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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

crOOk said:
Neither is enough to become addicted. Don't use drugs, don't become addicted. Simple as that.

Not meaning to be a smartass here, but that is just fundamentally wrong. Fentanyl and it's analogues are infinitely more dangerous than heroin is. Even pharmaceutical grade gentanyl of a known dosage is much easier to overdose than any other opiate. Just browse the shrine and you will see there is no recreational drug that has a higher chance to cost you your life once it gets into your hands. Heroin is also much better in treating pain in my and many others' experience. That's why it's still legal in some countries to prescribe heroin. It's probably gonna be different for some people, but generally speaking: Heroin, morphine, oxymorphone and hydromorphone are where it's at. Fentanyl is just cheap as fuck and very useful for patients who experience severe constipation on other opiates. However it's important to have morphine or another medication at hand when switching over to fentanyl, since breakthrough pain could become an issue.
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It is indeed. Besides much more dangerous and it's not meant to be used in the streets but on a controlled environment.
In rare cases if you have a very serious surgery where it might involve days in the Intensive Care. I though the example about the leg surgery which is a real case made that quite clear.

I write here everyday so sometimes I figure that some posters read more about the thread.
Pharmaceutical drugs were just an example to explain the heroin argument for pain. I should have been more clear on that.
You need to read more about Heroin being allowed in hospitals for medical practices. It's not as simple and definitely not as casual.

Also that doctors should be looking into that. Using heroin to heal your pain is simply finding excuses for the addiction.
What you have said in your first phrase was perfect. I say "this"! That should have been enough to end the debate justifying the use of heroin for pain. Except for the tiny detail it's far from being that simple.

I did not suggest that OP changed to any of those pharmaceutical drugs, perhaps you misunderstood my statement which meant to be merely illustrative.

Like don't self medicate with heroin with the excuse this is best for your daily pains look for doctor and assistance and they will certainly have healthy options.
 
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I do not condone heroin use for self medication at all. Neither did I say in a single word that it's commonly prescribed. It's still has it's uses, e.g. for breakthrough pain in cancer and some cases of palliative care of terminally ill patients.

Nonetheless I do not see heroin as problematic as some people make it out to be. One of the issues why the incidence of addiction is so high is that once you turn to street drugs you are probably already on your best way into a serious opiate addiction. Making that step does mean something. While being prescribed opiates bears a significant risk of turning into abuse, using street drugs is usually already a form of abuse. Since the option of using heroin usually refers to the drug used in the scene my answer would be a major NO without hesitation.
 
A lot of people don't see heroin as problemetic, that's why we have threads like this.

@lucidSdreamr, the medical system can be very chaotic, good luck and take care!
 
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Not really? I don't even know what you are disagreeing with now. The sole reason I replied was to state that Fentanyl is NOT safe as you claimed. It is still fundamentally wrong, no matter how much you disagree on whatever it is you are disagreeing on (I honestly don't even know). There is absolutely no argueing about fentanyl being safe (ludicrous!) and I honestly don't know how you found a way to pull me into this dialogue, since leaving that statement in your post cost you all your credibility in my eyes.
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I thought the same thing once, and eventually did try it...but it took almost 20 years for me to quit. Anyone who hasn't tried it, I wouldn't recommend it.
 
I didn't really understood why you would recommend it. You mean heroin, has it taken 20 years for you to quit it?
Welcome to Bluelight btw!
 
madmike256231 said:
I love heroin
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So do I, even though I've stopped using it. I think part of the curse of addiction is that I will always be deeply in love with it, and miss it all the time. Not just the drug, but everything that goes along with using it, like the erotic thrill I always got from shooting up. I'm clean from dope, but I still have that void. I just feel hollow inside.
 
I would assume that a lot of heroine out there is just some sort of fentanyl and substraight. If a dealer is selling you heroine he obviously doesn't give a shit about you and if you think about it he could kill you at any time just by putting some fucked up shit in your needle. I've never been physically addicted to anything but I've found myself taking dabs a hundred times when I've told myself that I would stop. Trust me if someone like me has trouble keeping his promises about thc consumption, someone who wants to try putting a needle in his or her arm doesn't have a fucking chance in hell of using responsibly. Drugs are bullshit and unless you NEED them for a legitimate medical reason they just decrease your quality of like one hundred fold. Trust me guys the nicest looking drug dealer you know is probably a scumbag, trust me I would know.
 
Everything involving heroin gets complicated at some point. Life will never be the same anymore. These scumbags (dealers) only care about your money or having enough to sustain their addiction.
 
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I'm new to this forum, and I've spent the last few days reading this thread b/c it's very long, but quite enlightening. As someone who just recently quit an 18 year I heroin habit, I would strongly urge anyone thinking about it NEVER to try it. When I first tried it back in 1998, I started out sniffing, and I did that maybe 3x/week for 8 months. Then of course I had to switch to IV, just couldn't resist the temptation. From there I started doing it every day, tried quitting numerous times, which included going on the methadone program twice in less than 10 years. Finally I was in a really bad car accident which ironically had nothing to do with drugs (a deer jumped out in front of me) and I was almost killed. Lots of internal bleeding plus broken right arm and shattered right hip and lower leg. They did several surgeries and put a lot of metal in my leg. Because I was stuck in the hospital for so long, I had to get by with their painkillers, but in a way it was a blessing. I haven't touched H since October 2015, even though I just had my 7th surgery on June 2nd. There have been a lot of complications with my hip; it's been totally replaced and then modified. But now that I'm living with serious chronic pain that requires strong meds, I'm happy to say I get by fine on oxy ir 20 MG 6x/day. If I were still on H, this wouldn't help at all, but thankfully I'm not so it does. So even though the circumstances of my quitting were kind of by default and not a conscious decision, the perspective of time and comparing where my life was then to now...yeah, I'm in worse shape physically but MUCH better shape mentally. I'm so grateful to have that sh*t out of my life that living with all this physical pain and limitations is worth it. It took a long time to realize that between age 22 (when I started ) and now (age 40), I actually stopped living. It's like I was dead inside. It's just amazing to feel alive and part of the world again. So I reiterate: anyone considering trying H because they think they can handle it (like I once did ), DO NOT do it. Because even if it doesn't kill you outright, you'll die inside.
Peace everyone.
 
It's always interesting to hear the experiences from those who's been on the other side. Trying it for the first time is not as fun when you know what you are messing with. And that's what I like about this thread. It allows people to know what can happen to their future. Most addicts don't have this chance. Like you said it doesn't kill you right away it may take years and you really die inside first.

Thanks for your post and welcome to Bluelight. Also good luck with your surgeries, I've also gone through a very similar procedure.
 
Thanks, I'm glad I found this place. I've been so isolated from a lot of people for so long, even over the Internet. I spent maybe 6 years without going on a computer at all, but since I stopped H I actually feel like interacting with people again. Although I'm not totally clean (besides the oxy, I'm also prescribed Klonopin, and I smoke weed now and then ), it's still a huge difference from where I was. Now I feel like I can actually talk to people again. It's unbelievable how isolating a drug like H can be. Anyway, there must be something about H specifically that make people think differently, even before they try it. I recently heard that in parts of Russia and Ukraine, H is so expensive and so hard to get that they've created some bizarre variant of a drug called desomorphine. It's home cooked like meth, but with even worse ingredients, like gasoline, iodine, and industrial drain cleaner, with a codeine base. It's called Krokodil, and it actually rots your body from the inside out. I saw a show about it on TV and looked it up on the Internet...it's just absolutely horrifying. The pictures of people with holes in their limbs so deep you can see bone. It's even more addictive than H, and the w/drawl can not only kill you, it takes about a month to get through. And this is all b/c it's cheaper and easier to get than H. Has anyone else ever heard of this crazy sh*t? I thought I'd seen everything, but this shocked the hell out of me.
 
Indeed, these Krokodil addicts are physically disabled and it's shocking to see what they would do for the next shot. The images of their wounds can be really impressive. It's not that type of poison you ever get healed from its devastating side effects.
 
No..... u shouldnt try heroin!
I started smoking it then snorted it then went IV.
I lived a double life for 15 yrs.... great job (35.00hr)... church on sunday with the kids....
From all outward appearences things were great!
I was superman.... 18 hr workdays wouldnt phase me.
On the other hand..... i was a COMPLETE slave.
I had 3 dealers incase one became indisposed and i bought a piece at a time so as not to b in drug neighborhoods frequently and so i wouldnt run out. ( piece= 25grams=1600.00).
With all the foresight and backup things would STILL go wrong.....
This was sheer PANIC time! Work was NOT an option... family was on hold... priority 1 was get more to function. It literally didnt matter where i had to go or who i had to deal with or what danger i put myself or family in..... in my addiction the dope justified all actions.....
Which ultimately made all my other efforts to appear normal pointless.....
One return trip from san francisco dlr led to a nod at the wheel.... totally my truck... waking up in hospital handuffed to bed to find out im looking at several years in prison for possession and sales of heroin......
Its hard to convince law enforcement 25 grams is personal use.
Did 3 yrs state...lost everything....started usung again after i got a job.... OD'd twice.....
Clean now for 3yrs but its not over.....
If i could go back and never have tried it that would b my wish. I guess one point i want to put out there is..... even tho i wasnt seen by society as a "gutter hype" i was every bit that person when it came down to it.....
All precautions to avoid detection and disruption to my lifestyle didnt mean ANYTHING when i ran out.....
It ruled my life.... PERIOD.
If this sounds attractive..... by all means....
Enslave yourself..... society is running very short on sympathy for heroin addicts...
Choose NO....
Good luck
 
As to the creativity aspect....
Exercise.... especially hardcore....
Produces the same result with only positive side effects
 
Yes. Not to mention falling in love. Know you have such strength in you. Choose NO!
 
All very valid points and, believe me, I hate the thought of using H, but wroth all of these new goldeneye regulations limiting my much needed meds foe chronic pain, I'm left with few options. Is it possible to use in small enough doses to stretch my pain meds?
 
No, unfortunately this would not be impossible imo/e due to so many posts I've read on top of my experience. Heroin is a very addictive drug and at the end you'll find yourself in much worse circumstances. It's just a matter of time until things get out of control, besides it's a dangerous drug and it may kill you even in correct doses. This due to the mixed shit we find anywhere, or not mixed enough.

Getting by with a prescription opiate drug is alredy tough and it requires medical assistance constantly. Sorry about being so straight forward but that's how it works. I am old enough to have seen so many people under similar experiences and once you try it, your pain will be the least of your problems. It's one way ticket to hell. Every thing and anything will circle around your addiction. Your life will be limited to score and get money at all costs to sustain the habit.

Some casual users end up addicted at some point and most people don't think this will happen to them.
Others may disagree because it's a polemic issue as you may have noticed reading this thread. I've also had intense and severe pain. Lost almost 2-3 decades of my life, my family, friends etc. My advice would be for you to stay away while you have an option.

Take care.
 
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