⫸Trans and LGBTQIA+ Discussion⫷

[bird.is.the.word]

So Michelangelo's sculpture David and his painting on the sistine chapel is traumatic to children?

That's exactly what I said.

 

[arrall]

Maybe if my dad had taught me about addiction as a kid instead I could've resisted temptation and been straight edge but instead I was always the opposite.

I think you are really missing the irony here.

Teaching your kids nothing is statistically very likely to result in them not knowing how to engage in safe sex or use a condom. They aren’t going to abstain from sex as teenagers. They’re just going to go about it stupidly and extremely unsafely.

They might not feel comfortable coming to you with any issues they are having, whether that is asking you how to engage in sex safely, entrusting you with the knowledge that they are LGBTQ (in the event that they are, which is a possibility as much as you seem to not want that), or anything else.

You want to be the parent who your kids can call when they fuck up and make a stupid mistake. Not the one that they have to hide the truth from, leading them to both get into bad situations and make those situations worse for themselves in the process of hiding things for you.

You don’t want your kid losing their virginity to some random person at a party without a condom because you never taught them how to do things safely or wait for the right person.

Just because you were taught things a certain way - or rather, not taught certain things at all - doesn’t mean that is the right way. No parent is perfect. Whether your parents were good or bad, you should do what you can to be a better parent to your kids than yours were to you.

 

[nepalnt21]

Lol these people think drag shows for kids is informative and positive, when non subverted people are simply horrified.

why are you making up b.s. about me? please argue with me (and not some scarecrow version of what you imagine me as) if you're gonna summon me here with notifications.

Teaching about any sexual shit to young children as curriculum. The specifics don’t matter, but what ive seen is super creepy. And I don’t consider myself a prude or care what gets people off. Just stop grooming kids with this ideology, I’m good with it in all other places.

ah, that's better.

you don't think we should have sexual education in health class, say maybe for kids as young as 5th or 6th grade? would you rather they learn it from eachother? cause that's what's gonna happen, and it won't be matter- of- fact and it won't be pretty.

kids in middle school when i was in middle school (been a couple decades) were already sexually active. this is not a problem you can just wish away while shielding them from reality.

it's not "grooming" to teach them the medical and biological facts of our species.

imo, they need to know that things have consequences, especially. sex is a big deal, and like it or not... the can of worms is open.

 

[unodelacosa]

Teaching gender ideology as curriculum to kids under 12 is creepy, and the motives are obvious to the non subverted.

Your understanding of "subversion" isn't very accurate. Educating children truthfully on human sexuality is neither creepy nor indicative of philosophical sympathy toward social upheaval. That's too melodramatic; it makes it difficult to respect your opinions subsequently. Accusing people who are ok with educating children on human sexuality before puberty doesn't make a person automatically subversive and this should not be creepy to anyone with a healthy, unindoctrinated view of sex, especially those seeking to prepare their children to be psychologically sound. I think it's better to tackle the subject than leave it to the internet – Tumblr, as you suggested.

There are no "full stop" points in this discussion either. Communication needs to be open at least among adults.

Teaching about any sexual shit to young children as curriculum. The specifics don’t matter, but what ive seen is super creepy. And I don’t consider myself a prude or care what gets people off. Just stop grooming kids with this ideology, I’m good with it in all other places.

Interesting phraseology ☞ "any sexual shit". Also, the specifics do, in fact, matter. And what exactly does "creepy" mean? This sounds like artifacts of your own baggage, no offense. Furthermore "grooming kids" – yeah right, give me a break; you're just trying to pull in language you've heard from the Jeffrey Epstein / Ghislaine Maxwell trials. There's no ideological grooming; don't be so paranoid, and if there were, I would not be okay with it "in all other places". Preparing children for the world they're entering is the whole point of public education. A tactful approach to explaining sexuality to kids who will soon enter puberty is not the extreme you seem to want to paint it as being. Also, gay and trans people exist and are accepted by most of society. Tolerance isn't too much of a request to be made. Patience is a virtue.

Honestly lgbt people are victims, they are just golems to the establishment elites. Either the banks just really cares about the .004% of the population, or they have other motives. Def leaning the latter, but I am pretty jaded.

Okay first off the word you probably mean here is "cynical" (distrustful, believing people are motivated only by self-interest) not "jaded" (tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm).

Secondly, being LGBTQ+ friendly is oftentimes an obnoxiously self-righteous move by corporations suddenly all about this marketing angle. However, it isn't a pander to solely some >1% segment of the population. This panders to a larger audience because the concept is very "on-trend" currently, especially with people who vote and identify as Democrats.

Lastly, your use of the terms "golem" and "establishment elites" hints to me that you're repeating things you've heard others say without fully understanding them or their message. Elites are found on both sides of the aisle and it's not limited to Hollywood liberals, don't fall for that lie… The remark has an anti-Jewish tone to it, which is unfortunate, but I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt here and presume it was unintentional…

 

[Droppersneck]

I get what you're saying but in the context, he uses it as something undert t the control of "the bankers" by which he obviously means "the jews".

sorry for offtopic, but droppersneck never actually engages in discussion but uses every topic to rant about his fringe antisemitic conspiracy believes and it gets old fast.

Wait so all bankers are Jewish? I have zero issues with the Jewish people, its pretty ridiculous to hate an entire people whole clothe. Not a big fan of Israel Though, but that’s a lot of people tbf

 

[Bagseed]

Wait so all bankers are Jewish? I have zero issues with the Jewish people, its pretty ridiculous to hate an entire people whole clothe. Not a big fan of Israel Though, but that’s a lot of people tbf

then why do you constantly link banks, zionism and "the elites"?

seriously you come in here, just to link lgtb activism to "the elites" and banks (no evidence obviously) by calling them "golems" which are creatures from jewish mythology as ck pointed out. you are so obviously antisemite and a conspiracy loon...

 

[lonelyDude]

I almost didn't respond to this for reasons which you are about to see. I decided to post because I wanted to try and provide some insight into people being closed minded on gender and sex issues. I'm the minority on bluelight so I felt obligated to provide the minority opinion.

Everyone wants their family being normal right? I think people just don't want their families force fed alternative lifestyles as ok.

Like I don't want my daughter being exposed to sex at all at her age. I think children get too much exposure to it already. I know I did.

So likewise I don't want her being exposed to deviant sex. Preferably ever, but especially not before she even knows what sex is.

It's a fact that if you teach children that these issues are OK to develop they are more likely to develop these issues than if they are never exposed to the issue to begin with.

Adults get serious sexual traumas from abberrant behaviors. Children much more so.

I don't mean to sound uncompassionate because I do hate that people go through these issues. Please try and understand that people hope to prevent their loved ones from struggling or suffering in this way by asking the people who go through these issues not to make such a big deal about it publicly.

I feel like our whole society would be so much healthier if children were never exposed to any kind of discussion of sex or gender. It's almost impossible to do this though.

Do I personally care if consenting adults do bizarre things? No. I really don't give a fuck who you fuck or how. Just leave me out of it. I avoid SLR because of this. That's my choice. It does me no good to argue about these issues and I am glad that there is a safe and proper place for their discussion.

I'm pretty libertarian when it comes to others privacy and liberty. I expect the very same in return. The very same. You're problem is not my problem or my family's and we shouldn't even have to discuss this really.

I can't make people be straight and would not want to force them. On the flip side they can't tell me that I have to tell my daughter that it's ok to indulge in homosexual, bisexual, or trans behavior. It's none of their business. Just like their shit isn't my business.

The goal is to prevent her even being curious about straight sexual relations for as long as possible. Like hopefully even waiting for marriage.

I was raised that way myself and possibly would have waited for marriage if I hadn't gotten drunk at college and lost my virginity during a blackout at 18 or 19.

My parents tried to be very conservative with me, but didn't go as far as private schools and such. Sometimes I wish they had. I don't think they could've afforded it when I was a kid though.

I often wonder how different life would be with that kind of upbringing. I think I could've avoided all kinds of stupid behaviors, mistakes, and also drugs and alcohol (which I started using very young).

I know as a parent I have that right and my daughter started out in small private Christian schools. Unfortunately since I'm divorced I cannot compel her mom to continue to give her a private education anymore and now she's in public school and will be exposed to everything. Like really I never planned on her going to public school.

I won't keep on. There is more I can say on the issue though.

I am a minority opinion around here on this issue so please keep in mind that I am not trying to be disrespectful. I'm only trying to explain some reasons why people who do not deal with these issues themselves do not wish to deal with these issues.

Nobody is perfect. I'm the only person I know who was taught to believe as a conservative Christian who also uses lots of drugs and alcohol. That's why I'm the minority on bluelight.

My dad told me not to judge people who use drugs occasionally any differently than people who use alcohol occasionally and so I never judged myself for either. Maybe if my dad had taught me about addiction as a kid instead I could've resisted temptation and been straight edge but instead I was always the opposite.

Take that a step further and if I hadn't been exposed to drugs or alcohol until adulthood it would've been much easier to make good decisions. I argue that sexual issues are the same. No exposure to the issue is likely to result in no issues. This is hard to do in our culture and expensive too.

In a way I can empathize with LGBTQ since I am a Christian who uses drugs and alcohol.

Doesn't that sound wrong?

Conservative believing Christians are not supposed to have substance use disorders, right? Kind of like we're all supposed to be straight, right?

But we're not all straight and I still drink and get high anyway. It's all our own choice to deal the consequences. We should all do our best to not judge each other when that is the case.

Sorry, I'm high af on mdma. Hopefully you get my points.

a bit late on reply but wow.

yes yes and yes freedom for all even those who chose not to know about these things.

I think it is far more healthy to not know about sex until later in life unless one is brought up in an environment were it is not sold to the masses like it is to us.

does that mean transgender people ?

that is tough as a person is a person and therefor should be seen as any other person but telling a child what boys and girls are is very different to how some one wished to change

gender.

100% exposure creates more interest (unfortunately that works in our disadvantage as far as drug laws)

nicely put stimsim really not sure what I think of the whole thing other than I am happy to be friends with anyone.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

I have a 6 year old little cousin that all she wants to do it wear short shorts and crop tops…6 fucking years old, now let’s start talking about sex to these kids to, I swear the people about this shit are trying to normalize pedophilia that has to be their end game, watch in 10 years they’ll be saying “well these kids are eudicated on sex so they should be able to make their own desicion” disgusting , absolute filth

 

[unodelacosa]

then why do you constantly link banks, zionism and "the elites"?

@Dropperneck – please don't let this be because of a belief harbored concerning the supposed Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That shit has been debunked.

 

[lonelyDude]

I have a 6 year old little cousin that all she wants to do it wear short shorts and crop tops…6 fucking years old, now let’s start talking about sex to these kids to, I swear the people about this shit are trying to normalize pedophilia that has to be their end game

yep with the way advertising is going I can agree with you there.

then girls end up with image issues and hate them selves or think there better than someone else due to them getting more attention.

its all very unhealthy and based on letting marketing do as it wishes.

but freedom of speech

what can be done without hurting our rights.

 

[Droppersneck]

Your understanding of "subversion" isn't very accurate. Educating children truthfully on human sexuality is neither creepy nor indicative of philosophical sympathy toward social upheaval. That's too melodramatic; it makes it difficult to respect your opinions subsequently. Accusing people who are ok with educating children on human sexuality before puberty doesn't make a person automatically subversive and this should not be creepy to anyone with a healthy, unindoctrinated view of sex, especially those seeking to prepare their children to be psychologically sound. I think it's better to tackle the subject than leave it to the internet – Tumblr, as you suggested.

There are no "full stop" points in this discussion either. Communication needs to be open at least among adults.


Interesting phraseology ☞ "any sexual shit". Also, the specifics do, in fact, matter. And what exactly does "creepy" mean? This sounds like artifacts of your own baggage, no offense. Furthermore "grooming kids" – yeah right, give me a break; you're just trying to pull in language you've heard from the Jeffrey Epstein / Ghislaine Maxwell trials. There's no ideological grooming; don't be so paranoid, and if there were, I would not be okay with it "in all other places". Preparing children for the world they're entering is the whole point of public education. A tactful approach to explaining sexuality to kids who will soon enter puberty is not the extreme you seem to want to paint it as being. Also, gay and trans people exist and are accepted by most of society. Tolerance isn't too much of a request to be made. Patience is a virtue.


Okay first off the word you probably mean here is "cynical" (distrustful, believing people are motivated only by self-interest) not "jaded" (tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm).

Secondly, being LGBTQ+ friendly is oftentimes an obnoxiously self-righteous move by corporations suddenly all about this marketing angle. However, it isn't a pander to solely some >1% segment of the population. This panders to a larger audience because the concept is very "on-trend" currently, especially with people who vote and identify as Democrats.

Lastly, your use of the terms "golem" and "establishment elites" hints to me that you're repeating things you've heard others say without fully understanding them or their message. Elites are found on both sides of the aisle and it's not limited to Hollywood liberals, don't fall for that lie… The remark has an anti-Jewish tone to it, which is unfortunate, but I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt here and presume it was unintentional…

Literally no one minds folks teaching traditional sexual education. perhaps if the internet weren’t around and they weren’t so open about teaching their ideology you guys could get away with it.

 

[unodelacosa]

I have a 6 year old little cousin that all she wants to do it wear short shorts and crop tops…

Oh well shit, why didn't you say so. That's all the proof anyone needs right there. Outlaw the gays! Derrrrrp

There's also a thing called good parenting and setting limits on children's behavior and what is appropriate attire for which situations. A kid wanting to wear fewer clothes in the summer for example is not evidence that the media is influencing their mind with inappropriate sexual innuendo. This is just foolish, fear-based thinking. Use your brain more than this, please.

6 fucking years old, now let’s start talking about sex to these kids to,

Wow, this is not a good way to see things. It doesn't need to be so extreme. There is a certain level of acceptable detail one can supply a child with that does not delve into inappropriateness in accordance with current norms of the past few decades. There's no getting around the fact that we live in the information age with the internet at our fingertips. One extreme would be avoiding the topic, the other extreme would be oversupplying an overdose of TMI. Somewhere in the middle is the right amount.

I swear the people about this shit are trying to normalize pedophilia that has to be their end game

That's not a casual accusation you should make. Associating child abuse with sex education and/or acceptance of gay and trans people is both insulting and ignorant. Please do better than this.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Oh well shit, why didn't you say so. That's all the proof anyone needs right there. Outlaw the gays! Derrrrrp

There's also a thing called good parenting and setting limits on children's behavior and what is appropriate attire for which situations. A kid wanting to wear fewer clothes in the summer for example is not evidence that the media is influencing their mind with inappropriate sexual innuendo. This is just foolish, fear-based thinking. Use your brain more than this, please.

Wow, this is not a good way to see things. It doesn't need to be so extreme. There is a certain level of acceptable detail one can supply a child with that does not delve into inappropriateness in accordance with current norms of the past few decades. There's no getting around the fact that we live in the information age with the internet at our fingertips. One extreme would be avoiding the topic, the other extreme would be oversupplying an overdose of TMI. Somewhere in the middle is the right amount.


That's not a casual accusation you should make. Associating child abuse with sex education and/or acceptance of gay and trans people is both insulting and ignorant. Please do better than this.

There is no need to talk about sex at all with young kids , period , absolute lowest age acceptable would be 13ish maybe and even that’s young, if your for it your prolly silly

 

[unodelacosa]

Literally no one minds folks teaching traditional sexual education. perhaps if the internet weren’t around and they weren’t so open about teaching their ideology you guys could get away with it.

Maybe, and if I had wheels I'd be a wagon. Your point is moot. I think it's better to accept reality rather than stick my head in the sand.

It's not "us versus them", dude. That's just an illusion. I know you want to lump people together into a single target, but there is no "you guys." I don't have kids, and I'm a straight, cisgender, hetero, WASP male. You've got to look beyond the bipartisan veil everyone wants to force on everyone else. There's no us versus them because there is no them.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Maybe, and if I had wheels I'd be a wagon. Your point is moot. I think it's better to accept reality rather than stick my head in the sand.

It's not "us versus them", dude. That's just an illusion. I know you want to lump people together into a single target, but there is no "you guys." I don't have kids, and I'm a straight, cisgender, hetero, WASP male. You've got to look beyond the bipartisan veil everyone wants to force on everyone else. There's no us versus them because there is no them.

Clearly you don’t have kids hahaha but think you know what’s best for kids, you see the problem here ?

 

[Nurse Ratched]

^ I'm going to let you delete the last 7 words of your post please, okay @Las Veghost grower . I get your point about your neice wanting to dress sexy because of what she sees on the internet but calling someone a pervert isn't appropriate. thanks.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

^ I'm going to let you delete the last 7 words of your post please, okay @Las Veghost grower . I get your point about your neice wanting to dress sexy because of what she sees on the internet but calling someone a pervert isn't appropriate. thanks.

Fixed it, but come on it’s fucked up what they trying to teach these kids given all the shit they already see on tv n adds, I truly feel it’s an attempt to normalize pedophilia in the long run

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Fixed it, but come on it’s fucked up what they trying to teach these kids given all the shit they already see on tv n adds, I truly feel it’s an attempt to normalize pedophilia in the long run

I understand. I really do. If I had small children i would also have an opinion.

You're doing fine. And thanks for fixing the post. You know I appreciate it.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

I understand. I really do. If I had small children i would also have an opinion.

You're doing fine. And thanks for fixing the post. You know I appreciate it.

Sorry but all the shit going on with kids just gets me so heated, a subject I didn’t even really think about till I started raising a little girl

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Sorry but all the shit going on with kids just gets me so heated, a subject I didn’t even really think about till I started raising a little girl

You took on a massive role when you stepped up to provide her with a home because her parents were pieces of shit. You did a good thing. A really good thing. All you can do is protect her the best you can. And love her. And realize that all the crap she saw with her biological parents really traumatized her. As she ages it may get much better. I hope so anyway.