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Interesting, do you have any sources for this? I'll check it out myself when I get a chance but I'm not on an actual computer ATM.
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subotai
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ok so I just figured id drop my 2 cents on plugging stamped heroin from the Northeast (Philadelphia specifically) and its pros / cons
I had never really thought to plug heroin as it was far easier to snort, which worked well for the longest time. I can count the number of times I IV'd on one hand, and while it is the ultimate ROA in theory, it is not something I would recommend to someone to do in good conscious and I was never a huge fan of needles. Not to mention, the high wears off much faster and Im not made of money
snort enough drugs though, and you will see why it becomes a nuisance to continue that ROA. And I can deal with the physical symptoms enough I guess, but I couldnt help but feel like I wasn't absorbing the drug as well due to the nasal membranes being worn down for lack of a scientific term.
so I had just been reading about alternate forms of heroin ROAs and honest to god, after seeing someone mention plugging, I felt the urge to use the bathroom. I took it as a sign from god, and took a single stamp , mixed it in with about 3/4ths of an oral syringe's worth of water in a cup, drew it up, lubed it up, got it all the way up there, and slowly pushed in.
it's definitely a weird process, I dont think anyone will deny that. And I remember being so paranoid that some of it would spill out that I stood there with the syringe in my ass for a good 2 minutes. prob went on bl on my phone.
anywho, after taking it out, I went and laid down on my couch for THIRTY MINUTES. Not 10, not 20 , THIRTY. I read about some people not laying down at all and wondering why nothing happens. you have to give it time. You will feel strong tingling starting in your pelvic area and it slowly creeps outwards to the rest of your body. It's hard to describe, but it isn't exactly an un-enjoyable process. Im not sure much of anything about actually doing heroin can be described as "unenjoyable". When you run out though...
After 30 mins its basically the same high as if you had snorted it, maybe takes a teeny bit longer than 30 to kick in but you dont have to keep laying on your side unless you want to.
It is a good alternative to snorting if you cannot do that ROA for w/e reason, but not really comparable to IV
snorting will always be the most convenient, IV will be the strongest, but plugging seems to be a good middle ground for those two.
The main argument against plugging is if you get heroin that can be absorbed with water and you draw it into anything period (whether it be oral or regular syringe), you might as well just IV it.
Which is true if you want the strongest, fastest, and most intense high.
But if you want a snorting type of high, without damaging your nose, plugging fills in quite nicely.
Just remember, make sure you have taken a shit within the past 2 hours, and lay down for at least 30 mins
and if it makes you feel like less of a man for sticking things up your ass, I understand too. It will never be a glamorous ROA, but it does serve a purpose and fill a need for certain people. And if you really want to get into the nitty gritty of stuff, a lot of heroin has been up someone's ass at some point anyway.
Excuse the corny joke here, but that's some real shit.
I had never really thought to plug heroin as it was far easier to snort, which worked well for the longest time. I can count the number of times I IV'd on one hand, and while it is the ultimate ROA in theory, it is not something I would recommend to someone to do in good conscious and I was never a huge fan of needles. Not to mention, the high wears off much faster and Im not made of money
snort enough drugs though, and you will see why it becomes a nuisance to continue that ROA. And I can deal with the physical symptoms enough I guess, but I couldnt help but feel like I wasn't absorbing the drug as well due to the nasal membranes being worn down for lack of a scientific term.
so I had just been reading about alternate forms of heroin ROAs and honest to god, after seeing someone mention plugging, I felt the urge to use the bathroom. I took it as a sign from god, and took a single stamp , mixed it in with about 3/4ths of an oral syringe's worth of water in a cup, drew it up, lubed it up, got it all the way up there, and slowly pushed in.
it's definitely a weird process, I dont think anyone will deny that. And I remember being so paranoid that some of it would spill out that I stood there with the syringe in my ass for a good 2 minutes. prob went on bl on my phone.
anywho, after taking it out, I went and laid down on my couch for THIRTY MINUTES. Not 10, not 20 , THIRTY. I read about some people not laying down at all and wondering why nothing happens. you have to give it time. You will feel strong tingling starting in your pelvic area and it slowly creeps outwards to the rest of your body. It's hard to describe, but it isn't exactly an un-enjoyable process. Im not sure much of anything about actually doing heroin can be described as "unenjoyable". When you run out though...
After 30 mins its basically the same high as if you had snorted it, maybe takes a teeny bit longer than 30 to kick in but you dont have to keep laying on your side unless you want to.
It is a good alternative to snorting if you cannot do that ROA for w/e reason, but not really comparable to IV
snorting will always be the most convenient, IV will be the strongest, but plugging seems to be a good middle ground for those two.
The main argument against plugging is if you get heroin that can be absorbed with water and you draw it into anything period (whether it be oral or regular syringe), you might as well just IV it.
Which is true if you want the strongest, fastest, and most intense high.
But if you want a snorting type of high, without damaging your nose, plugging fills in quite nicely.
Just remember, make sure you have taken a shit within the past 2 hours, and lay down for at least 30 mins
and if it makes you feel like less of a man for sticking things up your ass, I understand too. It will never be a glamorous ROA, but it does serve a purpose and fill a need for certain people. And if you really want to get into the nitty gritty of stuff, a lot of heroin has been up someone's ass at some point anyway.
Excuse the corny joke here, but that's some real shit.
Plugging is (and has been for a few years now) my preferred ROA for almost everything, so I have a great deal of experience with it. IME you did something wrong if it took 30+ minutes to peak. Within 10-15 minutes of plugging a stamp of powder (NYC here) I'd have the full high, at about twice the strength as I would from snorting. Laying down really shouldn't matter, unless you are incontinent it's not gonna leak out. I lay down for a minute or two usually, but I've gotten up right after and never have had any leakage problems.
Don't know if it's been suggested before, but what I found really helpful was to cut a pump soap dispenser's draw tube to about 2 inches and superglue it onto the oral syringe tip. Once this dries use some silicone sealant around where they meet to get a better seal and a stronger bond. This is much thinner than the oral syringe barrel and makes plugging a breeze, you don't even feel it entering. Afterwards use some dish soap and rinse all of the components out and put it away for next time. It really makes plugging ten times easier IMO. I can post a pic of my contraption if anyone is unsure of what I mean.
To the guy asking about plugging Suboxone with a benzo, you definitely can do that, but there's not much to gain by doing that. I have dissolved 2mg of Suboxone in water and 2mg alprazolam in mineral oil and plugged both together, and done both in the same water. One wasn't noticeably better than the other, nor was there any real gain over oral. I did feel like it hit me harder, but I think that was all placebo. I'm not complaining though, free highs made up by my mind are still free highs and fine by me. If you're already plugging Suboxone try crushing up your benzo of choice and throw it into the mix and try it yourself one time, some people swear it feels twice as strong. I don't see how that could be physically possible but don't discount the placebo effect like many do, it's a very powerful thing. Not proud of it but I've sold vitamins as opioids or ecstasy in my teen years and have people told me how great they felt from them. Belief and expectations going in are major factors in a high.
Don't know if it's been suggested before, but what I found really helpful was to cut a pump soap dispenser's draw tube to about 2 inches and superglue it onto the oral syringe tip. Once this dries use some silicone sealant around where they meet to get a better seal and a stronger bond. This is much thinner than the oral syringe barrel and makes plugging a breeze, you don't even feel it entering. Afterwards use some dish soap and rinse all of the components out and put it away for next time. It really makes plugging ten times easier IMO. I can post a pic of my contraption if anyone is unsure of what I mean.
To the guy asking about plugging Suboxone with a benzo, you definitely can do that, but there's not much to gain by doing that. I have dissolved 2mg of Suboxone in water and 2mg alprazolam in mineral oil and plugged both together, and done both in the same water. One wasn't noticeably better than the other, nor was there any real gain over oral. I did feel like it hit me harder, but I think that was all placebo. I'm not complaining though, free highs made up by my mind are still free highs and fine by me. If you're already plugging Suboxone try crushing up your benzo of choice and throw it into the mix and try it yourself one time, some people swear it feels twice as strong. I don't see how that could be physically possible but don't discount the placebo effect like many do, it's a very powerful thing. Not proud of it but I've sold vitamins as opioids or ecstasy in my teen years and have people told me how great they felt from them. Belief and expectations going in are major factors in a high.
Brehumberger
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How do u dissolve the klonopin or even xanax into a soluble solution on order to plug it? And how does it feel? Energy? Tired? Lazy? Calm? Is it true that u plug half ur normal dosage of any drug to feel stronger effects?
Like if ir on 8mg subs. Should u only plug 4mg and the high will be stronger? How long does it take for plugging both the K's and the subs to kick in and to reach the full effects! Last longer?
Like if ir on 8mg subs. Should u only plug 4mg and the high will be stronger? How long does it take for plugging both the K's and the subs to kick in and to reach the full effects! Last longer?
Powder the pill in a shot glass and add 8-9mL of warm water and drop your Suboxone in with it. The benzo will feel pretty much the same as taking it orally, like I said any differences I felt I assume were placebo. With Suboxone, I plug about 2/3 of the sublingual dose I'd take - so 2mg plugged vs 3mg sublingual. When I plugged them together, you feel something pretty much immediately and the Xanax would peak within 5-10 minutes and the Suboxone within 20-30 minutes, and both would wear off somewhat faster than usual.
I plug daily, hydomorphone. I just crush pills in pill crusher and dump into 10ml surge, fill with water and shake shake shake shake shake the shit outta it. I got this attachment from a enema ball and just attach that to the surging and away I go..........
dankplantgrower
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After you plug, how long until the substance has been completely absorbed? I had 12 ounces of malt liquor rectally about 15 minutes ago (severe alcoholic, raw stomach), and Im not feeling anything although Im not sure if its tolerance or not. Id like to get the rest of the 12 ounces from the can up into my system quick enough so that they combine for an actual buzz. Otherwise Im just wasting these $3 cans. I had a BM just before administration so I dont think fecal absorption is important here.
Okay to expel any remaining rectal liquid at the 30 minute mark without wasting the booze absorption?
Edit: Made it to the 35 minute point and couldnt hold the liquid, it was bugging to come out like diarhea. I know some of it absorbed because I got somewhat of a buzz, I could feel the twinges of motor effects in limbs but lacking the "euphoria" I usually get. Like no dopamine/seratonin accompanied the body load. Also my withdrawals are much more mild now than they were last night. I wish I could figure out how those people are getting enough liquid into themselves to OD. I tried with diluted vodka, hardly caught a buzz, and disturbed my rectum substantially. Not that Im trying to OD but obviously theres a proper way to catch a buzz if people are dying from it.
Okay to expel any remaining rectal liquid at the 30 minute mark without wasting the booze absorption?
Edit: Made it to the 35 minute point and couldnt hold the liquid, it was bugging to come out like diarhea. I know some of it absorbed because I got somewhat of a buzz, I could feel the twinges of motor effects in limbs but lacking the "euphoria" I usually get. Like no dopamine/seratonin accompanied the body load. Also my withdrawals are much more mild now than they were last night. I wish I could figure out how those people are getting enough liquid into themselves to OD. I tried with diluted vodka, hardly caught a buzz, and disturbed my rectum substantially. Not that Im trying to OD but obviously theres a proper way to catch a buzz if people are dying from it.
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I'd be interested in finding out about plugging tramadol. After some searching on here for info, I tried plugging tramadol on two different occasions. I think I used too much water the first time. I felt nothing and two days later I passed what looked like most of the tramadol mix right into the toilet. My second try with much less water still didn't do anything but waste a dose.
(I'm currently taking 700-750mg 2-3 times a week. I'd love to keep/get the buzz and maybe lower the dosage I'm consuming).
I saw somewhere on the tramadol mega-thread that someone was plugging hers but I couldn't find a post with details, and that was a 41+ page thread...
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downerhead
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What about perc 10/325s.I'm not really keen on the idea of plugging but I'm going thru my script too fast.Some say it works better,others say not as well,still others say not at all.Can someone with firsthand experience plugging percs give an informed answer please?I normally take 6-8 but up to 10 orally on an empty stomach but was thinking of trying 2 or 3 just crushed up into a powder and mixed with 3ml warmish water since I only have a 3ml oral syrige.Figured I'd put it about halfway up and give it a steady push.Will this work or just be wasting percs?
Just tried plugging for the first time after reading almost every post from this thread.. I'm hoping and guessing I did it right.
I read that some beginners have a hard time knowing how far is too far ect.. I have to use suppositories for diff meds ect, so I pushed Til the tip hit where I usually feel my meds hit (10ml syringe, went to about the 61/2-7 mark). So far so good!! Such a better effect then snorting! Only used 2 pills versus the 4-5 snorting.. Praise The Lord!!
Still waiting for the full effect I guess, but it's been less then 5 min.. So I'll go smoke a cigg and patiently wait
Just wanted to say thank U to everyone for the great advice!! I'm hoping this will help with my prx lasting longer, and being able to get ahead of the pain easier, without the head nod..
I read that some beginners have a hard time knowing how far is too far ect.. I have to use suppositories for diff meds ect, so I pushed Til the tip hit where I usually feel my meds hit (10ml syringe, went to about the 61/2-7 mark). So far so good!! Such a better effect then snorting! Only used 2 pills versus the 4-5 snorting.. Praise The Lord!!
Still waiting for the full effect I guess, but it's been less then 5 min.. So I'll go smoke a cigg and patiently wait
Just wanted to say thank U to everyone for the great advice!! I'm hoping this will help with my prx lasting longer, and being able to get ahead of the pain easier, without the head nod..
^Hold on, you put 12 fl oz of malt liquor up in your rectum. Is that serious?
Well anyway I came here to vouch for plugging H, which does not require 12 oz, but rather about 5-10 mL, room temp water. I actually have been using a 1 mL needleless syringe, because it is so thin it causes virtually no discomfort. I must say it provides a nice rush, better than snorting (my only other method for doing the east cost powder I use, never IV'd so can't compare the rush). I've found the key is not going very deep, just enough so it doesn't leak out, so at least an inch, but no need to go anymore than 3", 1-1/2" is probably optimal. Snorting has been a pain in the ass recently, my nose and lungs are hypersensitve to opis and I need corticosteroids to breath when snorting. So I just want to say I would suggest this method to anyone who doesn't want to pick up a needle and who has issues with snorting. I can't say if it is a reasonable alternative to IVing, but some have claimed so....weaker rush that is slower to come on, not get the 100% BA, but I believe I am getting more than insufflating and its actually quicker and less of a hassle.
Well anyway I came here to vouch for plugging H, which does not require 12 oz, but rather about 5-10 mL, room temp water. I actually have been using a 1 mL needleless syringe, because it is so thin it causes virtually no discomfort. I must say it provides a nice rush, better than snorting (my only other method for doing the east cost powder I use, never IV'd so can't compare the rush). I've found the key is not going very deep, just enough so it doesn't leak out, so at least an inch, but no need to go anymore than 3", 1-1/2" is probably optimal. Snorting has been a pain in the ass recently, my nose and lungs are hypersensitve to opis and I need corticosteroids to breath when snorting. So I just want to say I would suggest this method to anyone who doesn't want to pick up a needle and who has issues with snorting. I can't say if it is a reasonable alternative to IVing, but some have claimed so....weaker rush that is slower to come on, not get the 100% BA, but I believe I am getting more than insufflating and its actually quicker and less of a hassle.
RDP89
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Anyone tried plugging kratom extract?
So I've read this entire thread and like two others on BL, not to mention ones off other sites and a few off reddit.
I am either going to try this is if someone can answer my questions and help guide me, or I am forgoing it all.
I don't think water volume is too much of an issue. If it is, it certainly isn't more important than HOW FAR to stick the syringe. I've plugged maybe 10-15 total and never got high ONCE. This last time, however, I felt a slight onset of a high, it felt great, but it never peaked and was short lived. I think the reason I felt anything at all that time though, was because I didn't stick the syringe all the way in, I stuck it half way in. Some comments in this thread said the syringe should be physically in, just past the sphincter, and that's it. Is this true?
Also, my second question, and probably more Important, because I don't want to die, is how potentially potent is this method? A page or two ago one commenter talked about their experience plugging cocaine and how they kept getting higher and higher... That's scary as hell. My DOA is morphine, and while I take 300mg orally no problem, I don't know what I am ACTUALLY getting because of morphines low bioavailability (so even though I'm taking 300mg worth of pills, because of the BA I'm probably only feeling the effect of about 100mg) and I don't know what morphine acts like when it hits the blood that fast. For all I know IV morphine knocks people out at 2mg. And until i can completely understand the sensation of plugging, I am going to treat it as if I am IVing, to be on the safe side.
An aside: one thing I've learned is people, both online and in real life, can be quite reckless. They will tell others to take this amount, or to just shove it up there, with no precaution that something may go wrong. So I've learned to assume anyone who makes a drug method suggestion is a seasoned professional and can handle it, and I need to be cautious and take a fraction of their recommendation. I'm not trying to offend anyone, it just worries me some of the advice people give others, almost as if they don't consider the person they're helping is completely naive to the drug.
So, I hope I'm not coming off demanding, it's just I've wasted a ton of pills before and even in this thread alone there are a decent amount of conflicting opinions. Anyone out there have experience, information and confidence in a method they would like to share...?
I'm looking at you tricomb
I am either going to try this is if someone can answer my questions and help guide me, or I am forgoing it all.
I don't think water volume is too much of an issue. If it is, it certainly isn't more important than HOW FAR to stick the syringe. I've plugged maybe 10-15 total and never got high ONCE. This last time, however, I felt a slight onset of a high, it felt great, but it never peaked and was short lived. I think the reason I felt anything at all that time though, was because I didn't stick the syringe all the way in, I stuck it half way in. Some comments in this thread said the syringe should be physically in, just past the sphincter, and that's it. Is this true?
Also, my second question, and probably more Important, because I don't want to die, is how potentially potent is this method? A page or two ago one commenter talked about their experience plugging cocaine and how they kept getting higher and higher... That's scary as hell. My DOA is morphine, and while I take 300mg orally no problem, I don't know what I am ACTUALLY getting because of morphines low bioavailability (so even though I'm taking 300mg worth of pills, because of the BA I'm probably only feeling the effect of about 100mg) and I don't know what morphine acts like when it hits the blood that fast. For all I know IV morphine knocks people out at 2mg. And until i can completely understand the sensation of plugging, I am going to treat it as if I am IVing, to be on the safe side.
An aside: one thing I've learned is people, both online and in real life, can be quite reckless. They will tell others to take this amount, or to just shove it up there, with no precaution that something may go wrong. So I've learned to assume anyone who makes a drug method suggestion is a seasoned professional and can handle it, and I need to be cautious and take a fraction of their recommendation. I'm not trying to offend anyone, it just worries me some of the advice people give others, almost as if they don't consider the person they're helping is completely naive to the drug.
So, I hope I'm not coming off demanding, it's just I've wasted a ton of pills before and even in this thread alone there are a decent amount of conflicting opinions. Anyone out there have experience, information and confidence in a method they would like to share...?
I'm looking at you tricomb
phatass
Bluelighter
WORD tricomb, about not goin in too far, and pushing the plunger slowly... sound advice! Works for me with ethylphenidate, way more effeciant especially in duration, but also a higher BA than sublingual for ethylphenidate sublingualed, and no chemical burn under the tongue (snorting th stuff has allways been out of the question for me with EPH)....
Also back in my morphine (and sometimes other strong opiates, i would plug, for highhest next BA when i couldn't hit a vein) i shot loads of subs way back without micron filters, so all my easy veins are / were collapsed, not that i ever had "easy to hit" veins like some... a curse, but more of a blessing i believe.....
Also back in my morphine (and sometimes other strong opiates, i would plug, for highhest next BA when i couldn't hit a vein) i shot loads of subs way back without micron filters, so all my easy veins are / were collapsed, not that i ever had "easy to hit" veins like some... a curse, but more of a blessing i believe.....
Phatass,
Would u say plugging morphone is considerably higher than oral? I'm reading the other plugging mega thread atm and I think a mod said it has the same BA as oral.
Which is it...? Considerably stronger than oral like that person who plugged coke and was insanely high, or same intensity just faster onset?
I don't want to be found dead in my bathroom with a syringe up my ass.
Here's another important question. I've taken 5 100mg ER morphs before. Suppose, because of bioavailability, what I felt was 150mg. If I injected 150mg morphine, is that the same thing? Or is ROA just as important a consideration as BA so as to affect BA in and of itself and make it like a different drug altogether?
Would u say plugging morphone is considerably higher than oral? I'm reading the other plugging mega thread atm and I think a mod said it has the same BA as oral.
Which is it...? Considerably stronger than oral like that person who plugged coke and was insanely high, or same intensity just faster onset?
I don't want to be found dead in my bathroom with a syringe up my ass.
Here's another important question. I've taken 5 100mg ER morphs before. Suppose, because of bioavailability, what I felt was 150mg. If I injected 150mg morphine, is that the same thing? Or is ROA just as important a consideration as BA so as to affect BA in and of itself and make it like a different drug altogether?
I want to plug, but I need to know the appropriate BA difference...
The poster with the blue squeezer said 100%! Even if it's inaccurate, if it feels that different, I would want to ease into that and take a fraction of my usual dose... Then again it was also said morphine has the same oral and rectal BA... If that's the case, I don't see the point in going through this hassle when swallowing the pills will give me the same effect. Allegedly.
I've plugged a good amount of times, each time with 0 success. But now knowing about not pushing the syringe too far, I genuinely think it will work this time. And I'm glad it took this long, because I am aware of how cautious I ought to be when dosing with this ROA. So any help will be appreciated
The poster with the blue squeezer said 100%! Even if it's inaccurate, if it feels that different, I would want to ease into that and take a fraction of my usual dose... Then again it was also said morphine has the same oral and rectal BA... If that's the case, I don't see the point in going through this hassle when swallowing the pills will give me the same effect. Allegedly.
I've plugged a good amount of times, each time with 0 success. But now knowing about not pushing the syringe too far, I genuinely think it will work this time. And I'm glad it took this long, because I am aware of how cautious I ought to be when dosing with this ROA. So any help will be appreciated
phatass
Bluelighter
Well IME, and according to sources i looked at back then (wiki i believe) oral BA was 33% approx, rectal was 40-60%, so not very precise, but still... also plugging morphine will give you a minor "rush" a definate stronger come-up feel than oral dosing.... i felt plugging morphine to be stronger, than oral, with faster onset, a better / more intense high (maybe it was partly placebo,i don't know)
As for 500mg oral ER, i presume, is not the same as 150mg IV hitting you all at once, but if 500mg oral went fine,no nausea, vomiting shortness of breath etc. and other signs of over dosing, you will likely be ok with 150mg IV... However i would suggest starting lower, and working your way up, if you're decided to IV and will do it anyway... if that's the case, might as well "do it right"...
hope this helps a little
be safe, friend.
Why do you want to switch, or try IV? do u suffer from chronic pain?
Nah, I will never IV.
My point was just to try to understand BA across different ROAs. So that if you know you can take 100mg nasally is it the same if you IV. And again, my point is, if you KNOW you are ingesting 100mg nasally AFTER you lose whatever you lose, is it going to be the same IVing (safe dosing wise).
Does that make sense?
My point was just to try to understand BA across different ROAs. So that if you know you can take 100mg nasally is it the same if you IV. And again, my point is, if you KNOW you are ingesting 100mg nasally AFTER you lose whatever you lose, is it going to be the same IVing (safe dosing wise).
Does that make sense?
GoneFrontin
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I booty bumped over the toilet. When I pulled the tube out my butt hole leaked a little.