wat is wrong with the news media deez days yo
 
I have tripped from Ecstasy on more than one occasion... but it was always a higher does when i did trip, and it was pure Mdma Tested and all....Mdma is non-traditional psychedelic no doubt, but a psychedelic nonetheless.
 
LSDMDMA&9647684 said:
i nom'd a .5g bag of MDMA crystal over the period of an hour and i didnt trip...
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I guess it doesn't make everyone trip, i have friends that full out trip when smoking weed and to this day no matter how much i smoke i do not trip... I guess it affects everyone differently... I personally like the Trip i get on higher dose's of Mdma
 
Boognish said:
Looks like one of the other kids just died, and there was another death in a nearby town that they think also was attributed to 2c-E. This product had to have been tainted! This is terrible!! RIP:(
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Absolutely chilling to listen to...brought back the same feeling of dread from an unrelated experience...so sad; can we really chalk this up to stupidity? Or have some of us spoken to soon?

I've heard of a separate incident out in the midwest...sounds like the result of a tainted product going around and deeply pains me to hear about.

What does also concern me is the timing coupled with the bill currently in legislature: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-839

is it out of the question to consider purposeful product tainting?
edit: research has that people are saying that (incorrectly that 2c-b-fly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-B-FLY)[or more likely the bromo-dragonfly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromo-DragonFLY] was the chemical actually ingested--bromo is active at microgram rather than milligram levels.

Can anyone verify this?

It doesn't reduce the horribleness of this string of recent events, but does drastically change the way to view the pinning of blame.
As a distributor---even a consumer of an RC, tested protocol for safe usage is to verify the compound in question. Had he done this, and the product been mislabeled rather than tainted, he would have known!-->and the absence of any hitches with this seems to indicate pure profit motive for distribution...ugly, ugly indeed
 
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That call freaked me out a bit and gave me a shiver down my spine as a couple weeks ago I had a bad fucking seizure and coughed up blood and rushed to hospital for the 3rd time in my life after only 3 beers throughout several hours (and nothing else).

But yeah, my condolences go to this family.
 
I'd like to know how Bromo dragonfly keeps contaminating these "mainstream" RCs when it's not nearly as common/popular. Most vendors I've seen don't even offer it! Paying for 2C-E and getting MDPV instead--that I could understand. Even 4-FA, methoxetamine, 6-apb...but not bromo. Almost seems intentional or, at the very least, severely negligent.
 
^ This. How the fuck does that happen? With the Bromo-D-Fly mislabeling/accident that happened in 2009 in Barcelona (Great trip report), and the same batch that killed a person in California, you would think vendors would be more careful. Not to mention the vendor who supplied those people actually OD'd on the stuff as well. How are people making the same deadly mistakes again?
 
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I don't agree that a 20-year old should do time because a bunch of kids OD'd. Does the fact that he acquired it *legally over the internet count for NOTHING? Why not track down the vendor who sold it not only to this kid but probably 1,000s of others? (Or the manufacturer?)

Unless the kid cut it with bromo-dragonfly himself, charges should be minimal. He didn't force anyone to take the drug. If he had spiked drinks with it or smtg. it would be a whole different story. They were all as ignorant as he was, but he's likely gonna do serious time being that it's Oklahoma: Buckle of the Bible Belt.

*I realize 2C-E is a legal "grey area" but come on. It's either illegal, which means we must prosecute ALL vendors and users, or it's legal. If it's indeed illegal, shouldn't everyone who purchased and took the drug be prosecuted as well?
 
Lady Codone said:
Possibly controversial opinion coming in 3, 2...

I don't agree that a 20-year old should do time because a bunch of kids OD'd. Does the fact that he acquired it *legally over the internet count for NOTHING? Why not track down the vendor who sold it not only to this kid but probably 1,000s of others? (Or the manufacturer?)

Unless the kid cut it with bromo-dragonfly himself, charges should be minimal. He didn't force anyone to take the drug. If he had spiked drinks with it or smtg. it would be a whole different story. They were all as ignorant as he was, but he's likely gonna do serious time being that it's Oklahoma: Buckle of the Bible Belt.

*I realize 2C-E is a legal "grey area" but come on. It's either illegal, which means we must prosecute ALL vendors and users, or it's legal. If it's indeed illegal, shouldn't everyone who purchased and took the drug be prosecuted as well?
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It becomes illegal once it is intended for human consumption. In this case, it was in a mixed solution, which means it was intended for human consumption, thus illegal.

These deaths suck :! The scene is becoming too easy to access.
 
Bromo dragonfly is cheap when you consider dosing in the micrograms and of course no one wants to buy any because it has such a bad rep, so there is probably a ton of it waiting to be sold. Makes sense they would try to ditch it masquerading as another RC. Some Chinese chemical supplier probably made a ton of it thinking he would get rich.... oops...
 
^That makes a lot of sense mang. It's not like some Chinese chemist (or an American distributor)gives a fuck about an American consumer. They feed their babies tainted formula over there after all.
 
Lady Codone said:
Possibly controversial opinion coming in 3, 2...

I don't agree that a 20-year old should do time because a bunch of kids OD'd. Does the fact that he acquired it *legally over the internet count for NOTHING? Why not track down the vendor who sold it not only to this kid but probably 1,000s of others? (Or the manufacturer?)

Unless the kid cut it with bromo-dragonfly himself, charges should be minimal. He didn't force anyone to take the drug. If he had spiked drinks with it or smtg. it would be a whole different story. They were all as ignorant as he was, but he's likely gonna do serious time being that it's Oklahoma: Buckle of the Bible Belt.

*I realize 2C-E is a legal "grey area" but come on. It's either illegal, which means we must prosecute ALL vendors and users, or it's legal. If it's indeed illegal, shouldn't everyone who purchased and took the drug be prosecuted as well?
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Ok, so some responsibility is on vendors--yeah.

However, I pin a huge debt on the distributor--the kid who was selling it. He was selling it and obviously didn't know what he had. He didn't follow RC protocol, Allergy test, test run at sold dosage, etc.

If that had been the case he would have realized he had something very different--instead this leads me to believe he was trying to flip it for profit.

Accidental manslaughter is harsh--it is the justification for what did happen.
I'd say the kid learned enough of a lesson--but I believe the wrong lesson will be pushed mainstream because of this incident: That all RC's are dangerous deadly chemicals.

I believe he should have a less severe charge as well; though manslaughter is not unjustified or uncalled for
 
"Ecstasy like substance"... kinda like adderall which they give their kids... or how bout all the neurotransmitters naturally in our bodies that these drugs mimic?... they don't bring that up....
 
I agree that the kid selling it at the party was being extremely careless and should face legal consequences. That said, as someone born and raised in small-town Oklahoma, I can tell you that most Okies don't know the difference between marijuana and meth until they end up hopelessly hooked on the latter...which actually happened to about half of my graduating class.

Everyone SHOULD test their drugs before dosing, but the reality is that far too many people have never even HEARD of test kits and wouldn't know how to use one if they had it. Harm reduction is not taught in schools; in places like Oklahoma, the general consensus is that all drug users deserve to die for sinning against God. To give an idea of the ignorance level in the state: Not long ago, the local news dedicated a special segment to the dangers of "iDosing"--aka listening to soundwaves to alter consciousness. (See here).

My $0.02: A more practical form of drug education is needed in schools to help prevent things like this. We learn to put condoms on bananas in 7th grade to prevent STDs and pregnancy but get virtually no useful harm reduction info when it comes to drug education. Abstinence-only education doesn't work, period. Pretending that it does is like telling drug users they deserve to die. Hence my relentless obsession with harm reduction.
 
Lady Codone said:
I agree that the kid selling it at the party was being extremely careless and should face legal consequences. That said, as someone born and raised in small-town Oklahoma, I can tell you that most Okies don't know the difference between marijuana and meth until they end up hopelessly hooked on the latter...which actually happened to about half of my graduating class.

Everyone SHOULD test their drugs before dosing, but the reality is that far too many people have never even HEARD of test kits and wouldn't know how to use one if they had it. Harm reduction is not taught in schools; in places like Oklahoma, the general consensus is that all drug users deserve to die for sinning against God. To give an idea of the ignorance level in the state: Not long ago, the local news dedicated a special segment to the dangers of "iDosing"--aka listening to soundwaves to alter consciousness. (See here).

My $0.02: A more practical form of drug education is needed in schools to help prevent things like this. We learn to put condoms on bananas in 7th grade to prevent STDs and pregnancy but get virtually no useful harm reduction info when it comes to drug education. Abstinence-only education doesn't work, period. Pretending that it does is like telling drug users they deserve to die. Hence my relentless obsession with harm reduction.
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you have some good points: i.e. the framework for a good education to 'modern' drug procedure.

The problem here is--if the kid did enough research to figure out how to find the chem, he should have at least encountered something on proper usage procedure.

Isn't that what bluelight is about? Harm reduction? Through information about safe usage and proper proceedings?
 
There's nothing to say that the kid didn't know what HE was doing, it is just clear that he didn't make sure OTHERS knew what they were getting into. If you read the article it says that they were sold 15 milliliters that were supposed to be diluted down further into 20oz bottles of water and dosed accordingly (ex: don't drink the whole fucking bottle). But obviously the kids had no clue what they were getting into, the kid on the 991 call didn't even know what to tell the operator, which makes me think that some (if not all!) of the people who consumed it had no clue what 2C-E was.
 
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