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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

We both know the best course of action would be to drop everything right now and never look back.
But we also both know that it isn't easy.
I too would like to quit opiates forever but a big part of me wants to keep using.
I just love it too much.

It isn't easy but IMO that can not be the excuse not to search for treatments.
Lots of people are making through recovery, when I first thought of stopping MMT, my own doctor said it'd be impossible.
We are what we set our minds to be p,
 
people, should I try heroin? its only the MOST DISTURBING/ADDICTIVE/DEADLY drug on earth. wondering if I should just GIVE IT A SHOT? you know, just TRY IT, thats it. just give it a TRY - ONLY A TRY - thats IT, I PROMISE!

I've been doing/shooting Fent ONLY - only FENT over the last year. but THINKING if I should TRY dope but heard its SOOOOOOOOO CRAZYYYYYYYYY!

so, do you think I should this scary stuff?
 
It's not a good idea. Heroin is highly addictive, destroys our lives and you can't go back on time to undo the damages.

I think you know better than anyone that these promises have absolutely no value whatsoever. It's just like a alcoholic telling he or she will just have that one drink once. It's your life and most of the addicts have said or thought the very same thing at some point. And as a result we loose our dignaty, start to steal, and at some point jail. Addiction to heroin has shown very clearly that you lose the control on things you would normally know how to deal, somewhere in the the past.

I suggest you read some more of this thread and others about recovery and see how harmful it has been to lives. There's no way back and life could be much more worse than it is now. But I have a feeling you already know that.
 
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As a girlfriend and best friend of an on/off heroin addict for 6 years I would never go near the stuff. He was 17 when his older 'friend' showed him how to inject and he fell apart after that. I've tried most things I was at rock bottom when I was smoking crack at 16, but caring for someone you love who is addicted to heroin was the biggest wake up call ever. To be on the outside looking in was the biggest deterent for me. It is nothing to be curious about all that it leads to is pain.
 
I guess your experience sums up everything I wanted to say. I know it's not what OP wants to hear but it's all true and vividly horrific.
 
I am not sure what is what is up with me (maybe im not as into as I think I am) but I love heroin, fentenyl, oxy, and opiode and am always thinking about it however I know when to do it and when not to do it. I have used for about 5 years now but it has only been when I had enough expendable income and had the time to veg but when I needed to I quite (rough) and got a job or went to school or started a business. But I will always enjoy it and will still use it tell I die but I feel llike I have the ability to maintain control. Now I haven't shot. This has been the rule and the number one rule for me, I have grown up with a romantic idea of heroin and love everything about it but I feel like (may be wrong) that if I let myself go 110% into, I would have a hard time coming back. I don't want to say I have more control than others but I do enjoy it but can put it down when needed. Again however I have a lot of friends who fell face first into it and haven't come back either so....I suppose this doesn't help but control it pretty important to me and education.
 
Consider yourself VERY lucky, and don't continue to mess with highly addictive drugs that you don't need! These drugs just haven't hooked you yet. No one is "safe" from physical dependence, sometimes spawning full addiction.

Not everyone was an immediate addict. LOTS of people thought they could take-or-leave-it, quit for months or years with no issues. You never know how your body chemistry will react at any given moment in time or/at a different age. Some become addicted late in life...while they had NO struggles whatsoever in their teens and 20's, they feel and then ACT invincible to the lure of drugs. Be smart. Walk away, if you want what's good for you. Seriously.
 
^^^^^couldn't have said it better. All it takes is the right variables and circumstances and you may find yourself neck deep in hell and sinking fast. I "chipped" before and all it did was keep the obsession for heroin burning. I'm of the opinion that one can never reach their full potential as a man or woman if that drug is on your mind, even in the back of your mind. Please try to get out while you can. And remember, any dose of heroin can be your last. I had a friend that only snorted H maybe twice a year. And the last time he overdosed. Everyone was shocked because we all knew he never shot and was not even close to a regular user.
 
Consider yourself VERY lucky, and don't continue to mess with highly addictive drugs that you don't need! These drugs just haven't hooked you yet. No one is "safe" from physical dependence, sometimes spawning full addiction.

Not everyone was an immediate addict. LOTS of people thought they could take-or-leave-it, quit for months or years with no issues. You never know how your body chemistry will react at any given moment in time or/at a different age. Some become addicted late in life...while they had NO struggles whatsoever in their teens and 20's, they feel and then ACT invincible to the lure of drugs. Be smart. Walk away, if you want what's good for you. Seriously.

Nicely put. True, it's a matter of time. I don't one can last long enough having in mind that heroin is for life.
 
I'm 21 and have been using opiates for about 7 years, beginning with oxy. I always liked opiates but I've never developed a daily habit. In fact I was always able to use fairly infrequently - never more than a few days in a row, and I'd often go months in between using. None of the drugs I ever tried, opiates included, really had the level of appeal to me that I could even see myself becoming addicted them. Then about six month ago, I tried IV heroin for the first time, the exact date was December 31 as a matter of fact. I wasn't partying for New Years or anything like that. I was actually at my girlfriend's uncle's/cousin's house for the holiday, when I stumbled upon a bunch of her cousins insulin syringes that she uses for her diabetes medication. I happened to have some heroin with me at the time, so I decided to shoot it up.

I was kind of nervous about it at first, but I had seen people shoot up it movies and documentaries and stuff, so I felt like I had a pretty good idea of how to do it. I snuck into the bathroom as soon as i could, mixed up a shot of dope, drew it up in the syringe, and found a vein and registered with ease. Seconds later the rush hit me. The light-headedness, the instant euphoria, the sense of relaxation, and that "butterflies in your chest" feeling (so to speak) hit me in seconds. Although I didn't realize it at the time, as soon as I was able to look back on the experience in retrospect, I said to myself, "now I see whats so addictive about heroin, now I understand how someone could become addicted to a drug".

To this day I've been able to fend off addiction, but I'm getting worried; for the first time in my life I feel like I'm truly standing on the precipice of addiction, and I feel scared. I probably use about 2 times a week on average, but sometimes I do binge for awhile, and sometimes I go for a little longer without using. However, I've never used any opiate with this kind of frequency. What's worse is that I often think about it when I'm not on it. I think about the experience of prepping a shot and that final burst of euphoria when the plunger goes down and the rush hits me out of nowhere. I wouldn't really say I crave it or anything, and if I use it for more then two days in a row I develop a desire for sobriety, which I think is a good thing. But I often find the thought of using creeping into my mind at the most random times and intruding on my sober experience of the world.

I really don't know what to do at this point. Part of me wants to stop and part of me wants to keep using. On one level it seems so nice, but at the same time I can't ignore the reality that heroin is one hell of a drug, and life-ruining addiction is a real possibility. It's not that I fear a rapid spiral into addiction, even now I don't think that could ever happen to me. But what I do worry about is the possibility of it slowly creeping up on me. Maybe it'll take six months, maybe a year, maybe three, maybe it never will who knows. If someone out there is reading this and they have any advice or commentary please share it. Its so hard when you don't want to stop using but part of you thinks you should.

Just deciding on a whim to shoot up is insane to me. With no guidance at all? Damn. I had to be coached my first time shooting up (and convinced that I should shoot up, because otherwise I'd be "wasting my dope"...significantly, it was my heroin dealer who said this to me) I know one guy who shot up his first time trying heroin...I always thought that was absolutely nuts. He's the only person I know or have even heard of getting on the needle right out of the gate.

When I was growing up, the idea of shooting heroin, or even just heroin PERIOD was delegated to movies and popular fiction...miserable junkies shooting up in alleys and ghettos...street-level drug addiction, "Basketball Diaries", "Requiem for a Dream", that kind of shit. Now I, as a relatively well-groomed, educated white boy from a middle class family...I and people like me are the new face of IV dope, it seems like. It's so bizarre...when I was growing up heroin was so far removed from my reality, it might've well been something happening in a completely different country.
 
No for trying heroin and definitely no for shooting up on your first time, specially without someone nearby. Well said Burnt Offerings.
People die doing this all the time. For instance, most of us don't realize how small the first dose should be and by shooting up it just increases the risks and the the timing for addiction.

Dealers just need to count on people doing it just once so they have a lifetime contact. The real ones behind the scenes laugh about our ingenuity. People do this without knowing the dangers, that's sad, but after coming here and finding out all about that, it's just silly. Something you'll regret.
 
All I'll say is three years ago, I made a casual joke to a friend that "Yeah man, I'd try heroin if we can't get pills". The next day I was in car driving to do a dope deal. 2 years later, I had lost my: wife, house, kids, family, friends, countless money, others money, goods, cars, jobs, etc. All because of that comment and that first sniff up the nose. I had all the familiar refrains "I'll only use it until it's gone", "I'll just use whenever I want" etc. 2 years later, broke and in jail. And for what? A couple hours of euphoria? It's not worth it.
 
Don't try heroin, you can't go back when you have tried it. I'm 12 days clean, no substitutes and it's living hell for me. I don't know when it will end and I will be ok again. I just don't feel myself and don't feel I ever will. Just want the drug.
 
^ This period you are passing now will get better. Be patient. Try to exercise a little, it's good to have your body produce some endorphin.
You'll feel okay again.
 
The bad part is that if your survive your overdoses (which they happen to every user at some point) and decide you want to get off it....u better have a month or more set aside to be a totally useless sick withdrawing human being....no work. No school nothing except laying in bed feeling awful....most people don't have the luxury to sit in bed doing nothing for a month so you end up on subixone forever and feeling like shut when u doing have it.
 
^ Different DOC.

@Dodger, if you are in real pain you need to look for medical assistance and openly discuss your options. You'll need to learn how deal with a bearable amount of pain and stick to the prescription. Acute pains are usually dealt within a limited amount of time. You can take some mild type of painkillers with non steroidal anti inflammatory. You both have to work out your best options. Tough spot, but you can make through this. We'll do whatever we set our minds to do. Good luck, and keep us posted. In TDS you'll find a lot of threads about recovery -- you should take a look. We can help you through this.

You've never dealt with the medical system. I've had MRI s showing a herniated disc and been bed ridden and only got weak opis....If it wasn't for heroin I probably would have killed myself the pain was so bad.

They won't give the guy Shit unless he's tried surgery already and still in pain.
 
I have thought of trying it after my roxy habit got bigger. Like people say, it's cheaper- but it's a good point I see here that it isn't cheaper once you are really in the grips of heroin addiction. My main reason of thinking of trying it though is the curiosity- what about it is sooo good that people are willing to give up their lives basically for it??? I don't feel that way about roxys. I did give them up though. I'll have 90 days in a few days away from them. I am almost 4 years away from a drink. I do consider myself an alcoholic. I have chronic pain and recent back surgery though. So, the pain confuses me. I started snorting roxys because I felt they weren't working for the pain by mouth. My sober boyfriend caught me doing it and off to rehab I went.... I still struggle with the whole "drug addict" thing. I feel like if I had no pain- sure. Then again, people say someone who isn't an addict, doesn't "snort" pills. Touché. I am on the fence right now actually. I want the roxys back. I don't want the control they had in my life back though. I do take Suboxone now, I take one 8mg strip/day and trying to taper from that now. I also don't understand what makes sub so much better to people than just taking the roxys?? Sub is still an opiate and a very strong one!!! It isn't helping with my pain though the way the roxys did. I don't know what to do. Just talking it out. If anyone has any suggestions I'm open.... I am just so tired of living in physical pain....p.s. Please don't tell me to take NSAIDS because they are crap. I have probably tried every non-narcotic drug there is. I'm barely surviving but am taking Neurontin 300mg BID & Robaxin 500mg as needed right now....

I don't know exactly which back surgery u had....but I had back surgery and had horrible pain both before and months after surgery....today I have no pain....the thing that finally helped me recovery was going on walks ....even though it made me worse at first and I could only do ten minutes....now I can do over an hour twice a day
 
You've never dealt with the medical system. I've had MRI s showing a herniated disc and been bed ridden and only got weak opis....If it wasn't for heroin I probably would have killed myself the pain was so bad.

They won't give the guy Shit unless he's tried surgery already and still in pain.

I don't agree with you. There are medications stronger than morphine or stronger than heroin.

Obviously under medical supervision should have said that but I figured that OP would understand.
Always when talking about medication, specially the ones above.
 
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Drugs don't cause addiction; people themselves cause addiction.
Neither is enough to become addicted. Don't use drugs, don't become addicted. Simple as that.

Fentanyl is one of them. Very safe, strong and will make heroin look like tylenol depending on the dose.
Not meaning to be a smartass here, but that is just fundamentally wrong. Fentanyl and it's analogues are infinitely more dangerous than heroin is. Even pharmaceutical grade gentanyl of a known dosage is much easier to overdose than any other opiate. Just browse the shrine and you will see there is no recreational drug that has a higher chance to cost you your life once it gets into your hands. Heroin is also much better in treating pain in my and many others' experience. That's why it's still legal in some countries to prescribe heroin. It's probably gonna be different for some people, but generally speaking: Heroin, morphine, oxymorphone and hydromorphone are where it's at. Fentanyl is just cheap as fuck and very useful for patients who experience severe constipation on other opiates. However it's important to have morphine or another medication at hand when switching over to fentanyl, since breakthrough pain could become an issue.
 
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