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Esperighanto said:
I've got this section in a book I'm working on (working title is "Tactful Relationships With Drugs") about how unique I find the intersection of hallucinogens and horror films as a tool for exploring the nature of catharsis and continuing to live with a smile on your face in a world so deadset on turning it into a frown.
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I don't know at which point your book project is, but I am about it. Can you tell us more?

Esperighanto said:
Growing cacti is a fantastic hobby, I'm glad you're picking it up! If you get into Lophophoras at any point, don't sleep on diffusa, fricii alberto-vojtechii or koehresii as they all contribute a fascinating ensemble effect to williamsii/other phenethylamines, but are also fascinatingly unique and high quality stimulants when taken on their own imo. I hope you also find the opportunity to contribute experiential and cultivation reports to help, community driven citizen science is something that we all (collectively, as humans) should be hopping on more and more. If you're interested in it, let me know and I'll try to figure out how to get a thread up for people running experiments so we can try to do some genuine data collection.
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Yeah I thought about growing different lophophora species! I am curious about the alkaloids in it, but I am also a cactus lover so it could expand my collection!

My plan is to grow lophophora and aztekium from seeds, even if they are slow grower, and one or two trichocereus. But as I live in a flat I don't have that much space right now.

About the contribution to the community, I would be glad to share my experiments in due time. I will let you know when I start this growing project. Also I have many others growing project (medicinal and psychoactive materials), such as Salvia Divinorium, passionflower and maybe DMT-containing plants. But I have to dive in which plants are available in my country, and which will thrive in the mediterranean climate!
 
Khacorrat said:
My plan is to grow lophophora and aztekium from seeds,
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Very cool.

It will take you 10 years from seeding to harvesting lophs IME, unless you graft and I dont think thats your plan.
I respect the plan very much but i would start sooner than later.

You can always harvest earlier, but I want my cacti to be so athletic, that when I take a cutting, the rootstock just gonna reshoot..

I love cacti a lot, if i had a family id pass them down
 
Didgital said:
Very cool.

It will take you 10 years from seeding to harvesting lophs IME, unless you graft and I dont think thats your plan.
I respect the plan very much but i would start sooner than later.

You can always harvest earlier, but I want my cacti to be so athletic, that when I take a cutting, the rootstock just gonna reshoot..

I love cacti a lot, if i had a family id pass them down
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Thanks!

Yeah, my first objective is to let them grow on their own, and maybe if I have a sufficient number of cacti, maybe I will try to do some grafting. But I have the time before I'm here, and I really find appealing the idea of growing it on its own and maybe one day on a special occasion harvest it.

I saw you successfully grow some Trichocereus. Do you grow them inside or outside?

Yeah I see your point! Yesterday, I compared it to the art of bonsai but with an other kind of plants
 
Khacorrat said:
Thanks!

Yeah, my first objective is to let them grow on their own, and maybe if I have a sufficient number of cacti, maybe I will try to do some grafting. But I have the time before I'm here, and I really find appealing the idea of growing it on its own and maybe one day on a special occasion harvest it.

I saw you successfully grow some Trichocereus. Do you grow them inside or outside?

Yeah I see your point! Yesterday, I compared it to the art of bonsai but with an other kind of plants
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Outside and then I winter them in a closet. Sorta wish I lived in a place like Socal where you can literally plant em in the ground. I feel like my cacti would be like 7 ft tall.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Do you use UV lights in the closet?
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Nah a buddy of mine does and his look ok. When I say I winter them, I mean by putting in complete dark generally in a cooler temp basically makes the cacti go to sleep and stop growing. This prevents etiolation (where the cacti grows skinny then fat skinny fat and resembles an hourglass. I prefer to avoid it for aesthetics though it does occur in nature. That's actually their primary way of propagating is a big wind comes thru, breaks the cacti at a weak point, and the broken piece that falls to the ground roots and starts a new colony..
 
Didgital said:
Nah a buddy of mine does and his look ok. When I say I winter them, I mean by putting in complete dark generally in a cooler temp basically makes the cacti go to sleep and stop growing. This prevents etiolation (where the cacti grows skinny then fat skinny fat and resembles an hourglass. I prefer to avoid it for aesthetics though it does occur in nature. That's actually their primary way of propagating is a big wind comes thru, breaks the cacti at a weak point, and the broken piece that falls to the ground roots and starts a new colony..
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Really? Damn that's crazy! I knew they could go in dormancy for winter (like other cacti), but I didn't knew they can stay in a closet for a few months.


Didgital said:
Outside and then I winter them in a closet. Sorta wish I lived in a place like Socal where you can literally plant em in the ground. I feel like my cacti would be like 7 ft tall.
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Yeah, always when I see pics of Trichocereus in the wild in Socal... it's crazy how they could grow so fast. I think the mediterannean climate will treat them well. And hopefully as well as Socal! Wait and see for now
 
Khacorrat said:
Really? Damn that's crazy! I knew they could go in dormancy for winter (like other cacti), but I didn't knew they can stay in a closet for a few months.



Yeah, always when I see pics of Trichocereus in the wild in Socal... it's crazy how they could grow so fast. I think the mediterannean climate will treat them well. And hopefully as well as Socal! Wait and see for now
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I used to live in southern Ecuador, not terribly uncommon to see 20 ft or even 30 footers. Hell not too many people can say they've climbed a San Pedro but I can lol. I only made it 10 ft tho.

The biggest one I saw was actually in the forest, and it was directly under a Anadenanthera colubrina tree which is also psychedelic. But no, this thing was mainly in the shade is what was surprising.
 
Khacorrat said:
Really? Damn that's crazy! I knew they could go in dormancy for winter (like other cacti), but I didn't knew they can stay in a closet for a few months.
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I had a piece of san pedro (or peruvian torch) that I forgot about and left on top of a book shelf for 1.5 yrs, not in any soil or anything and obviously no water. When I found it it was a little shrivelled up but still green and viable-looking, and it had sprouted a lot of roots out the side. I put it on some soil and gave it water and it rooted and started growing again. They are very hardy plants!
 
Khacorrat said:
Can you tell us more?
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Yeah I have been asked for things like instructions on laying blotter, trip reports, general questions about psychedelia and psychonautics to the extent where I'm just trying to summarize everything into one cohesive piece as to avoid unnecesarily redundant information, if that makes sense. It's all going to be published online for free, information deserves to be free, I'll die on that hill. It'll also be on peer-to-peer networks in case anyone here's that kind of weirdo like I am.
Khacorrat said:
Yeah I thought about growing different lophophora species! I am curious about the alkaloids in it, but I am also a cactus lover so it could expand my collection!

My plan is to grow lophophora and aztekium from seeds, even if they are slow grower, and one or two trichocereus. But as I live in a flat I don't have that much space right now.

About the contribution to the community, I would be glad to share my experiments in due time. I will let you know when I start this growing project. Also I have many others growing project (medicinal and psychoactive materials), such as Salvia Divinorium, passionflower and maybe DMT-containing plants. But I have to dive in which plants are available in my country, and which will thrive in the mediterranean climate!
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You should check out some of the peer reviewed papers about non-traditional Lophophora species' phytochemistries, and also keep a dessicated (amber vial) sample of everything you grow and consume for later analysis btw. Sorry I'm typing somewhat poorly rn, just bumped 15mg of 2C-B since it's its 51st birthday today.
 
Didgital said:
I used to live in southern Ecuador, not terribly uncommon to see 20 ft or even 30 footers. Hell not too many people can say they've climbed a San Pedro but I can lol. I only made it 10 ft tho.

The biggest one I saw was actually in the forest, and it was directly under a Anadenanthera colubrina tree which is also psychedelic. But no, this thing was mainly in the shade is what was surprising.
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Sounds crazy! Even 10 ft "only" is a really good performance 🤣
Before even thinking about climbing one, I would love to see some in the wild! But there is not so much san pedro around here.

It's interesting that it grows even in the shade of this tree. I will take a look about it to learn more about the growing conditions of this specific species.
perpetualdawn said:
I had a piece of san pedro (or peruvian torch) that I forgot about and left on top of a book shelf for 1.5 yrs, not in any soil or anything and obviously no water. When I found it it was a little shrivelled up but still green and viable-looking, and it had sprouted a lot of roots out the side. I put it on some soil and gave it water and it rooted and started growing again. They are very hardy plants!
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Damn! The more I learn, the more I find cacti fascinating. They really are tough plants, what you said is crazy! It reminds me of a spider (eresus walckenaeri), I haven't seen mine in like 6 months but keep feeding it without knowing if it's still alive or not. And yes it was
Really, nature is fascinating in it's way

Esperighanto said:
Yeah I have been asked for things like instructions on laying blotter, trip reports, general questions about psychedelia and psychonautics to the extent where I'm just trying to summarize everything into one cohesive piece as to avoid unnecesarily redundant information, if that makes sense. It's all going to be published online for free, information deserves to be free, I'll die on that hill. It'll also be on peer-to-peer networks in case anyone here's that kind of weirdo like I am.
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Nice! It sounds very interesting and it will cover a lot of topics. I'm excited to read it once you publish it!
Esperighanto said:
You should check out some of the peer reviewed papers about non-traditional Lophophora species' phytochemistries, and also keep a dessicated (amber vial) sample of everything you grow and consume for later analysis btw.
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Yes that's a good starting point! I didn't knew there was paper about the other loph species. I will read them before ordering seeds...

Sure! I plan to keep tracks of the whole process, from sowing to extracting/consumption. I will applicate this to all the medicinal/psychoactive plants.
 
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