1,4-Butanediol - Retrospective - This is not just "kinda like alcohol"

[Ekstasis-//7]

I had heard good reports about using a small/medium dose of 1-4B after a night out on pills with a few friends. I'd heard good reports of it livening everyone up for a bit and bringing a good social atmosphere back at the house after a night out whereas everyone would normally be half asleep after the pills had worn off. Up until then I had never really been much interested in trying this substance. I usually investigate substances with a lot more psychedelic potential. I was looking for a possible substance to take after my MDMA experience had come down. So far nothing had seemed quite "right" as the MDMA afterglow still leaves me feeling so pure and clean (shameless) that any other psychedelic/weed/alcohol just seemed like a "dirty" adulterant of an otherwise perfect state (other than feeling pretty sober and tired).

I got my bottle of "inkcleaner" the morning of the day I had been planning to go out. It had been nearly 4 months since I had taken any pills. This night I had been planning a long time for. I had not slept yet and knew I needed to some before I'd go out tonight. Seeing as it's supposed to convert to GHB via the liver I thought I'd kill 2 birds with one stone. Experiment with dosages and trial run before offering to any friends post party and also use it to get some much needed sleep.

(the dosages here are not completely accurate as it was a few months ago)
The contents of the bottle of 1,4B was frozen in a kinda clear/whitish oily block. I put under the hot water tap for a couple of seconds. I measured out around 1ml. It tasted positively nasty. Bitter and a disgusting chemical like taste that sorta reminded me of plastic. If taste is anything to go off this sure tastes toxic .

Gradually around T+10min I feel some mild effects. Around T+20 I feel full effects kicking in. Some slightly fuzzy vision when I look out the window that reminds me of being tipsy or drunk on alcohol. My pupils don't really look any more dialated yet I feel a similar happy, scatted feeling as with alcohol. Some loss of motor co-ordination. I try some pushups. I can support my body weight fine besides my muscles feeling a little strange or spongy. I think the fine motor co-ordination is much better than with alcohol at least at this dose but still defiantly a little shaky in the hands.

I wait about an hour and most all the effects have worn off. I had felt a little happy but this had worn off pretty quickly. It was a very mild dose. T+1:00 I measure out around 2 or 2½ml. The effects seem to start coming on in waves at around +T1:10. This feels pretty mild. It's getting stronger. A mild intoxication. Some blurry vision again. This is coming on stronger than the first dose. Nothing to interesting. I feel heat in my stomach which later leads to nausea (this seems fairly toxic like alcohol). At around T+1:15 - T+1:20 I feel it all of a sudden peak. A big rush. It reminds me somewhat of the feeling I get when the first "waves" begin to hit you when MDMA comes on. This is an intense emotional rush. I am sitting down. This level of emotion has really hit me at a sore spot. I have been single for a quite some time and this "rush" has made me remember the intensity of emotion of being "in love". I've been so independent that I'd forgotten how it feels to be open to this possibility. It made me realise how my current life seemed almost plain and lifeless in comparison to this intensity. I remembered like I did before that it would be great to find someone where I have this connection with that I can experience life with together. I can't help but make a wish that someday I will be faced with such an overwhelming opportunity that will not pass me by.

Okay enough of that talk... So I then felt pretty hammered. I lay down. I imagine that walking would have been a little shaky. So I stayed lying down My stomach began to remind me that I hadn't eaten a proper full meal in a while.... Oh boy did it ever. My stomach was hot, kinda burning like. I felt really really nauseous. Like as it I'd had 3/4 of a 700ml bottle of vodka. I had a little food and water near me but that didn't really help. I just tried to get to sleep. The main "rush" probably only lasted a couple of minutes. The main part for say maybe 5-10 minutes. Then I just felt pretty intoxicated for the next maybe half hour or 1 hour. I was then able to sleep quite easily.

I tried 1,4B again a few days later and then a few days after that. I didn't get the intense nausea as I had before. I think probably having a good meal is what solved that. It still felt kinda toxic like alcohol though. I didn't get any more such meaningful experiences out of it.

he next time I took 1,4 I took it with friends. I took somewhere around 15ml or so over the course of a night and morning. We found that the first initial dosage is the one you feel the most. Then as I redose each hour or two I found it did less and less. By the morning I had taken many 2 or 3 ml dosages spaced 1-3 hours apart. I then had around 3 dosages spaced within an hour and then felt pretty happy, blurry vision a bit and was buzzing. I had to eat quite a bit to get rid of the queasiness much like alcohol. I then went to the gym and after a good 15-20mins of working out hard I found I had sobered up?!? I did find quite noticeable over the course of that night that I had been very sociable (chatty) much like alcohol. Later on I had to agree with another friend that 1,4B does seem to make a person feel "horny". Although now looking back on it I don't think I had an animal instinct for sex. I think rather it was an underlying need and desire to find a suitable person to "connect" with at a strong emotional level. This is just the normal desire I have to one day find someone if the possibility arises. It just seems that on 1,4B it seems to make these issues surface. It made me realise the current "lack" of that emotional need and although I new the current company of the opposite sex where not suitable to provide the kind of emotional connection, I still found myself chatting to them as though wishing for something that wasn't there. By the midday or early afternoon I found myself very nauseous all of a sudden and lying in bed I could not sleep. It was a very nasty physical and emotional feeling. This was also my first experience with smoking a little crystal methamphetamine which I have since found was probably to blame for the nasty emotional "come-down" and not being able to sleep. Honestly this felt really toxic and the nausia was almost unbearable. Feeling so terrible, I then decided to leave the rest of the 1,4B at with a friend. I instructed him with every detail on the risks, dosages, what to do in emergency ect. I thought he was fairly trustworthy and responsible. I was gravely mistaken. A week later I found out he and another friend had finished the rest of the bottle. Somewhere I guess at being around 70mls. They said they finished it over the course of two days. I couldn't believe their stupidity and I also felt really guilty and responsible since I knew they could have easily died from such foolish actions. Needless to say I don't think I will be buying any quantities of this again any time soon or at least I won't be bringing it anywhere near those crazy friends

 

[Mean Girl]

fantastic report, i have to agree with you about the friends and 1,4 , i've sadly only ever had average to downright horrible encounters with it (my ex used it to dope up his last girl to make her sleep with him ), but i think you've made some good decisions and experienced a necessary learning curve.

good stuff

 

[Psilo707]

interesting! ive never seen this stuff nor heard of anyone having it, but it sounds like it would be a good "one time" usage material, just to test the waters. Thx for the report

 

[unusual_noises]

^^I don't know where you are from, but it's everywhere in Australia. I like it but i seriously gag at the taste now. I used to be able to handle it, but even thinking about it now makes me wanna chuck. My mate says he 'likes' the taste, but it is fucking horrible and because it's liquid it stays in your mouth for ages and you need to drink heaps of water or whatever to get rid of it. Not as many people are taking it these days, most likely due to all the bad press it gets, but I still like it every now and again, esp. to get to sleep or when coming down.

Does anyone else get a white tongue/sore throat after taking heaps? I sometimes feel 1,4-B strips away a layer of flesh (a very fine one tho) off the inside of my throat. It feels a bit raw after a big night on it...

 

[yaesutom]

^^^

You DON'T have to taste it!!! I've figured out long long ago, that you can drip GBL or 1,4-b into gel caps and just eat the gel cap - it'll even sit in a gelcap for hours sometimes.. easy way to dose too.. the 00 capsules hold just under 1mL

i've consumed a fuckload of 1,4, but never once tasted it .

 

[c00kiemonster]

Isn't it best to dilute it in liquid or you'll burn your insides? After all its a solvent!

 

[8ft-Sativa]

Lol yeah, i hear its great for its intended purpose, that is removeing ink/paint whatever.

I used to put like 3mls in some orange juice and drink it slowly the high gradually built up as opposed to slamming it all at once and knocking you out hard.

Only once did i take too much and start vomiting and falling in and out of conciousness and that was when i took it all at once.

Anything that corrosive cant realy be that good for you.

But yeah its like alcohol but your more mentaly with it and you only say half the stupid shit you would when drunk.

I do imagine it would make a great way to sleep off a evil comedown though.

 

[Ekstasis-//7]

I am interested if anyone else experienced such a strong and profound "rush" as what I tryed to describe earlier?

I usually am one to look more deeply for spiritual & emtional insights and workings when under the influence of whichever psychoactive substance I am testing. This was not the case of what happened here. I was hit hard with some kind of experience of significance whether I was looking for it or not. I was surprised because I had dissmissed 1,4B as being a fairly lowly unenlightening substance. Was what I experienced a one off?

 

[KemicalBurn]

interesting! ive never seen this stuff nor heard of anyone having it, but it sounds like it would be a good "one time" usage material, just to test the waters. Thx for the report

If youve heard/tried GHB, its virtually identical (you body converts 1,4b into GHB)

1,4B is used more here due to the chems needed to make GHB are restricted.

Im fond of it, and never had (or known anyone) to have a bad experience, though i have seen it to others while out I dont feel its something you should take while 'out on the town', more for at home with a girl..

 

[kapow]

Yeah, you shouldn't drink this stuff without diluting it! juice or sprite or anything like that works well as a mixer. Just think of it as a cocktail

 

[Ekstasis-//7]

Originally posted by KemicalBurn

1,4B is used more here due to the chems needed to make GHB are restricted.

Info I've read in the forums here from those more educated in the chemistry department would indicate that the chemicals needed to make GHB are not restricted. That is of course if you are talking about converting the 1,4B into GHB. So far I've read in the forums a particual chemical from the pool shop has very high yeilds in doing this conversion. Can't remember what it was called though was it copper something? Better go search the forums. If you do descide do anything like this make sure you know what the hell you are doing.

To a serious G user, I think this may be worth the research. I mean everyone will probably aggree real G (GHB) is a lot better on the liver and kidneys (not to mention the rest of the body) than that toxic 1,4B.

 

[KemicalBurn]

^careful. were not supposed to talk about drug synth

"1,4-Butanediol is closely related (chemically) to GHB. It has become a popular substitute for GHB for a few reasons – GHB is becoming more and more difficult to obtain due to legalities (depending on your location), "

and regarding its toxicity:

"There has been considerable debate over the toxicity of 1,4-B. The most convincing argument runs along the lines of its chemical similarity to an antifreeze agent used in radiator fluid, called propylene glycol. This suggests some serious issues with 1,4-B, however studies on its effects on the human body have proven it is not a danger, unless abused. 1,4-B damages your liver and kidneys much in the same way as alcohol does, however there is a much steeper bell curve (the damage will begin with less abuse, and get out of hand easier). Don’t abuse it, and you shouldn’t encounter any side effects. "

source

 

[Jamshyd]

Hmm.. I think that person means Ethylene Glycol. Propylene Glycol is non-toxic (at least, thats what it seems). It is used extensively in medicine, cosmetics and food; and I do believe it is the lubricant in, well, lube.

1,4-Butanediol is Butylene Glycol. Although Ethylene Glycol (antifeeze) may be toxic, propylene glycol and polypropylene glycol aren't. So I don't think that logic holds, but that is not to say, of course, that Butylene Glycol is non-toxic for sure.