⫸Trans and LGBTQIA+ Discussion⫷

[lonelyDude]

Literally no one minds folks teaching traditional sexual education. perhaps if the internet weren’t around and they weren’t so open about teaching their ideology you guys could get away with it.

I thought that was really cute and loved it.

I dont think everyone would think the same but if I had children that is not something I would fear.

as I said I really dont know what to make of the whole thing.

how does a world protect everyones rights when some people wish the right not to have others express them selves in some ways around them

and it is there right to wish this and others wish the right to express them selves how ever they wish with people who do not wish it.

now this might sound like going over to the neighbours and doing so but I mean the internet is open.

what people do is going to be seen there is no stopping it.

truly I think the place to start if people wish to clean things up so to say is with the porn industry and how it is shown openly on the internet.

but that gentleman would be welcome around my family I would think, he showed no signs of sexuality and wore a very nice dress I thought and well.

and teaching kids in school about medical procedures and why when they are getting to higher levels is quite normal as well.

its the sexuality that must be kept out of it if one is not to influence.

the reason is we are using sex to sell to people and kids are very easily influenced.

if you really want to give people freedom of choice it has to not be sold to them and the only way to stop that is to stop

the people who sell the image of sex in the first place.

when straight people see it as norm not to show straight sex everywhere then the same will happen on the other side I think.

but until straight guys are not using xvideos without proof of age I dont think there is much to be done.

carnal knowledge is a click away.

 

[unodelacosa]

There is no need to talk about sex at all with young kids , period , absolute lowest age acceptable would be 13ish maybe and even that’s young, if your for it your prolly a pervert let’s be real

It's very disappointing you would say this. You're only reacting emotionally, and not thinking logically. Don't be an extremist, and don't let your anger and personal outrage bias your outlook on life and trust in the fact that the majority of society is comprised of good people who do not and will not harm children, myself included. I'm not saying someone should be dissecting porn with an instant replay machine in public schools, lol, it's crazy how extreme you assume everything will be. Just calm the fuck down. I'm saying it's not unwise to warn children about the potential of predators and to arm them with knowledge of what's appropriate and what's inappropriate for adults and children to discuss. There is nothing wrong with a child knowing that sex is something reserved for when people are older and that it involves consenting partners touching each other intimately. Details can be filled in as they get older but come on: some girls get their first period when they're 12, and both boys and girls figure their bodies out early sometimes. There's no need of wigging out, making accusations, and casting aspersions at differing opinions. No one here wants children to be abused.

It's a good thing if a child knows not to allow themselves to be isolated with an adult stranger, for example, or any adult beyond their parents/guardians.

Clearly you don’t have kids hahaha but think you know what’s best for kids, you the the problem here ?

Again, just disappointing. I still have a family; let's not try to play that card, ok? I'm gonna cut you a break on all that insulting monkey garbage from earlier and just ask you to try to be a little more open-minded on what people mean by "education". We're on the same side, champ No hard feelings.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

I thought that was really cute and loved it.

I dont think everyone would think the same but if I had children that is not something I would fear.

as I said I really dont know what to make of the whole thing.

how does a world protect everyones rights when some people wish the right not to have others express them selves in some ways around them

and it is there right to wish this and others wish the right to express them selves how ever they wish with people who do not wish it.

now this might sound like going over to the neighbours and doing so but I mean the internet is open.

what people do is going to be seen there is no stopping it.

truly I think the place to start if people wish to clean things up so to say is with the porn industry and how it is shown openly on the internet.

but that gentleman would be welcome around my family I would think, he showed no signs of sexuality and wore a very nice dress I thought and well.

and teaching kids in school about medical procedures and why when they are getting to higher levels is quite normal as well.

its the sexuality that must be kept out of it if one is not to influence.

the reason is we are using sex to sell to people and kids are very easily influenced.

if you really want to give people freedom of choice it has to not be sold to them and the only way to stop that is to stop

the people who sell the image of sex in the first place.

when straight people see it as norm not to show straight sex everywhere then the same will happen on the other side I think.

but until straight guys are not using xvideos without proof of age I dont think there is much to be done.

carnal knowledge is a click away.

Teaching children about sex before puberty should be with the consent of the parents. It is not the duty or responsibility of anyone else. I or you do not get to make that decision for the parents, no matter how "nicely" it is framed. The government doesn't get to decide, teachers don't get to decide. Teachers are paid to teach reading writing and math, not form the child's character..

 

[unodelacosa]

Teaching children about sex before puberty should be with the consent of the parents. It is not the duty or responsibility of anyone else. I or you do not get to make that decision for the parents, no matter how "nicely" it is framed. The government doesn't get to decide, teachers don't get to decide. Teachers are paid to teach reading writing and math, not form the child's character..

Oh yeah I agree with you there. It's pathetic how terrified some people can be when it comes to discussing sex with their children, though. If more parents picked up the slack, the convo might not even have occurred nor been necessary. And again, the hypocrisy of how children are sheltered from sex but allowed to see copious violence without the batting of an eye… this has always kinda blown my mind.

 

[unodelacosa]

Regardless of your take on the topic, a good parent wants what's best for their child. We might not always agree on what that is exactly, but I know that having that intention at heart counts for something that matters. If we don't agree, at least please know that I respect you and I respect all parents of the world who strive to make this world a better place for future generations through their earnest attempts at being the best parents they can be. Good on you, all, and thank you for helping shape society and providing interesting views and thinking points. My hat goes off to you. And now if you'll excuse me, back to my life of enjoying not having those financial vampires known colloquially as "kids" I believe?

EDIT: in all seriousness, I do appreciate parents who give it their best effort. I don't want to give the impression that I'm flippantly dismissive of you, and I would just ask for the same respect in return.

 

[lonelyDude]

Teaching children about sex before puberty should be with the consent of the parents. It is not the duty or responsibility of anyone else. I or you do not get to make that decision for the parents, no matter how "nicely" it is framed. The government doesn't get to decide, teachers don't get to decide. Teachers are paid to teach reading writing and math, not form the child's character..

that is also true.

I did not comment on him teaching about sex and do not know the background of how he came to be with those children.

this is the point of course the parents get to decide thats the equal rights thing.

at school he should be teaching and only teaching that is his job be he in government or not and should be fired if he was not doing his job and had his own agenda.

that looked really setup though as the kids looked like they knew it was coming.

they were not surprised in the slightest so just from the view it did not seem to me to be a seco at work.

but if that was done at a school and the parents did not know yes thats very wrong.

the only thing I would say that he did wrong if it was not a school setting and the parents knew (which it looked like as the kids were not suprised)

he should not have said anything about coming our of the closet.

how to be gay is not needed who he is and that he likes to wear dresses no probs.

its all to do with the sexuality of the thing but it looked setup to me.

I would feel confident though that anything that old doosh said to a kid I could undo very very quickly if I chose.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

It's very disappointing you would say this. You're only reacting emotionally, and not thinking logically. Don't be an extremist, and don't let your anger and personal outrage bias your outlook on life and trust in the fact that the majority of society is comprised of good people who do not and will not harm children, myself included. I'm not saying someone should be dissecting porn with an instant replay machine in public schools, lol, it's crazy how extreme you assume everything will be. Just calm the fuck down. I'm saying it's not unwise to warn children about the potential of predators and to arm them with knowledge of what's appropriate and what's inappropriate for adults and children to discuss. There is nothing wrong with a child knowing that sex is something reserved for when people are older and that it involves consenting partners touching each other intimately. Details can be filled in as they get older but come on: some girls get their first period when they're 12, and both boys and girls figure their bodies out early sometimes. There's no need of wigging out, making accusations, and casting aspersions at differing opinions. No one here wants children to be abused.

It's a good thing if a child knows not to allow themselves to be isolated with an adult stranger, for example, or any adult beyond their parents/guardians.


Again, just disappointing. I still have a family; let's not try to play that card, ok? I'm gonna cut you a break on all that insulting monkey garbage from earlier and just ask you to try to be a little more open-minded on what people mean by "education". We're on the same side, champ No hard feelings.

Well you don’t have or raise kids so with all due respect, you have no clue what your talking about, sex dosent even really exist in a child’s mind, not there, the only thing they know is there is a difference between boys and girls, I know if I ever walked up to someone talking “birds and bees” to my 5 year old niece I would break their jaw…also there is a difference between stranger danger which they already teach and sex education

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Sick world were living in that people actually think this is a appropriate conversation to have with little kids, sick world

 

[unodelacosa]

Well you don’t have or raise kids so with all due respect, you have no clue what your talking about, sex dosent even really exist in a child’s mind, not there, the only thing they know is there is a difference between boys and girls, I know if I ever walked up to someone talking “birds and bees” to my 5 year old niece I would break their jaw

That's a little quick-to-violence, don't you think? You'd be picking up an assault and battery charge. You think this makes you a good parent? This is a terrible example to set, uncivilized and stupid as hell. It's nothing you can excuse by calling me all the "bad guy" names you can think of and hurling accusations when you clearly just don't know how to handle your emotions in this situation and with regards to this subject.

And stop trying to disqualify my opinion with assumptions about my life and experience. Just because I do not currently have any living biological offspring doesn't mean you know everything about me, my past, my experience, and my life in general, nor does it have anything to do with the qualification of my opinion.

Sick world were living in that people actually think this is a appropriate conversation to have with little kids, sick world

Stop reducing things to extremes. There's a reasonable approach that I'm suggesting. You're a little too defensive about other people's intentions. It's concerning how accusational you are about sexual matters. You have some kind of fixation or something? (☜ see how shitty it is making those implications? Nobody likes that, and of course I know you don't have a fixation. Stop making this assumption that I'm a sick person. That's really fucked up and uncalled for, my guy. Just chill with that, ok? I'm out on this thread anyways for now, just try to be more civil, please). P.s. – big-ups on the Alex Grey artwork

 

[Las Veghost grower]

That's a little quick-to-violence, don't you think? You'd be picking up an assault and battery charge. You think this makes you a good parent? This is a terrible example to set, uncivilized and stupid as hell. It's nothing you can excuse by calling me all the "bad guy" names you can think of and hurling accusations when you clearly just don't know how to handle your emotions in this situation and with regards to this subject.

And stop trying to disqualify my opinion with assumptions about my life and experience. Just because I do not currently have any living biological offspring doesn't mean you know everything about me, my past, my experience, and my life in general, nor does it have anything to do with the qualification of my opinion.


Stop reducing things to extremes. There's a reasonable approach that I'm suggesting. You're a little too defensive about other people's intentions. It's concerning how accusational you are about sexual matters. You have some kind of fixation or something? (☜ see how shitty it is making those implications? Nobody likes that, and of course I know you don't have a fixation. Stop making this assumption that I'm a sick person. That's really fucked up and uncalled for, my guy. Just chill with that, ok? I'm out on this thread anyways for now, just try to be more civil, please). P.s. – big-ups on the Alex Grey artwork

Well I think the difference is I’m saying let kids be kids and your saying let’s talk about sex with kids….I think it speaks for itself

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

that is also true.

I did not comment on him teaching about sex and do not know the background of how he came to be with those children.

this is the point of course the parents get to decide thats the equal rights thing.

at school he should be teaching and only teaching that is his job be he in government or not and should be fired if he was not doing his job and had his own agenda.

that looked really setup though as the kids looked like they knew it was coming.

they were not surprised in the slightest so just from the view it did not seem to me to be a seco at work.

but if that was done at a school and the parents did not know yes thats very wrong.

the only thing I would say that he did wrong if it was not a school setting and the parents knew (which it looked like as the kids were not suprised)

he should not have said anything about coming our of the closet.

how to be gay is not needed who he is and that he likes to wear dresses no probs.

its all to do with the sexuality of the thing but it looked setup to me.

I would feel confident though that anything that old doosh said to a kid I could undo very very quickly if I chose.

Children are born in innocence. They are not born with any sense of sexuality, that comes with puberty. Once innocence is taken from a child it cannot be "undone very quickly if you choose".

Those children have had their innocence stolen by adults who do not have the right to talk about sex to prepubescent children. Only the parents have that right. The government or teachers do not have the right to decide that children lose that innocence.

It is theft of a precious state of mind that should be the right of all children. Children should be allowed to be children not used as pawns in a "cultural revolution."

 

[Droppersneck]

I thought that was really cute and loved it.

I dont think everyone would think the same but if I had children that is not something I would fear.

as I said I really dont know what to make of the whole thing.

how does a world protect everyones rights when some people wish the right not to have others express them selves in some ways around them

and it is there right to wish this and others wish the right to express them selves how ever they wish with people who do not wish it.

now this might sound like going over to the neighbours and doing so but I mean the internet is open.

what people do is going to be seen there is no stopping it.

truly I think the place to start if people wish to clean things up so to say is with the porn industry and how it is shown openly on the internet.

but that gentleman would be welcome around my family I would think, he showed no signs of sexuality and wore a very nice dress I thought and well.

and teaching kids in school about medical procedures and why when they are getting to higher levels is quite normal as well.

its the sexuality that must be kept out of it if one is not to influence.

the reason is we are using sex to sell to people and kids are very easily influenced.

if you really want to give people freedom of choice it has to not be sold to them and the only way to stop that is to stop

the people who sell the image of sex in the first place.

when straight people see it as norm not to show straight sex everywhere then the same will happen on the other side I think.

but until straight guys are not using xvideos without proof of age I dont think there is much to be done.

carnal knowledge is a click away.

Gotta abolish the Dept of education, and not allow this stuff to be taught via curriculum. This should be left to the parents to teach if they want, previous sexual education was fine, but drag story hour for five year olds is about indoctrination not tolerance. Just be reasonable and respectful of others‘, it goes both ways IMO. I truly feel for actual trans people and hate seeing the way they are being used by the establishment.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Children are born in innocence. They are not born with any sense of sexuality, that comes with puberty. Once innocence is taken from a child it cannot be "undone very quickly if you choose".

Those children have had their innocence stolen by adults who do not have the right to talk about sex to prepubescent children. Only the parents have that right. The government or teachers do not have the right to decide that children lose that innocence.

It is theft of a precious state of mind that should be the right of all children. Children should be allowed to be children not used as pawns in a "cultural revolution."

Bingo, finally a voice of reason

 

[lonelyDude]

of course

but a man in a dress is not sexuality its clothing

what he said about gay and coming out was.

and for sure they should not be pawns (well said hehe)

all of the knowledge of why that man wished to dress in a dress should not be relieved until

a long long time after mummy or daddy were do I come from.

its using sex to sell thats the problem though not men in dresses.

though now ive spent enough time in court maybe it is the men in dresses that are the problem

 

[unodelacosa]

Well I think the difference is I’m saying let kids be kids and your saying let’s talk about sex with kids….

I'm saying sex is a part of life and as children progressively get older, their parents/legal guardians have a social responsibility to speak appropriately to their children in clueing them in on an as-needed basis that would culminate in a calm, collected "birds and bees" speech around puberty time, when they come of age, if you prefer the euphemism. I'm not suggesting some extreme shit here, just that we not try to ignore any proverbial elephants in the room, and adjust our language in accordance with the size/age of said elephant.

I think it speaks for itself

Res ipsa loquitur indeed.

 

[unodelacosa]

Gotta abolish the Dept of education,

Way too extreme

 

[Las Veghost grower]

I'm saying sex is a part of life and as children progressively get older, their parents/legal guardians have a social responsibility to speak appropriately to their children in clueing them in on an as-needed basis that would culminate in a calm, collected "birds and bees" speech around puberty time, when they come of age, if you prefer the euphemism. I'm not suggesting some extreme shit here, just that we not try to ignore any proverbial elephants in the room, and adjust our language in accordance with the size/age of said elephant.


Res ipsa loquitur indeed.

Maybe we should have started here, but what age do you think is appropriate to start having these talks with children

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

its using sex to sell thats the problem though not men in dresses.

One problem at at time ...

 

[lonelyDude]

"Gotta abolish the Dept of education,"

fuck ye then I wont have to do 3 peoples assignments just to pass.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

"Gotta abolish the Dept of education,"

fuck ye then I wont have to do 3 peoples assignments just to pass.

Sorry but we've been "there" for at least two decades.

What passes for school is actually extended childcare. Teachers don't prepare children for eventual adulthood and shouldering responsibility anymore; now they teach students how they can extend their irresponsible behavior beyond childhood into their adulthood all the way to the grave.