Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

[Ganjcat]

All drugs are problematic if they are abused. if you are smoking pot the moment you get up in the morning until you go to bed you are clearly avoiding dealing with some shit or the other! We need to get past the myth that weed is this harmless wonder drug.

Here here but I can't talk to highly as I used to be one of those "weeds just a plant" or "weed will be legal just as soon as bob Marley becomes president" seriously though I don't think I would have the monkeys on my back that I do if I didn't puff that spliff on the park that day

 

[Ganjcat]

My main concern is that by the time BPD people are desperate enough to start putting heroin up their arm they're not far from deciding just to check out permanently anyway, which could even happen subconsciously "accidentally" and suicidality is a valid concern with BPD people.

And, call me paranoid if you want, I don't trust any government not to do a cost benefit analysis and realise that it's cheaper to kill these people off with punitive drug legislation and lack of support than it is to include them in our brave new world.



So, again, If you watch that video and think "hrmm that does seem rather familiar" Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT fuck about with opiates. The only good that could possibly come of it is that you would find your way into a 12 step support group with other people like yourself and you could do that anyway without the wrenching addiction. Join a porn addiction group or something.

what makes you such as expert?

 

[Ganjcat]

Hey Ganj you seriously saying your relationship with your namesake happened before cigarette smoking and drinking booze?

No.. that's a bit to deap lol I'm just expressing that I no longer see weed as harmless that's, in heinsight maybe a bit to over the top I apologize

 

[Ganjcat]

Hey Ganj you seriously saying your relationship with your namesake happened before cigarette smoking and drinking booze?

No.. that's a bit to deap lol I'm just expressing that I no longer see weed as harmless that's, in heinsight maybe a bit to over the top I apologize

 

[joemidlife]

Here here but I can't talk to highly as I used to be one of those "weeds just a plant" or "weed will be legal just as soon as bob Marley becomes president" seriously though I don't think I would have the monkeys on my back that I do if I didn't puff that spliff on the park that day

My relationship with weed has always been a strange one, I have lost it on pot more than any other drug, but since developing epilepsy it has been a life saver.

 

[Olivia Nicole]

 

[dalpat077]

Compelling video I have to say.

But my attention span was reached at the Cocaine part i.e. need to watch the video again to get the real meaning!

Ironic it comes up this very day when I read who lost their shit over this program and why it caved huh! Yeah. I'm on a mission now!

The one thing that came to my mind though: would I ever have walked away from Cocaine (and in my case alcohol was just part and parcel of the party) had I always had access to cheap (or free) pure Cocaine (and in particular freebase)? There's the conundrum with this. And ironically: after watching this video I get it insofar as opioids are concerned (due to physical dependence). But I can tell you that the very last thing on my mind while Coked up and a bit tipsy (putting it mildly) was going to work or something like that. That's just my observation and thought process on this issue.

And of course: knee jerk reaction while watching initially was to wonder what happened to all of these success stories in the video (given that we're talking 1990s and it was uploaded in 2016 seems like). Answered on the link below (in case somebody misses it i.e. the link is in one of the comments):

The doctor from Wales who slashed crime and drug addiction by giving out heroin

John Marks saw crime rates and junkie numbers plummet in an amazing experiment outlawed by the British government

www.walesonline.co.uk

 

[Ganjcat]

Compelling video I have to say.

But my attention span was reached at the Cocaine part i.e. need to watch the video again to get the real meaning!

Ironic it comes up this very day when I read who lost their shit over this program and why it caved huh! Yeah. I'm on a mission now!

The one thing that came to my mind though: would I ever have walked away from Cocaine (and in my case alcohol was just part and parcel of the party) had I always had access to cheap (or free) pure Cocaine (and in particular freebase)? There's the conundrum with this. And ironically: after watching this video I get it insofar as opioids are concerned (due to physical dependence). But I can tell you that the very last thing on my mind while Coked up and a bit tipsy (putting it mildly) was going to work or something like that. That's just my observation and thought process on this issue.

And of course: knee jerk reaction while watching initially was to wonder what happened to all of these success stories in the video (given that we're talking 1990s and it was uploaded in 2016 seems like). Answered on the link below (in case somebody misses it i.e. the link is in one of the comments):

The doctor from Wales who slashed crime and drug addiction by giving out heroin

John Marks saw crime rates and junkie numbers plummet in an amazing experiment outlawed by the British government

www.walesonline.co.uk

right that's it I'm moving to Wales

 

[Jabberwocky]

I'm baffled by this thread... it's incredibly amusing that with all that's happening around them regarding this shit, ppl still have the audacity to ask...
𝑶𝑭 𝑪𝑶𝑼𝑹𝑺𝑬 𝑵𝑶𝑻, 𝒀𝑶𝑼 𝑫𝑼𝑴𝑩 𝑭𝑼𝑪𝑲

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Will say that I stupidly tried it, but that I indeed did do it just once. Was 15 years ago. This is in no way to promote it. In my mind, it's a disgusting street drug. Don't be like me. No need to do it at all.

 

[menidiatis]

instead of answering this question, I encourage people to check my first threads on heroin, see with what arrogance I was talking about using this drug, as if it is some sort of joke that you can quit any day, like weed or something

and to check my more recent threads, where I beg for advice like a helpless child on how to get off this thing, which has given me the scariest WDs ever a mere 15 hours in (I don't even want to think what day 3 must be like)

and mind you, when I started I wasn't even considering using this responsibly, I knew that eventually this would be my conclusion, and yet somehow judged that it was ok to do this

perhaps the differnece of my early threads and my threads now will help some people reconsider using H

 

[tw9725577]

If ur asking this question. Ur mind is made up.but after 17 yrs on it 6 off save urself the hellish misery

 

[zgzko]

Very little to win and a lot to lose ...
I am 61 years old and I am hooked again (I personally hopefully I would never have tasted it)
Sorry for my bad use of English language

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Absolutely not, it ruins lives and I know many people who thought they could just "try dope once" or use it on weekends the way people smoke pot and the majority became addicted to it.

 

[Nas47]

NO

 

[lovemissile66]

Does addiction run on either side of your family? If yes, then you are playing Russian Roulette. I was supremely naive and romantic about trying dope for the first time. My boyfriend shot me up. Just a little. I didn't get what the big deal was, thought to myself...what a waste of time and money.

Fast Forward a month. That first hit was imprinted in my brain, whether I got off or not. So, the second time I shot up...WHEW BABY! Now I understood. And for about 5 or 6 years I was a rather highly
functioning addict. Until the day comes when you are no longer in control and heroin has the reigns. Your life becomes a living hell. 24/7 hustling, chasing, degrading yourself for that fix.

Because now, without it...your life is shit. You can't do shit. You can't work. Travel. You stop going out, hanging out. You have a new set of unscrupulous friends. You keep telling yourself that it's all under control. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You just fiend and fix. So, remember...once you flip that switch, it's on and over.

 

[lovemissile66]

Ah father I have sinned, I sucked cock once I'm afraid one day I'll be addicted. Can you give me a prayer or maybe some litany that I can possibly obtain absolution

I love cats! Did not know that the IDGAF would be attached. So, no harm intended. Post was very funny.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I am starting to think that i could try this shit. Heroin. I have nothing to lose anymore, and i simply don't care. About myself, my shit, and my well being. And i am not well anyway. Never been, never will be. So why not graduate to heroin? I don't even use any opiates though... But i want relief. Away... From mental pain... Would that not be harm reduction, when everything is fucked up anyway?

 

[Nas47]

Stupid.Buy a weed,kratom or some pills...why to do this?It will makes you bad more.Not smart...even,if all goes to hell.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Stupid.Buy a weed,kratom or some pills...why to do this?It will makes you bad more.Not smart...even,if all goes to hell.

Stupid huh? Where the fuck did i EVER claim that i am anything but stupid? I am the definition of absolutely pure, authentic stupidity.

Been an alcoholic for 25 years. That is not enough anymore, to make the demons shut up. To make me numb enough. Weed? Grew that shit at home for years and years when i was younger. Smoked many grams every single day for years and years. I still smoke occasionally, but i am just a buyer these days. Pills? PILLS? Bought 100x oxazepam 15mg last week. Monday. Gave away 40. Ate the remaining 60 pills and binged beer and the pills were gone when Thursday was here. I have tried basically every drug you can imagine, except heroin. No help. I don't wanna get clean, and i can't get clean. Not smart huh? You talking to me about not smart?

Well, give me some more bright ideas, then, that one you wrote did not work. At all. For fuck's sake yo