Meth ⫸Methamphetamine Megathread⫷

[tremours]

so last night night stops by where im staying this guy stops by and offers me an issue, so after finaly hitting, i push it in kind of slowly since it was pretty dark and i wanted to make sure it was in, a couple mins earlier i got a register but it fell out before i could push. Anyways i got almost no euphoria, i tasted the shot kind of a few seconds, but i didnt get any rush. i was just wondering if pusing it slowly did that, i know shooting in foot it takes it a little longer to hit you but i was expecting more than just to wake up, i was a little drunk/stoned. any ideas?

 

[blight12]

Blast, i got excited to see a meth megathread and then realised its iv only. Would it be ok if i ask 1 iv question and then post my volumes of data after? Or do we have a meth megathread, though im guessing it may have been discontinued due to OT, abuse and general chaos. 2 many methheads spoil the cook i guess. Thanks.

 

[Lod]

I have done 3 months of meth almost every day and now i quit it 2 days ago. I'm anxious and little paranoid. When this will come over? I also have benzo addiction and stopped them in same time, can this be caused by benzos also?

Dont get yourself addicted to meth. In beginning it feels harmless, but when you quit it, it becomes a devil.

 

[tricomb]

Don't abruptly discontinue benzodiazepines!!! How severely are you addicted to benzodiazepines, that's much more important than the methamphetamine.

You could be putting yourself at risk for seizures, of course rebound anxiety and paranoia is caused by benzodiazepines, it's explicitly explained in the package inserts and by most competent doctors.

 

[Lod]

I've used 2mg clonazepam about 2 months so addiction may not be severe. Some days i've taken even 4-6mg, but mostly 2mg.

 

[Traylynn]

Would love to see informative page on this subject for sure. People who try this or ask advice need others advice for sure!! First line at 17 began smoking it and at 23 injected. Never have I ever exp anything like it. I loved it!! I took it to the ultimate extreme. Have many experiences that possibly could help others. I do not recommend this drug to anyone, ever! Ive been clean off meth for a lil over 2 yrs now. I'm almost 41 now. Its hard for me to see that this drug is not treated as others are on this site simply because of the devistation it has and is causing worldwide. Education by sharing with one another would definitely be beneficial. I myself have questions for those who happen to have stopped using simply because the rush was better than sex for me, does the dopamine return to normal and I'll have normal pleasures again...idk. Anyway this is my first response not sure how I've done, but definitely my subject...lol. I have shot all other opiates, but only get sick. Therefore no comparison for me!! It was an obvious choice for me!!

 

[40713]

Hey

Sorry if this is a bad/stupid question or anything.. Imma try anyway:

If I were to try inject meth, what would be the best/safest tutorial/guide to follow for safest use? sorry I didnt read all here (will do later), will I find guides in this forum if searching..? Is there a one reckognized way to do it that is described somewhere, or will I be best googling around for different methods picking out parts I think will work best for me?
I love to smoke it, is it really That much different/better when injecting?

Think its a bad idea to try inject by myself thru following guides online? Ive got noone to show me, but it seems easy enough.. If I really really really want, theres a "needle room" in the city where H addicts get help to safely inject by proper nurses/professionals. I COULD go there, but I really really dont wanna.. and prolly wont ever- Id prolly be registered in their system, Im just some stupid kid among many crazy heavy addicts etc..not good but I think thats my only real-life chanse to be shown how to do it properly. But hopefully I should be able to find all the info I need online and that should be safe and very possible right?

Can it be fairly safe injecting alone in secrecy?
My english is poor, Im not sure of the english word for it.. but any approximate idea what I would ask for in the pharmacy to get a working injection-kit? X sized needle, rubbing alcohol cotton .. ? Sorry Im very new to it, just smoking few grams in secrecy alone past months.. curious about smoking vs injection, altho Im nervous about injecting and probably wont do that.. just wondering..

Altho I have a good availability of meth atm and using bit well often lately, its pretty non-existant in my country and kindof a very "exotic"/rare drug. The drug-information etc. dont really know much about smoked/IV use of it at all I think...
Only starting to come reports of seized meth past year(s) now for the first time, but then only in powder (mixed with amph. sulphate I guess?) and not crystal form as I use it to smoke, so I depend on input from people abroad who's more familiar with this drug. Normal amphetamine sulphate is very common here though, and has "always" been, so I can find local info on that in every way..assuming most is similar to meth anyway.

As its uncommon here, is there any extra security measures I should take when using?
I mean if smoething bad happens and I end unconsious or something and medics come, they probably wont think or even believe Ive done crystal meth.. but rather normal amphetamine. Any point in me exposing that it is indeed Methamphetamine I have been using, such as having a note in my pocket with dose & times on..or wont it matter, same effects and treatment as amphetamine sulphate?

For those who tried (amphetamine sulphate) and also tried meth, can anyone give a comparison?? Would I be disappointed if I tried amp. sulphate now after smoking meth many times first, or can the effect be pretty much the same?
MAny physiological differences between these 2 drugs, or everything almost the same?

Also, these ads warning against meth use has reached me too.. Ive seen all the vids, "Montana meth project" etc. Ive looked into most of it. And this surely made me a bit hesitant in using meth, wondering whats so crazy addictive with it (and I had never seen the drug before, was non-existant in my country, I just got mine thru some unusual channels..), and I didnt really plan to use it like this either, by itself. Planned to add some speediness to an MDMA-high some time, if ever needed. That didnt happen tho and Ive just been smoking the meth alone now many times, I like that alot!.. and am a big fan of it, but I think its very much like with cigarettes for me, and something I - if determined- will have no problem discontinuing/giving up some time as I wish. But this may be a bit naive, creeping addiction with lttle/few/none who can use meth "properly" (in a non-abusive manner, I mean), or..

A drug that is fairly common here I am is Heroin (injected), and that I think has a similar reputation as meth- "... not even once!", considered the "big bad wolf", the really bad crazy killer -- after trying meth some timse I think , personally, Im very well in control and think the dangers of meth is strongly exaggerated. I may be naive, not seeeing something, being a new user etc.. but Im wondering if opiates would be similar for me. Ive stayed away from opiates as, to be honest, Im a bit scared of it. Many really nice and smart people around here who ended on the needle all strongly discouraging even trying.. so it has seemed Very stupid to go against this informed and well-meant advice. But I like to thing Im strong-minded/willed, a bit stubborn and a smarter user than most (tho maybe they thought the same some time too huh..).
And Ive been very curious of opiates.. both to be able to have it as a tool in an emergency (pain management or such, or a way to "escape" if I ever needed), and to understand all the talk and hype about it, being able to have some personal experience. Besides "for fun", I can surely see some "useful" things meth could be good to have lying around for, too! Not sure Id manage to only use it just like that though=P


Wanted to ask if anyone who have tried both smoked or IV meth, could compare it to (smoke/IV ?) use of Heroin in terms of addiction. --

If I believe I can control meth use well, may H be the same.. not as "bad" as I thought, exaggerated in my own mind and perhaps "safe" to try/experiement with in a similar way, or am I still being too naive/stupid and missing something and still always better of not touching it anyway, can Heroin really be Alot more addiction than meth? Or impossible to tell; very individual..?


Cos, Ive gotten very curious about opiates lately too, keen on trying that ..thinking as meth whent so fine, surely Ill survive playing with Heroin too yeah?
Ifso I wanna do it properly and inject, hearing its giving a much better high than smoking, altho Id prolly try smoke some my very first time. I was very close buying some tar few days ago... I didnt, though. But as Im so curious/keen on it and theres little holding me back any more, I guess its just a matter of time before I indulge! Considering testing Heroin on meth-comedown some time, possibly helping me sleep aswell then


Also curious on injection of meth for this reason, wondering if it can really be all that much better... besides the economic aspect of having to use less.

I dont like needles.. but Im sure I could stab one in and squeeze it into my system if I think its worth it.. but not even sure where to start to get the equipment Im sure the pharamacist would look a bit weirdly on me when I come in asking for some needle-pack and stuff lol! So I want to appear determined and know exactly what I want and to respond to any possible q I may get, hoping to know most I should before getting that far.

Btw. I use alone, this is like my little secret lol. So places like this will be where I get input/ideas I guess..
If its not all that different from a proper hit when smoking it, then I wont touch needles... but if many say that yeah, its Much better injected and very different too, then Id be very interested in trying just once,or some times
Im hopeful to stay out of addiction though, and should refrain if (apparently decent/well-meaning) people just discourage it.
But as Im first playing with meth... I wouldn't wanna quit it before Ive tried it "properly", and if Im missing out of much with needles then Id surely like to try that too, altho its hard to imagine meth can get much better than it already is



So..... sorry yeah this became a bit long text lol (thanks meth!=P), uh, basicly.. just wanted to compare meth vs amphetamine sulphate in effect, hear if anyone can compare the addictive potential of meth vs heroin and get some input on injection, whether people think its worth it and big differences. ANd possibly some input on my situation, do I seem a bit too naive and on the wrong path or think Ill come out stronger and knowledgable aslong as Ill just keep stubborn,determined and avoid addiction?


Oh 2 more in the end, if anyone know...- is MDMA and/or Viagra both safe for combining with meth? Just wondered! thx again, thx anyway-... sorry the text become so long lol8( bye for now,take care everyone:D

 

[Tryptamino]

^and i thought i rant when i tweak, lol

there are so many questions there and most of that post made absolutely no sense, and im too strung out to read all of it, but I'm gonna try to answer as many questions as possible.

Im not gonna tell you how to inject meth, for several reasons; you said yourself you do not use meth regularly, and if you aren't very tolerant, then IVing a drug is the last thing you want to do. Honestly I wouldn't even smoke it, simply because it seems to result in more adverse effects and compulsive redosing. Insufflation is a good ROA. If you really want the rush and extra bioavailability, rectal meth is basically just IV meth that is less intense and scary, because rectal administration has 99% BA and hits you faster than snorting. Im pretty you sure youre gonna ignore this, but the best way to take meth is simply to eat it.

You're worried about ending up incapacitated and you still want to take it? jeez, well if you do end up facing some danger, I would not hesitate to go to the hospital immediately, and they will obviously give you a drug test to see what drug you've taken, and even if they only thought you were taking amphetamine sulphate, they would probably treat any complications from either drug in the same way, as they are almost identical in effect as far as they need to know, so it doesnt really make a difference as far as the doctors are concerned.

and now you wanna try heroin? first of all, judging by the way youve been talking about meth, I dont think you have very good control over your usage, so trying heroin is not a good idea, especially since you said you hadnt taken opiates or at least in a while, and therefore you would have no tolerance, and trying heroin, and IV heroin at that, with no tolerance would almost certainly lead to an OD. not to mention that heroin is a much more addictive drug for some than meth. if you didnt like meth enough to get addicted, maybe thats cause your brain is wired to like heroin more.

Theres not much of a comparison with the two drugs' addictive properties, but I can say that vaporized/smoked meth is the most addictive substance I have ever touched. more than IV, which doesnt seem to cause compulsive redosing, at least not for me. IV heroin is a close runner up, with a very euphoric rush and high to follow, but it does not typically cause compulsive redosing like meth, but causes dependence, both physical and psychological. many IV heroin addicts say that from their first use, they felt incomplete without it. I didn't feel like that with heroin, but I did get addicted.

like you said, and i dont mean this in an offensive way; you are naive to think that you can ever handle a drug that has been known to make addicts out of even the most stable individuals. I cant handle my meth use. I dont use very often, but if have any shard, there will be no speck that i will not try to ingest. Nobody can "handle" heroin. Even very occasional users still think about their last usage literally until they get their next fix, and if they never get their last fix, then they will think about it for years.

needles are not worth it. smoking isnt even worth it. the only ROAs you should use for meth are oral, rectal and insufflation. If you must use heroin, insufflation is the only way to go, although you probably should not start doing heroin.

amphetamine sulphate differs from meth in its duration of action (amphetamine has half the duration of meth), the intensity of effects (meth has a significantly more pronounced euphoria) and the side effects are very different: amphetamine's side effects are basically limited to depression at the comedown, dry mouth, appetite supression, jaw clenching, slight cardiovascular stress, and insomnia. Meth's side effects include all of amphetamine's side effects (yet more pronounced) as well as nausea, shortness of breath, vascoconstriction, muscle tension, chills, hyperthermia, cold sweats, confusion, severe gastrointestinal discomfort and gas, uncontrollable movement of the mouth often resulting in facial tics, and intensely realistic hallucinations due to sleep deprivation. meth crosses the blood brain barrier much faster than amphetamine, and can be smoked, unlike amphetamine. It's possible to IV amphetamine, but due to the average street purity for amphetamine (30%), it's unadvisable to IV it, even with a tolerance. Meth is safer to IV because it is typically fairly high in purity (average purity on the west coast is around 80%, with some batches being as pure as 98%, according to police drug busts. My meth is very high purity, and I can take desoxyn and and meth in equipotent doses and they will feel identical (my meth is d-meth).

for your last question, yes, they can be mixed without presenting any significant danger, but you will have to lower both your meth dose and your MDMA dose. Viagra is safe, as it's a smooth muscle relaxer and has no CNS or PNS effect from what I was told.

meth and heroin? and youre thinking about getting into needles? youre getting into some heavy shit man, and you're not invincible, so you have to stay safe with this shit if you must continue using these substances. It's already bad enough that your even taking meth and heroin, but IVing is just the last nail in the coffin. It takes some very strong willpower to get off of IV drugs. The only reason I was able to is because i substituted IV with rectal.

jesus that took me a long ass time. next time you make a post like that, please phrase it in a way that is easier to read, and make your own thread rather than dumping it in a megathread.

 

[40713]

^and i thought i rant when i tweak, lol [...]

Whoa, Thanks Alot for good and extensive reply!

Alright, so I guess I can scratch off IV meth of the list then..atleast unless I get a big tolerance from heavy smoking first or such.. and Im hoping not to ever get that far.
I guess Ill put it to it being too hardcore for me, and I got too much to lose for it to be worth that risc and its not a huge "new world" Im missing out on either if smoking already gets me as high as I can be (or very near)

And btw yeah I think Ive very much noticed this compulsive redosing urge, actually Every damn time I smoke- I plan "not smoke longer than 24hours".. but I ALWAYS end up smoking all I have, lol, or till Im strongly hallucination (after days),discolored limbs (freaks me out) and Im really wasted..
I dunno what, meth must be changing my way of thinking somehow as Im unaware/not in control of kinda like this too as I keep redosing as I (before starting) never thought Id do, and felt pretty "determined not to".. or maybe I just have too high thoughts of myself/mental abilities and am actually really weak this way and wouldnt manage to control myself enough when it really comes to it,lol

And thanks for comment on opiates, mostly just reinforces/backs up what Ive heard from other people I believe was nice/well-meaning with their advice (altho it wasnt what I wanted to hear when I wanted to try it lol (Ive still Never tried Heroin btw., or any opiates!)), when they too discouraged any use, and point at possible individual differences (like you said "being wired differently") that Could indeed make me lose the battle against opiates even if meth seems "easy" (so far).. Guess I should really take a hint and stop asking this huh=P, Ive asked this before and get similar reply. So, maybe this was the last time I asked that then! ..and I just needa deal with not knowing how fantastic opiates possibly are, for sake of avoiding the (apparently..) far too likely miseries that can come with such addiction.

And thx for reply to those last ones! Ive mixed with MDMA before just wanted to hear it here too (again?-) to make sure, prolly read it somewhere before, but now I feel much safer and wont hesitate to add a lil MDMA some time then
And good to know about Viagra, just a "for-fun" thing I thought I might try once with meth ( ), happy to hear it should be fairly safe.

You said theres "so many questions there and most of that post made absolutely no sense"-- think this is because of my poor english, or related to meth? Ive actually heard people saying this before when Ive been chatting on meth, ppl saying Im incoherent/messed up and dont undertand after Ive been up a few days atleast, but myself going over the lines it looks fine!! So I guess its meth doing something after I've been on it a while, something Im not noticing myself then.. unless its just my bad english??


Thx again for your reply btw., greatly apprecciated. Guess I should try end here or Ill keep going lol!

Have a good one, guys! l8rs :D

 

[jasper kent]

Curious

I've been a multiple drug user for many years but have only been doing meth regularly for a little over a year now. I enjoy smoking it (mostly the ritual) but find that it's wasteful. I usually plug it, which is very satisfying. When I get some particularly clean stuff (ice?) I sometimes IV it.

Here's my question:
With most IV drugs, I get a big rush followed by a short to moderate plateau and then a rapid comedown. With meth, the rush is good but not as intense as I'd expect. After the shot, I continue to get higher for 30 to 45 minutes. Sometimes I think "Jeezus! I'm glad I didn't do more!" (I never shoot more than 1/16 gram in one dose, usually less)...then I enjoy a plateau for 3 to 6 hours followed by a gradual comedown.

Don't get me wrong-- I'm NOT complaining. I appreciate a long-lasting high over a quickie rush any time. I just don't understand the physiology of IV meth, and I'm curious about it.

What's up?

 

[ThePharmacist25]

Dextroamphetamine Bioavailability

I have searched several times, even for regular Adderall, however I can't find I straight answer. The closest I came to an answer is one guy posted that it was 75% Intranasal and 25% oral.. Can I get some help guys? Obviously IV would be 100%, but would it have to be turned to a freebase? That is what I heard. IDK.. I am lost with this stuff..

Thanks

 

[Tryptamino]

I have searched several times, even for regular Adderall, however I can't find I straight answer. The closest I came to an answer is one guy posted that it was 75% Intranasal and 25% oral.. Can I get some help guys? Obviously IV would be 100%, but would it have to be turned to a freebase? That is what I heard. IDK.. I am lost with this stuff..

Thanks

Is this a meth question? No. You don't post a question about a drug that is not meth in the meth info megathread. Also those percentages are WAY off.

 

[Renz Envy]

Here's my question:
With most IV drugs, I get a big rush followed by a short to moderate plateau and then a rapid comedown. With meth, the rush is good but not as intense as I'd expect. After the shot, I continue to get higher for 30 to 45 minutes. Sometimes I think "Jeezus! I'm glad I didn't do more!" (I never shoot more than 1/16 gram in one dose, usually less)...then I enjoy a plateau for 3 to 6 hours followed by a gradual comedown.

Don't get me wrong-- I'm NOT complaining. I appreciate a long-lasting high over a quickie rush any time. I just don't understand the physiology of IV meth, and I'm curious about it.

What's up?

This happens to everyone as they use meth . It is inevitable that the high will gradually deteriorate.

 

[drlongwodo]

Hey
" altho its hard to imagine meth can get much better than it already is"

Keep it that way, injecting meth will make it worse, not the first time... but the neurotoxic cascade IV meth triggers in the brain will make it impossible to get back to the fun times of meth.



DON'T IV!

 

[drlongwodo]

I would suggest you take some diphenhydramine to keep the histamine levels down, about 75mg and see if that helps at all. They also have topical diphenhydramine cream that you can apply directly to the skin.

I have never used it for this purpose as what you are describing has never happened to me, but you smoked 500mg methamphetamine. I wouldn't expect to get away with that without your body rejecting it in someway. You should really look into safer, less fiendish Routes of Administration, vaporized methamphetamine IMO is just as bad if not worse than IV methamphetamine.

Safer routes include oral dosing, which has a smooth come up and a minor crash, and no insane urges to redose. Also, rectal dosing, 99% bioavailability offers significant advantage over IV and smoking in terms of reduced harm and increased absorbtion, rapid onset, extended duration.

Ideally, you wouldn't consume methamphetamine at all, let alone half a gram in two days. You really need to pump the brakes your body won't put up with this kind of abuse forever.

I snorted half a gram meth in the past 24 hours. Didn't feel like that much.

Either the meth was cut with MSM (hardly felt the burn I felt from first time doing meth) or Meth is deceptively smooth.
I think it's a combination of both.

 

[majicBLUE]

^and i thought i rant when i tweak, lol

there are so many questions there and most of that post made absolutely no sense, and im too strung out to read all of it, but I'm gonna try to answer as many questions as possible.

jesus that took me a long ass time. next time you make a post like that, please phrase it in a way that is easier to read, and make your own thread rather than dumping it in a megathread.

Rofl, just camed into post that. To answer that OP's first question, the guide I used was the same as Afghan Heroin. Drop however much water in it, use whatever filter(micron pref.), draw up, inject. Methamphetamine is pretty water-soluble. But from what I gather of that post, Amphet. Sulphate (is this the same as Adderall or perhaps is it Meth but cooked with Pseudo instead of Ephedrine?) if it's like adderall, from my experience, is not worth IVing but if it's just meth cooked with pseudo then i've had that and it's worth it.

@tricomb, I do about .5-.6 in 24-48 hours between two people.

 

[zero2feind]

Just starred bangin dope about a week ago. Finally used up my left arm and had to hit to the right arm using my left hand. This after being fucked up for five days. Of course I missed and hit a big ass bubble under my skin. Now I have done done stupid shit in my life, but not like this. It was my last hit and it was a thirty minute drive to my dealers house, so I decided to Get it back. I took a 23 gauge needle (not what I would normally use to shoot it up with) and spent about two hours digging around my forearm and trying to such that shit out. At one point I looked up at my buddies and they were silently looking at me in terror. I didn't care I just kept pulling out of my arm. Finally I had about a cup of fluid that included blood and a portion of the gram I had just slammed. Without hesitation I grabbed a clown and filled it to the to and slammed it in my left arm right through the old spots, after another 15 shots of clotted blood and dope, I had it back in my system. Immediately I headed to my dealers and got another ball.

Thus is how fucked up I am after one week of doing meth. I fuckin love it. Good luck everyone who wants to try bangin it, you well never do it any other way

 

[tentram]

^dude, that's just really messed up! you tried sucking back out a missed shot? really? it's not like some free radical floating around in your body; it absorbs into muscle tissue, etc around the area, depending whether it was a subcutaneous or intra-muscular miss. apart from blood and probably plasma i don't know what the fuck you sucked out but it sure as fuck wasn't meth. how is your arm after digging it out like that?

i tawt a saw a tweaker @ bl. i deed i deed.

you tweakers lol. so glad i'm not addicted to IVing meth anymore.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

Just starred bangin dope about a week ago. Finally used up my left arm and had to hit to the right arm using my left hand. This after being fucked up for five days. Of course I missed and hit a big ass bubble under my skin. Now I have done done stupid shit in my life, but not like this. It was my last hit and it was a thirty minute drive to my dealers house, so I decided to Get it back. I took a 23 gauge needle (not what I would normally use to shoot it up with) and spent about two hours digging around my forearm and trying to such that shit out. At one point I looked up at my buddies and they were silently looking at me in terror. I didn't care I just kept pulling out of my arm. Finally I had about a cup of fluid that included blood and a portion of the gram I had just slammed. Without hesitation I grabbed a clown and filled it to the to and slammed it in my left arm right through the old spots, after another 15 shots of clotted blood and dope, I had it back in my system. Immediately I headed to my dealers and got another ball.

Thus is how fucked up I am after one week of doing meth. I fuckin love it. Good luck everyone who wants to try bangin it, you well never do it any other way

dude,Seriously that is Very disgustingly disturbing to read. I'm not trying to preach but get some help...If you just said you sucked out a pus-filled math mass and reshot in the same area, check yourself in a rehab. That's really morbid and very very dangerous. Sticking a needle in your arm and sucking blood out sounds absolutely self destructive to the fullest. I guess I am preaching but fuck that's awful and makes me cringe.

 

[InvisibleEye]

Just starred bangin dope about a week ago. Finally used up my left arm and had to hit to the right arm using my left hand. This after being fucked up for five days. Of course I missed and hit a big ass bubble under my skin. Now I have done done stupid shit in my life, but not like this. It was my last hit and it was a thirty minute drive to my dealers house, so I decided to Get it back. I took a 23 gauge needle (not what I would normally use to shoot it up with) and spent about two hours digging around my forearm and trying to such that shit out. At one point I looked up at my buddies and they were silently looking at me in terror. I didn't care I just kept pulling out of my arm. Finally I had about a cup of fluid that included blood and a portion of the gram I had just slammed. Without hesitation I grabbed a clown and filled it to the to and slammed it in my left arm right through the old spots, after another 15 shots of clotted blood and dope, I had it back in my system. Immediately I headed to my dealers and got another ball.

Thus is how fucked up I am after one week of doing meth. I fuckin love it. Good luck everyone who wants to try bangin it, you well never do it any other way

Hope you're ok... As tentram said, it is totally useless to even try to 'suck out' a missed shot, you will never recover it anyway. Don't try this again.